Naniwa
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Post by Naniwa on Nov 29, 2012 8:13:39 GMT -5
Aside from Vince and his dad which promoter has been most successful financially? The vast majority of American promoters I can think of (Heyman, Crockett, Cornette, Fritz, Watts, Verne, etcetera) ended up going bust.
The only guys who instantly sprung to mind were Baba- AJPW seemed to be doing fine right up until he died, and whoever it is that runs CMLL.
I'm sure I'm missing someone really obvious who isn't Dixie Carter...
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Post by sagsag on Nov 29, 2012 8:41:41 GMT -5
Jerry Jarrett did ok for himself for a while.
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Post by notasmark on Nov 29, 2012 9:10:46 GMT -5
Bischoff.
Nobody has ever come close to beating what McMahon created except for him. Granted he wasn't really a promoter he was the guy in charge and he almost toppled the WWF empire.
AJPW, CMLL etc did very well nationally but the only company to compete with McMahon in terms of international appeal was Ted Turner's WCW lead by Eric Bischoff.
After that I'd probably go ECW because they created something so special it still draws today.
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Post by YiHammer on Nov 29, 2012 10:59:04 GMT -5
I'll throw Inokis hate in the ring even if he doesn't work with New Jspan much
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2012 15:44:39 GMT -5
A lot of promoters were very successful in their day. They all eventually went out of business, but were successful for a period. Jerry Jarrett and Bill Watts both became millionaires running their respective wrestling companies.
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Post by deadstock on Nov 29, 2012 17:00:23 GMT -5
Antonio Peña
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Post by The Heenan Family on Nov 29, 2012 17:04:33 GMT -5
Sam Muchnick had a great run as NWA President. "Toots" Mondt was very successful but didn't manage the money too well.
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Post by NOwave on Nov 29, 2012 17:56:28 GMT -5
Has to be Jerry Jarrett. He kept the Memphis promotion in the black until he got out of it in 1996.(it went out of business within 6 months after he left) And during their peak years from about 1980-85, the Memphis promotion was extremely profitable and arguably the best known in the country in the mainstream, on the basis of the Andy Kaufman/Jerry Lawler feud.
Further, when Vince McMahon was under threat of jailtime during the steroid scandals of the early 90s, he handpicked Jerry to run the WWF in his absence, because he respected Jerry's business sense so deeply.
Finally, I've always felt Jerry was the real "idea" man behind TNA. His concept was to run using weekly PPVs as the sole live venue, a novel concept that allowed them to operate in a vastly shrunken market compared to only a few years earlier. TNA has missed Jerry's guiding hand since he got out and sold to Panda Energy and Dixie.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Dec 1, 2012 1:09:29 GMT -5
I was all set to come in here and say Baba, but seeing NOwave's post above, ya, it has to be Jerry Jarrett if we are discussing America. That made me rethink success as a booker.
Worldwide? Scratch Baba, Otto Wanz anybody? Guy pretty much was Thesz/Rikidozan/Hogan/Inoki of Germany for what, 4 decades? Pretty sure he made a shit ton of money and did wrestler/booker longer than anybody else. Kayfabe wise, he is the man...in Germany, but still.
I guess I ask, how do we define success?
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Post by mjolnir on Dec 1, 2012 1:42:14 GMT -5
Jerry J, Antonio Inoki and Otto Wanz would be the three that spring to mind immediately.
I know some people want to say Baba, but cracks were already forming when he was still around and AJPW never truly overthrew NJPW. At best, they were at a stalemate with each other, at worst, NJPW was stomping on AJPW. Admittedly the latter happened more often after Baba's removal from the picture, but still. There's a reason why of all the promotions in the world, it isn't TNA, but NJPW that looks poised to possibly become a threat to the WWE given time.
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Post by notasmark on Dec 1, 2012 4:41:08 GMT -5
Jerry J, Antonio Inoki and Otto Wanz would be the three that spring to mind immediately. I know some people want to say Baba, but cracks were already forming when he was still around and AJPW never truly overthrew NJPW. At best, they were at a stalemate with each other, at worst, NJPW was stomping on AJPW. Admittedly the latter happened more often after Baba's removal from the picture, but still. There's a reason why of all the promotions in the world, it isn't TNA, but NJPW that looks poised to possibly become a threat to the WWE given time. You're having a laugh if you think NJPW is going to overthrow WWE. The culture is different a majority of casual wrestling fans want the WWE style not the NJPW style, not to mention NJPW is in Japanese. Also, Didn't NJPW tour the USA just a year or so ago and in conjunction with JAPW (A decent sized indy in it's own right) draw under a thousand fans for each night? Yeahhhh, I don't think the WWE is shaking in it's boots over NJPW. |
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Post by YiHammer on Dec 1, 2012 7:46:50 GMT -5
He didn't say New Japan was going to beat WWE.
He said its the closest out of all the major promotions.
Also New Japan's style is very close to WWEs compared to Noah's Kings Road style.
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Post by notasmark on Dec 1, 2012 7:53:26 GMT -5
He didn't say New Japan was going to beat WWE. He said its the closest out of all the major promotions. Also New Japan's style is very close to WWEs compared to Noah's Kings Road style. TNA is closest. They're the only promotion that is significant in international markets. Everyone has the romanticism that some Japanese promotion is going to take the wrestling world by storm but the reality is a Japanese company can never take over. The culture is too different and language is a problem. NJPW is only classified as a threat to WWE in the Japanese market and possibly Asian market. Outside of that very small market WWE has NJPW beat. At least TNA has WWE beaten in 1 market and is actively competing in the second market. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 1, 2012 8:25:10 GMT -5
I agree that TNA is the closest because of TV deals alone. I'm sure someone in the UK gets TNA and WWE programing. I doubt they get any of Japan's stuff. Much like us in the U.S. We can't order or get any PPVs or weekly TVs from Japan on our TVs here. If we want stuff from them we have to order them.
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Post by Fantozzi on Dec 1, 2012 13:01:49 GMT -5
inoki was very successful for 30 years, then his dumb ideas almost killed NJPW
they recovered only after inoki left
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Dec 1, 2012 13:26:10 GMT -5
See, I don't think you can call Inoki's later ideas "dumb". Adapt or die, and Inoki knew MMA was going to be a big thing in coming years so he tried to infuse it in. It failed, but at least he tried to keep his product fresh.
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Post by kamero00 on Dec 1, 2012 15:51:15 GMT -5
I would put Bischoff, but his abilities in TNA showed that it was Ted Turners wallet, that made WCW successful, and not just Easy E's genius.
Don't get me wrong, he is a good promoter, but when him and Hogan joined TNA, there is no question the product got worse there for a while
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Post by ScottishProWrestling on Dec 2, 2012 21:41:50 GMT -5
Brian Dixon of the UK. He's been running profitable shows since the 70s with All-Star and continues to do so to this day as well as having a TV slot on ITV in the 1980s. Also, pretty much anybody who is anybody and made it to the top via the UK has went through All Star.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:42:00 GMT -5
Dixon has been very successful. As far as TNA is concerned, they have lost money over the years, not turned a profit. They have exposure on television, but aren't necessarily "successful."
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