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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2012 0:41:39 GMT -5
Why "sadly"? Is stepping outside of your area of interests detrimental to you? It is okay to not like something. I don't understand the attempt to shelter oneself from it. It's like someone bragging they went well out of their way to not find out who shot J.R., or see Princess Diana's wedding or funeral. There is no prize for living in a bubble. There's no prize for watching the video either. It's just a youtube video. I have nothing to gain from watching or not watching it. I don't care either way. I still have no desire to watch it. Comparing some random video on the internet to actual events with some degree of importance isn't going to suddenly make this matter to me. What you have to gain is the ability to have an opinion on something monumental that's become one of the biggest splashes in pop culture this decade. It has actual importance. There's more substantial reasons to watch it than to not. In fact, watching the video is a provable better use of time than making a post stating that you aren't going to or haven't watched the video.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 0:44:22 GMT -5
Just watched it for the first time, after hearing it and seeing parodies.
The women were pretty and I liked the duck boats.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 11, 2012 0:46:58 GMT -5
There's no prize for watching the video either. It's just a youtube video. I have nothing to gain from watching or not watching it. I don't care either way. I still have no desire to watch it. Comparing some random video on the internet to actual events with some degree of importance isn't going to suddenly make this matter to me. What you have to gain is the ability to have an opinion on something monumental that's become one of the biggest splashes in pop culture this decade. It has actual importance. There's more substantial reasons to watch it than to not. In fact, watching the video is a provable better use of time than making a post stating that you aren't going to or haven't watched the video. Oh my gosh, what in the f*** do you even care what I do or decide not to do? It's like you're getting personally offended or something. This is no different than not wanting to watch a popular movie. There area lot of really popular so called "ground-breaking" movies that I have never seen and really don't intend to just because I have no interest in them. This is the same thing.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2012 1:35:08 GMT -5
Why do you care what I care? Why do you sound offended? It's a discussion board. We discuss things. If you don't want to watch something, then keep it moving. You were the second post in this thread, essentially bragging that you hadn't seen it yet. Why? If it doesn't interest you, why would you even click on the thread, let alone take the time to respond? Does telling people the video doesn't interest you, in fact, interest you more than the video does? That would make you a textbook contrarian.
Look at how you've then returned to this thread. In the time it took you to make these three posts, you could have watched it and then be able to have input on a conversation that goes deeper than "guess what I DIDN'T watch, you guys?" There's not a whole lot of discussion to be had there other than "why didn't you watch it?" You can't be surprised that that's the response you're getting.
Hey, here's the video:
It's a fun piece of art. It's free.
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Post by TCA on Dec 11, 2012 2:32:16 GMT -5
Don't click it Banjo! ;D Chazraps in answer to why someone (seemingly not interested) would click on the thread and then respond, you answered it yourself- it's a discussion board! And it's not like this was an appreciation thread of PSY, it is a thread about the video having lots (and lots!) of views, thus Banjo and others were in the right to contribute to the discussion by saying that even though it's close to a billion, that they hadn't viewed it. This thread would've been dull if we hadn't had the differences of opinion coming through. There's not a whole lot of discussion to be had there other than "why didn't you watch it?" You can't be surprised that that's the response you're getting. Personally, I think there is lots to discuss about someone not viewing something that so many already have and that's a "gigantic phenomenon". It brings up ideas about peer pressure and conforming. In this case it's quite innocent as it's just a video. But other cases can be much more dangerous. I think it's interesting you feel the need to push this video on people. Banjo's said he's not interested, so why are you being so insistent about this?
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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2012 2:44:00 GMT -5
I don't think I'm peddling the video, rather I just don't see three "I'm not watching it because it doesn't interest me" posts from the same person in a thread discussing a video that's become a phenomenon as really pushing forward any sort of dialogue.
These aren't differing opinions, but rather refusals to have an opinion by not engaging with the topic at hand. What possible contributions could someone who hasn't seen a video that's reached 900,000,000 views bring to the conversation about said video other than "I haven't watched it. I still haven't watched it. I don't want to watch it." Rinse. Repeat.
It's one think to like/dislike the video and then have a discussion on it. Beyond that, there's the discussion of why has this capture the heart of the planet and become so popular so quickly? It would be another thing if this were a discussion on something that required any sort of monetary and/or time investment, like the aforementioned important ground-breaking movies.
This is a 3-4 minute video you can watch for free on the internet in half the time it takes to write a single post contributing to this discussion. This isn't about "peer pressure" or "conformity" but rather being a part of a worthwhile dialogue with a qualified opinion.
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Post by Orange on Dec 11, 2012 2:49:58 GMT -5
TCA - I think the reason why Chaz is recommending people watch the video is simply because there's a chance at more discussion if somebody has at least seen the video. As of right now, if somebody hasn't seen the video on it, the most they can say is 'I haven't seen it for this and this reason and that's that".
If somebody's at least given the video a shot, they can tell why they didn't like etc. - and you move past the smugness of somebody voicing why they didn't watch it and why the video and song are horrible.
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 11, 2012 3:21:09 GMT -5
But all he said was he had not seen the video and he didn't want to. That is relevant to the topic. If I had heard the song first,there is no way I would have watched the video. Maybe he has heard the song and didn't like it. Why watch a video of something you don't like? I have never seen the Thriller video because I don't like the song. I don't regret it either. I don't know his actual reason but it doesn't really matter. He does not want to watch it so that's his choice. It's just a music video. Some like it and some don't and it really shouldn't matter who has watched it and who has not.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2012 6:40:46 GMT -5
Why watch a video of something you don't like? I have never seen the Thriller video because I don't like the song. I don't regret it either. I don't know his actual reason but it doesn't really matter. He does not want to watch it so that's his choice. It's just a music video. Some like it and some don't and it really shouldn't matter who has watched it and who has not. Well, for one thing, this is a discussion on the most-seen YouTube video of all time. Why would you comment on something when you have absolutely no way to engage someone in conversation about it other than repeatedly injecting that you've never seen it? Not to mention that such a position would be easily and quickly corrected and be much more time efficient than just repeatedly posting "I haven't seen it." And jeeze, you've never seen "Thriller?" Your opinion of the song shouldn't detract you from watching the absolute barometer by which all music videos are judged: Having not seen it, you really can't say whether or not something is "just a music video."
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 11, 2012 7:34:04 GMT -5
Why watch a video of something you don't like? I have never seen the Thriller video because I don't like the song. I don't regret it either. I don't know his actual reason but it doesn't really matter. He does not want to watch it so that's his choice. It's just a music video. Some like it and some don't and it really shouldn't matter who has watched it and who has not. Well, for one thing, this is a discussion on the most-seen YouTube video of all time. Why would you comment on something when you have absolutely no way to engage someone in conversation about it other than repeatedly injecting that you've never seen it? Not to mention that such a position would be easily and quickly corrected and be much more time efficient than just repeatedly posting "I haven't seen it." And jeeze, you've never seen "Thriller?" Your opinion of the song shouldn't detract you from watching the absolute barometer by which all music videos are judged: Having not seen it, you really can't say whether or not something is "just a music video." What bothers me about pop culture is that Psy's video is the most popular video in the world, and then there's Thriller-this is what pisses me off about the dropoff in entertainment value in my lifetime
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Post by chazraps on Dec 11, 2012 7:45:40 GMT -5
While I see where you're coming from, I'm absolutely certain more people have seen "Thriller" than "Gangnam Style." And, for the sake of comparison, when MTV had their very first viewer-voted Top 100 Videos of All Time countdown in 1988, "Thriller" finished at a mere #4. Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me" was #1.
Not to mention, this past fall "Thriller" had a very successful theatrical re-release. People still love some Jacko. "Thriller" is timeless.
With "Gangnam Style" being the "Pour Some Sugar On Me" of right now, there's still some absolutely astounding music videos being made who, decades from now, will continue to wow. But still, "Gangnam" and "Sugar" are both valid and well executed pieces of art that achieve their means at the absolute height of their mediums. Both have their place.
Of course, I'm in the camp that's always preferred "Sledgehammer" to "Thriller..."
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Post by Throwback on Dec 11, 2012 9:32:14 GMT -5
I use to have a program that allows you to put up youtube videos in multiples and restart them every 10 seconds. Thus making the view count sky rocket. I don't trust the view counts because I can't be the only one who had that program.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 11, 2012 9:47:19 GMT -5
The thing I appreciate about Gangnam Style's video and lyrics (if you understand Korean or read a translation that is) is that on the surface it's a ridiculously catchy and silly and fun song/video. But it's not just another dumb pop dance song. It's a pretty smart satire making fun of the opulent lifestyle of those who live in the affluent Gangnam district in Seoul.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 11, 2012 10:17:59 GMT -5
I'm with Banjo on this though probably for a different reason. After having so many crap home made versions, parodies, and countless other references pop up in things I like I am sick of it without having seen the actual video leaving me with no desire to see it.
After a few years when this is another forgotten note in pop culture history I'll probably stumble across it and love it but right now is rather continue to live in ignorance as some would say.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Dec 11, 2012 10:19:05 GMT -5
The thing I appreciate about Gangnam Style's video and lyrics (if you understand Korean or read a translation that is) is that on the surface it's a ridiculously catchy and silly and fun song/video. But it's not just another dumb pop dance song. It's a pretty smart satire making fun of the opulent lifestyle of those who live in the affluent Gangnam district in Seoul. Isn't he from said District?
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 11, 2012 10:45:06 GMT -5
*shrugs* I just think it's this generation's macarena. In a year I'd be surprised if a lot of people even remember it. It's a tad early to treat it as though it'll change the course of pop culture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 10:59:55 GMT -5
This is the closest I've come to watching the video:
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Post by Cyno on Dec 11, 2012 11:02:59 GMT -5
The thing I appreciate about Gangnam Style's video and lyrics (if you understand Korean or read a translation that is) is that on the surface it's a ridiculously catchy and silly and fun song/video. But it's not just another dumb pop dance song. It's a pretty smart satire making fun of the opulent lifestyle of those who live in the affluent Gangnam district in Seoul. Isn't he from said District? Yep. His firsthand knowledge made for an even more effective satire.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 11, 2012 11:26:12 GMT -5
Yer, it's about the people in that area trying to emulate Beverley Hills.
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Post by BK From WV on Dec 11, 2012 11:49:21 GMT -5
Why watch a video of something you don't like? I have never seen the Thriller video because I don't like the song. I don't regret it either. I don't know his actual reason but it doesn't really matter. He does not want to watch it so that's his choice. It's just a music video. Some like it and some don't and it really shouldn't matter who has watched it and who has not. Well, for one thing, this is a discussion on the most-seen YouTube video of all time. Why would you comment on something when you have absolutely no way to engage someone in conversation about it other than repeatedly injecting that you've never seen it? Not to mention that such a position would be easily and quickly corrected and be much more time efficient than just repeatedly posting "I haven't seen it." And jeeze, you've never seen "Thriller?" Your opinion of the song shouldn't detract you from watching the absolute barometer by which all music videos are judged: Having not seen it, you really can't say whether or not something is "just a music video." That is all it is though,just a music video. I'm not saying people can't get enjoyment out of a music video. There are music videos I enjoy but for me,I have to enjoy the song as well. If I don't like the song,it's going to distract me from the video. I'm sure Thriller is a good video. I have seen clips of it(it's hard not to) but I have no desire in watching it. I've made it 25 or so years without seeing it and it has had no bearing on my life. Again,if people like it,that's great. Music and videos are there to entertain. I'm sure I like some things others don't and that's fine as well. I love the Sabotage video but if someone hasn't seen it because they don't like the song or whatever,that's fine. It's their choice.
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