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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 27, 2012 7:58:06 GMT -5
Batman's relationship with the general public and the Gotham PD is shaky at best already. If he turned lethal, his job would just get 10X harder due to backlash, and the rest of the Rogue's Gallery wouldn't care much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 9:40:10 GMT -5
Because Batman has dealt with several people he knew in his life being killed. And, as a crusader for justice, he learned that death basically exonerates the criminal from his ill deeds.
Plus, it gives him something to do as a pasttime. Being a billionaire bachelor can get really boring quick.
That's why, in retrospect, I'm not a big fan of the film noir "Batman" movies of the early 1990s (before the messed-up Joel Schumaker films), but I have a lot of love and respect for the "Batman Begins/Dark Knight" trilogy this past decade.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jul 27, 2012 9:44:55 GMT -5
Real heroes don't kill - my issue is that Batman circumvents the justice system that can't get the job done of taking these guys down, but has issues with just plain imprisoning them - wouldn't you think that a guy who can basically take down deities as long as he's expecting to encounter them would be aces at not just capturing, but jailing his enemies? It's not like he's against incarceration, and he obviously considers himself above the official justice system - I totally agree with his non-lethal methods, but I think he should be jugging up these mega miscreants. Holy Gulag, Batscrew!
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 27, 2012 10:37:26 GMT -5
Real heroes don't kill - my issue is that Batman circumvents the justice system that can't get the job done of taking these guys down, but has issues with just plain imprisoning them - wouldn't you think that a guy who can basically take down deities as long as he's expecting to encounter them would be aces at not just capturing, but jailing his enemies? It's not like he's against incarceration, and he obviously considers himself above the official justice system - I totally agree with his non-lethal methods, but I think he should be jugging up these mega miscreants. Holy Gulag, Batscrew! At the end of the day, I'm with you on the whole "real heroes don't kill" thing, but as comics have become darker and edgier, and villains have gone from simpletons wanting to rob banks, to serial killers that happily rape babies...I can't' help but believe killing these guys is the only real answer. In fact, while I don't think comics should go stupid "kid friendly" with super heroes, I do really wish they'd scale the death/rape/murder/vile crimes back a lot. I like guys like Rhino or Electro: Douchebags who deserve to be stopped and sent to prison...but not murderous monsters.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jul 27, 2012 10:52:26 GMT -5
I absolutely agree - the real monsters should be few and far between. The Joker is a lunatic, but supercriminals should be far more common.
And comic books should go kid friendly - that's when they sold the most, when they were aimed at being comprehensible to kids. Mort Weisinger's Superman factory pumped out hundreds of stories to an extremely recognizable template, and it was a golden age. Continuity shouldn't be messing with sales like it is, and I'm someone that adores comicbook (DC) continuity. It doesn't make sense to make everything beholden to it.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 27, 2012 11:11:50 GMT -5
He doesn't even have to kill Joker, why not just cripple him?
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 27, 2012 11:23:47 GMT -5
He doesn't even have to kill Joker, why not just cripple him? Just what I came in to say. Just paralyze him so what happened to Barbara Gordon wouldn't happen to anyone else and so many others wouldn't be dead now. Yeah I know Batman's has a 'code' but it's flawed and him paralyzing Joker would've helped Gotham and many people would have not been killed. He should of been did that, especially after The Killing Joke.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2012 11:25:46 GMT -5
If Batman killed all his enemies, he'd be like Major Payne
He'd be bored.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 11:43:12 GMT -5
He should just get over himself and start killing.
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Jul 27, 2012 11:46:09 GMT -5
Thou Shall Not Kill!
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 27, 2012 11:53:33 GMT -5
Because it's a comic. If the villains of ANY superhero were killed off of couldn't eventually break free, you wouldn't have much villains left, would you?
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Jul 27, 2012 11:58:19 GMT -5
Because it's a comic. If the villains of ANY superhero were killed off of couldn't eventually break free, you wouldn't have much villains left, would you? Not true at all. Take Doctor Strange , what is killing Shuma Gorath going to do exactly? Where as the Joker is just a crazy guy dressed as a clown. He's mortal. He has no power to comeback. He has no power to comeback. Despite their popularity Batman's rogue gallery is incredibly weak in the grand scheme of things when compared to the rogue gallery of someone like say John Constantine or Etrigan.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 27, 2012 12:03:59 GMT -5
Because it's a comic. If the villains of ANY superhero were killed off of couldn't eventually break free, you wouldn't have much villains left, would you? Not true at all. Take Doctor Strange , what is killing Shuma Gorath going to do exactly? Where as the Joker is just a crazy guy dressed as a clown. He's mortal. He has no power to comeback. He has no power to comeback. Despite their popularity Batman's rogue gallery is incredibly weak in the grand scheme of things when compared to the rogue gallery of someone like say John Constantine or Etrigan. Um, there's a slight difference in power between Joker, who is still human, and Shuma-Gorath, who is a f***ing ravager of dimensions.
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Post by Glitch on Jul 27, 2012 12:50:24 GMT -5
Because then he'd just be the Punisher. Actually, I don't think so. I think he'd just be more like the Keaton Batman. ;D This why it seems strange that people say Batman doesn't kill, when keaton Batman took quite a few mofos out. Including setting one on fire with the bat mobile and tossing them off the tower.
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Post by Cela on Jul 27, 2012 12:55:27 GMT -5
Thou Shall Not Kill! Oh f*** off Spectre, do your damn job!
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jul 27, 2012 13:10:10 GMT -5
Not true at all. Take Doctor Strange , what is killing Shuma Gorath going to do exactly? Where as the Joker is just a crazy guy dressed as a clown. He's mortal. He has no power to comeback. He has no power to comeback. Despite their popularity Batman's rogue gallery is incredibly weak in the grand scheme of things when compared to the rogue gallery of someone like say John Constantine or Etrigan. Um, there's a slight difference in power between Joker, who is still human, and Shuma-Gorath, who is a f***ing ravager of dimensions. Yeah I was going to say I don't think it's actually possible to kill Shuma-Gorath unless your an abstract cosmic scale entity and even then I'm not convinced they could do it. Comparing He Who Sleeps to The Joker is a tad absurd. Perhaps Carnage would have been a better choice a being who is a serial killer without the symbioote and with it is a city wide liability.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 27, 2012 13:22:15 GMT -5
Well, he can't do like he did with Catwoman and just flirt with every super villain until they turn (sort of) good.
......Could he?
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Either that, or bring Superman into the team:
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 27, 2012 14:08:16 GMT -5
How many times can you put The Joker in Arkham before you learn your lesson? And blackgate is a joke prison. Wolverine kills and you don't see his enemies coming back to haunt him. Cause their dead! Batman needs to tighten up. Wolverine's foes come back all the time. hell, Sabretooth came back from having his head chopped off with a magic anti-healing factor sword (partially because that story was dumb as shit). it's comic books. killing off Joker would just be a temporary solution at best. to quote Superman, "your no-nonsense solutions hold no ground in a world with super-powered apes and time travel".
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 27, 2012 14:11:13 GMT -5
How many times can you put The Joker in Arkham before you learn your lesson? And blackgate is a joke prison. Wolverine kills and you don't see his enemies coming back to haunt him. Cause their dead! Batman needs to tighten up. Wolverine's foes come back all the time. hell, Sabretooth came back from having his head chopped off with a magic anti-healing factor sword (partially because that story was dumb as s***). it's comic books. killing off Joker would just be a temporary solution at best. to quote Superman, "your no-nonsense solutions hold no ground in a world with super-powered apes and time travel". aka Writers don't want to come up with new ideas anymore. Really, if you're gonna keep the "no killing" creed, at least make the villain's less psycho and the crimes less severe.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 27, 2012 14:12:53 GMT -5
Forget Batman. There's been about 17 heroes in Gotham or hang out in Gotham (pre-reboot). You mean to tell me even that hasn't helped improve s***? the one thing I can understand is, I can see why Batman doesn't ever try to kill Joker, but why has no-one else? I mean Azrael and Huntress never had a problem deep-sixing guys. and that's not even taking police into account. you mean to tell me that no cop in the imminently corrupt Gotham PD has ever thought "yeah I could kill Joker, and I bet I'd get away with it"? I mean yeah, he's dangerous, but put him in a straight-jacket and take away his toys and I doubt he'd be much of a threat. for that matter, why has someone like say Black Adam never killed him? he has the powers, and the personality to do so. ditto Stormwatch in the new 52. they don't follow the same code as superheroes. after all, their professionals i know it contradicts what I just said, and it would still be a temporary solution at best, but it's one of those interesting questions I doubt anyone at DC will ever answer.
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