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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Nov 3, 2012 8:59:31 GMT -5
They should of kept the belt in Zero-One when they had the chance But wouldn't that have involved keeping the belt on Sheik, who prompted a general reaction of "Who?" when they put the belt on him, and then apparently tried to skip out on an agreed upon booking? Doesn't really sound like a great option either.
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Post by notasmark on Nov 3, 2012 10:57:48 GMT -5
They should of kept the belt in Zero-One when they had the chance But wouldn't that have involved keeping the belt on Sheik, who prompted a general reaction of "Who?" when they put the belt on him, and then apparently tried to skip out on an agreed upon booking? Doesn't really sound like a great option either. The story goes that NWA said Sheik would be at a show but Sheik was on tour in Japan on the day, The NWA never paid Sheik for th e date so Zero 1 got him confirmed before. Adam Pearce was meant to win the title that day though and the powers that be were pissed about Sheik not being around so simply stripped him of the title. From that they lost the NWA Florida promotion (One of the better NWA promotions at the time) and Zero 1 (Probably the best at the time) They also lost Craig Classic who was defending the NWA Junior Heavyweight Title in Japan for Zero 1 and I believe he even got a booking in Mexico to defend it. So instead of Kouraken Hall events featuring matches like Sheik/Tanaka for the NWA World Heavyweight Title (Which would of been an amazing match) we're now stuck with Damien Wayne Vs Kahagas As it stands now Zero 1 franchises make thousands of dollars by holding try outs to go to Zero 1 in Japan (About 250 bucks a try out) with the Zero 1 deal guys like Kahagas, Damien Wayne, Chance Prophet etc could of gone to Japan and at least had a little bit of star power amongst the Japanese wrestling fans and internet wrestling smarks but they ruined that. A Zero 1 guy as champion would of been a massive deal though. Imagine a 6 month Masato Tanaka run as champion. Good lord.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 3, 2012 13:49:41 GMT -5
Masato Tanka would have been a great choice as Champion. Hell, if Mike Mondo was healed up from injury, he would have been a great choice as well. A relatively known talent, pretty much shed the Spirit Squad gimmick like Dolph Ziggler, and a great wrestler. What a perfect choice. Not only that, but maybe he could come into ROH and defend the belt during a few shots. ROH seems to want to push Mondo, why not have Mondo get an outside belt and do some title defences in ROH, build him up a bit more.
Hell, Raven at this point would have been a better choice. At least he could put somebody over and make them a bit bigger.
I would have put the belt on Tony Nese of all the guys in the tournament, he seemed like the most talented one. But yeah, I never heard of this guy. Not that that's a bad thing, a lot of people never heard of many great indy wrestlers. But an odd swerve.
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Post by Mister Yummy on Nov 3, 2012 22:07:48 GMT -5
I'm SO SICK of the NWA hotshotting around their World Title to guys who don't care about it or deserve it. Can we PLEASE get someone who helt the title pre-2007 to have a nice long run with it and get some meaning back to the thing. Even I'm about to drop recognition of the thing for the way the Alliance has handled it for the last 5 years. And I've had it as a world title the whole time. Even in 1994.
Give it to Severn again or something. Put it on a random TNA guy. I DON'T CARE! Just stop hotshotting it around the territories.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 3, 2012 22:13:51 GMT -5
Honestly? They should have just given it to David Arquette. Instant publicity and the NWA name is at least somewhat relevant again, even if it is for a ridiculous reason.
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Post by kamero00 on Nov 3, 2012 23:25:26 GMT -5
With all that has happened, that title has truly never meant less.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Nov 4, 2012 0:37:40 GMT -5
With all that has happened, that title has truly never meant less. I don't know, the Mike Rapada era has to up there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 0:54:30 GMT -5
In the tradition of the Mike Rapadas. And the Gary Steeles. And the fake Sheiks. And they..... can all.... kiss.... my.... ass!
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 4, 2012 2:09:51 GMT -5
i don't know why people are crapping on this. Kahagas winning the NWA World Heavyweight Championship in front of 220 people in a high school gym in some random town in New Jersey, how could that possibly be a huge step down from the days of Flair, Race, Steamboat, etc?
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Post by Jeremy on Nov 4, 2012 2:22:39 GMT -5
Just put the belt back on Pearce.
Sneak into his house and force it into his possesion.
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Post by The Sam on Nov 4, 2012 3:03:52 GMT -5
Just put the belt back on Pearce. Sneak into his house and force it into his possesion. It'll be like that scene in The Godfather when the guy pulls the sheets off and finds the horse head in his bed.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 4, 2012 7:40:56 GMT -5
it sounds to me like if NWA wants to be anything then for at least a little while it needs to be a promotion, not an alliance.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Nov 4, 2012 8:30:58 GMT -5
I still don't understand the Pearce / cabana deal.
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Post by notasmark on Nov 4, 2012 9:43:05 GMT -5
Just put the belt back on Pearce. Sneak into his house and force it into his possesion. That'd be a pretty funny web show. Adam Pearce (Or Colt Cabana) trying to leave behind the NWA because he feels it's old and him constantly coming across the belt in random ways. Taking his washing off the clothes line, NWA Title hanging on it. Goes home drunk from the pub with a girl, wakes up the next morning with the NWA Title, Tries to make himself dinner and opens up the Fridge and just the NWA World Heavyweight Title sitting there. Would be hilarious in my opinion. I still don't understand the Pearce / cabana deal. Basically they were main stays of the NWA Hollywood promotion based in California and had a loyalty to Dave Marquez (Pearce had more loyalty for Marquez than Cabana) Marquez organised this best of seven series which was a pretty good feud that went through multiple NWA Territories and whilst not having a great back story it was better than what's being served up today. Pearce tied the series up in the USA with a small Australian promotion called NWA Warzone being able to host the World Heavyweight Title match and the 7th match. In theory this would be good for the new NWA Australian affiliate and might of been something that could of sold internationally on DVD (At least to your hardcore NWA Fans) A week before the event the NWA Board of Directors cancelled the NWA World Heavyweight Title match to be held in NWA Warzone so the promotion and Cabana/Pearce were completely screwed. Adam Pearce did manage a successful title defense in Australia against some local Australian Wrestler but everyone was excited for the title change that was expected for NWA Warzone. The night came and Pearce/Cabana/Warzone feeling screwed turned their back on the NWA live in the ring and said the NWA sucked and was old. The NWA got all this attention online and decided to prove to Cabana and Pearce that the NWA doesn't suck by having a match between 7 nobodies and a TNA guy to decide the new champion. On the night when the final two wrestlers were in the ring a man doing a Great Muta rip off gimmick did a run in and won the title despite never being in the match (Kahagas) Apparently he won the title because he can fly anywhere in the United States for free and having a champion that can travel is better than having a quality champion that will draw money and sell merchandise. Ladies and Gentlemen, The National Wrestling Alliance for you all.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 4, 2012 16:05:52 GMT -5
Basically they were main stays of the NWA Hollywood promotion based in California and had a loyalty to Dave Marquez (Pearce had more loyalty for Marquez than Cabana) Marquez organised this best of seven series which was a pretty good feud that went through multiple NWA Territories and whilst not having a great back story it was better than what's being served up today. Pearce tied the series up in the USA with a small Australian promotion called NWA Warzone being able to host the World Heavyweight Title match and the 7th match. In theory this would be good for the new NWA Australian affiliate and might of been something that could of sold internationally on DVD (At least to your hardcore NWA Fans) A week before the event the NWA Board of Directors cancelled the NWA World Heavyweight Title match to be held in NWA Warzone so the promotion and Cabana/Pearce were completely screwed. Adam Pearce did manage a successful title defense in Australia against some local Australian Wrestler but everyone was excited for the title change that was expected for NWA Warzone. The night came and Pearce/Cabana/Warzone feeling screwed turned their back on the NWA live in the ring and said the NWA sucked and was old. The NWA got all this attention online and decided to prove to Cabana and Pearce that the NWA doesn't suck by having a match between 7 nobodies and a TNA guy to decide the new champion. On the night when the final two wrestlers were in the ring a man doing a Great Muta rip off gimmick did a run in and won the title despite never being in the match (Kahagas) Apparently he won the title because he can fly anywhere in the United States for free and having a champion that can travel is better than having a quality champion that will draw money and sell merchandise. Ladies and Gentlemen, The National Wrestling Alliance for you all. Just a couple of things; the NWA had no problem about the belt defended in Australia. Their problem was that promotion's check never cleared. No pay, no play. Tony Nese isn't part of TNA so he's back being a nobody again. Then again he was a nobody in TNA. Sad but true. And let us not fool ourselves that the NWA the last few decades is considered an elite promotion. They don't have the top wrestlers anymore. They aren't buzz worthy unless a coup for ownership or someone throwing down the title. Only people who still care about the NWA title are the ones who remember the glory days and want to have some form of connections with that. Because even if Cabana was recognized as champ, whose next for him to defend against? Pearce? Some random Japanese midcarder? Nobody even realized the tag titles haven't been defended in a year. It's time to take Ol' Yeller behind the barn and end its suffering.
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Post by skulldouggory on Nov 4, 2012 16:24:15 GMT -5
I remember when Cabana won the title for the first time, he wasn't that stoked about it, everyone was thrilled. but colt just was kind of "meh". It's almost a step back for anyone to hold the belt. Yeah you have the same belt as Race, Funk & Flair. But it also negates you in that category of wrestlers who are in between major and popular minor promotions.
It was even weird when pearce defended the title in ROH. You have to be in a certain spot to be able to hold it, like a freelancer of a freelancer. Not a WWE guy not a TNA not even a CZW,PWG or ROH guy.
That tournament just shows how few names there are in the cracks between popular Independent companies.
Just make a 16 man Tournament off the top of your head with guys from Chikara,CZW and PWG.
If the NWA system from the 50s-80s still worked, imagine how big the NWA title could of been by now if companies like ROH, CZW, PWG, JAPW, Chikara, IWA-MS all bound together, and had there own heavyweight titles but used the NWA and It's champions as there World Champion.
But the fact is too many promoters want to do their own thing, so it doesn't work in today's world. NWA from Hollywood was the only thing going for the NWA for the last 5 years, and they screwed that deal, and now that have to look under rocks for guys who aren't working for any major minor promotion.
On the subject of cancelling the Title match in Melbourne, it is a fair enough decision if the promoter or Warzone didn't make the payment. But I know Colt and Pearce were fed up with the stuff with NWA from Hollywood that they just took the chance to get out of that whole mess completely.
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Post by Larryhausen on Nov 4, 2012 16:59:06 GMT -5
The thing is, is that Pearce and Cabana had been building this thing for months. Almost two years even. The feud was designed to make their hatred for each other, AND the title, something worth dying over. The two killed themselves all over the US and finally Australia to give some buzz to the title. And when the new owners unsanctioned the match, for whatever reason, at least 50% of what they were trying to accomplish went up in smoke.
I don't care if the fed's check didn't clear. Wouldn't making a one time exception so that this feud could end with a decisive winner, and the belt on a world class wrestler who is one of the most popular guys in the scene and would bring some publicity back to you make sense? Just don't let them use the footage, NWA name, or Colt himself until they get paid for it. Simple as that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 4, 2012 17:00:21 GMT -5
I remember when Cabana won the title for the first time, he wasn't that stoked about it, everyone was thrilled. but colt just was kind of "meh". It's almost a step back for anyone to hold the belt. Yeah you have the same belt as Race, Funk & Flair. But it also negates you in that category of wrestlers who are in between major and popular minor promotions. It was even weird when pearce defended the title in ROH. You have to be in a certain spot to be able to hold it, like a freelancer of a freelancer. Not a WWE guy not a TNA not even a CZW,PWG or ROH guy. That tournament just shows how few names there are in the cracks between popular Independent companies. Just make a 16 man Tournament off the top of your head with guys from Chikara,CZW and PWG. If the NWA system from the 50s-80s still worked, imagine how big the NWA title could of been by now if companies like ROH, CZW, PWG, JAPW, Chikara, IWA-MS all bound together, and had there own heavyweight titles but used the NWA and It's champions as there World Champion. But the fact is too many promoters want to do their own thing, so it doesn't work in today's world. NWA from Hollywood was the only thing going for the NWA for the last 5 years, and they screwed that deal, and now that have to look under rocks for guys who aren't working for any major minor promotion. On the subject of cancelling the Title match in Melbourne, it is a fair enough decision if the promoter or Warzone didn't make the payment. But I know Colt and Pearce were fed up with the stuff with NWA from Hollywood that they just took the chance to get out of that whole mess completely. Its too bad that the old system doesn't work anymore. I actually think that the NWA should change its ways and restructure itself. They should pick out 25-35 of the best and brightest guys (The NWA World Champion included) from their member promotions to make a centralized "main roster" of sorts, while keeping the small companies as "minor leagues" or "developmental". The smaller companies would also serve to provide the host venues for a handful of main roster members to perform.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 4, 2012 19:40:50 GMT -5
So basically Crocket during the mid 80's. It worked but the NWA has to actually make it worth the wrestlers' while by offering actual money and contracts, and that's just not going to happen.
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Post by notasmark on Nov 4, 2012 21:41:08 GMT -5
I don't care if the fed's check didn't clear. Wouldn't making a one time exception so that this feud could end with a decisive winner, and the belt on a world class wrestler who is one of the most popular guys in the scene and would bring some publicity back to you make sense? Just don't let them use the footage, NWA name, or Colt himself until they get paid for it. Simple as that. With me I think I'd rather the belt be on Colt Cabana and go without the 300 dollars owed to be honest (That's how much an NWA Membership is these days) After the match you say they can't use the NWA by name and can't produce the footage, You could bet your last dollar that they'd cough up the membership fee if the NWA said that to them.
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