Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Nov 15, 2012 13:14:12 GMT -5
I love elimination tag matches, but there's one things that always awkward about them.
The eliminations, especially when the team just watching the other guy eat a finisher and get pinned. I'm not even sure what the solution is, to be honest. In regular tag matches, the other guy is usually dealt with in some form and incapacitated so they can't break up the pin, but there's 3-4 guys on the apron per team.
How do you solve this, if you can? Usually the best thing if for the finish to happen deep in the corner of your team while the teammates kinda 'scare off' anyone trying to break up the pin.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Nov 15, 2012 13:32:55 GMT -5
well, I think sometimes they let the guy taking the pin be eliminated because they just know he's done. Sometimes they're worried about getting dqed
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Nov 15, 2012 14:22:02 GMT -5
Yeah I think the likelyhood of getting DQ'd rises a lot in survivor series elimination matches, which I kind of like as it gives the ref more control.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 17:10:42 GMT -5
The one time I can think of that they did a big DQ in a SurSer match (in '96) was a mess of a match, though, and it was almost like they couldn't bring themselves to just do the whole match and just ended it early with a DQ.
......and as I finish that, I remember the '91 opening match, where everyone but Flair got DQ'd. That was....an odd one.
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hitch
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Post by hitch on Nov 15, 2012 20:10:03 GMT -5
I always used to love how in the early days guys who ordinarily would need a couple of finishers to pin them used to be eliminated with like a clothes-line or a body slam for expedience.
I think the old 'survival' matches are overrated. Back when, way back when, the only real feud was between team captain vs team captain. The other six members of the teams were just filler and rarely did it mean anything.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Nov 15, 2012 20:20:52 GMT -5
I always used to love how in the early days guys who ordinarily would need a couple of finishers to pin them used to be eliminated with like a clothes-line or a body slam for expedience. I think the old 'survival' matches are overrated. Back when, way back when, the only real feud was between team captain vs team captain. The other six members of the teams were just filler and rarely did it mean anything. I don't know about 87 and 88 but I know that in 89 the Hulkamaniacs and Million Dollar Teams were all guys who were feuding with each other. The Ultimate Warriors and Heenan Family on missed on only Haku and Neidhart. Rude's Brood/Roddy's Rowdies and Dream Team/Enforcers managed three feuds also. King's Court and 4x4s had two feuds. 1990: All managed at least three out of four particpants feuding with each other. 1991: Only Duggan's team vs Mustafa's team didn't really match up |
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skulldouggory
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Post by skulldouggory on Nov 16, 2012 0:29:17 GMT -5
It always bugs me how there are almost always eliminations on "signiature" moves, or when no one goes for the save after a finisher.
I get the scared if DQ theory, but then compare it to non elimination multi men tag matches. They have to go for the save or they lose the entire match, but if saving a pin fall could be a dq, then why do they try it? Wouldn't it then be less risky to do it in an elimination style match?
But then to make it realistic the matches would last 60+ minutes.
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hitch
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Post by hitch on Nov 16, 2012 0:35:16 GMT -5
I always used to love how in the early days guys who ordinarily would need a couple of finishers to pin them used to be eliminated with like a clothes-line or a body slam for expedience. I think the old 'survival' matches are overrated. Back when, way back when, the only real feud was between team captain vs team captain. The other six members of the teams were just filler and rarely did it mean anything. I don't know about 87 and 88 but I know that in 89 the Hulkamaniacs and Million Dollar Teams were all guys who were feuding with each other. The Ultimate Warriors and Heenan Family on missed on only Haku and Neidhart. Rude's Brood/Roddy's Rowdies and Dream Team/Enforcers managed three feuds also. King's Court and 4x4s had two feuds. 1990: All managed at least three out of four particpants feuding with each other. 1991: Only Duggan's team vs Mustafa's team didn't really match up Well take the 1990 edition. Match 1: Ultimate Warrior, LOD and Tornado vs Mr Perfect, and Demolition. ...I don't really think Warrior and Perfect were feuding. I get LOD vs Demolition but the Texas Tornado was a spare part. Match two: Ted DiBiase, Undertaker and Rhythm and Blues vs Dusty Rhodes, Koko B. Ware and the Hart Foundation ....Ted DiBiase vs Dusty had a feud....but anyone else? Match Three: Rick Martel, Warlord, Power & Glory vs Jake Roberts, Snuka, Rockers ...Martel vs Jake - established feud. Did the Rockers really have beef with Power and Glory other than just being two tag teams? As for Warlord vs Snuka - I missed that one. Even the Hogan match. Hogan vs Quake - sure. But Dugan and Bravo? Tugboat and the Barbarian? What did The Big Bossman have against Haku? |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 16, 2012 0:56:17 GMT -5
I don't know about 87 and 88 but I know that in 89 the Hulkamaniacs and Million Dollar Teams were all guys who were feuding with each other. The Ultimate Warriors and Heenan Family on missed on only Haku and Neidhart. Rude's Brood/Roddy's Rowdies and Dream Team/Enforcers managed three feuds also. King's Court and 4x4s had two feuds. 1990: All managed at least three out of four particpants feuding with each other. 1991: Only Duggan's team vs Mustafa's team didn't really match up Well take the 1990 edition. Match 1: Ultimate Warrior, LOD and Tornado vs Mr Perfect, and Demolition. ...I don't really think Warrior and Perfect were feuding. I get LOD vs Demolition but the Texas Tornado was a spare part. Match two: Ted DiBiase, Undertaker and Rhythm and Blues vs Dusty Rhodes, Koko B. Ware and the Hart Foundation ....Ted DiBiase vs Dusty had a feud....but anyone else? Match Three: Rick Martel, Warlord, Power & Glory vs Jake Roberts, Snuka, Rockers ...Martel vs Jake - established feud. Did the Rockers really have beef with Power and Glory other than just being two tag teams? As for Warlord vs Snuka - I missed that one. Even the Hogan match. Hogan vs Quake - sure. But Dugan and Bravo? Tugboat and the Barbarian? What did The Big Bossman have against Haku? Tornado was feuding with Perfect at the time over the IC title. Warrior, who was the World Champion at the time, was the only guy not to have a feud in that match. Dibiase and Dusty was really the only feud in the second match. Rockers and Power and Glory were feuding at the time as they did an angle where Power and Glory injured Shawn Michaels leg and put him out of action for a few months. Warlord and Snuka didn't have a issue. They were both just used to round out the teams. Bossman had a feud going on with Rick Rude (who was originally scheduled to be on the Earthquake team) due to Rude and Bobby Heenan insulting his mother. Rude left the company before the show though and was replaced by Haku. Haku and Barbarian were both members of the Heenan Family though, so Bossman still kind of had a feud in the match. Tugboat and Bravo also were kind of feuding due to being the respective toadies of Hogan and Quake. |
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Nov 16, 2012 17:18:37 GMT -5
The Harts and Rhythm & Blues were feuding. I think Perfect challenged Warrior a few times, whcih kind of made sense since Warrior was the previous IC champ and Warrior also teamed with LOD against Demolition in six man matches
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