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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 21, 2012 17:16:41 GMT -5
Yeah, if Rock hadn't announced that he was challenging for the WWE championship at the Royal Rumble, there would have been no reason for Punk to turn heel. Punk was running dry as a face in terms of opponents, not to mention besides the AJ stuff, he wasn't doing well for ratings. Plus, Cena needed to get back into the title picture already. I think Punk turning heel made sense either way. Ryback would probably be champion right now OR Punk would be winning the title back from Cena, with Ryback vs. Punk happening at Mania
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Post by Been burned too many times on Dec 21, 2012 17:18:54 GMT -5
^I just don't see that. I don't know, it only seems 'right' for Punk's reign to end at Wrestlemania. It's too much of a foregone conclusion that Rock's gonna win at the Rumble, I just don't think it's happening. Especially since it's 2 months before Mania. There was a dirtsheet(I know not always reliable) that mention that the rock is more or less promised a title run. Hence everybody picking Rock. He might get the title in 2013 but I just don't think he'll win it at the Rumble...seems, too early.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 21, 2012 17:23:28 GMT -5
If Rock wins the title before Wrestlemania, my jaw will hit the floor.
Now the mark in me is honestly pulling for Rock, because Punk has managed to work me good with his heel turn- I can't recall a top, strongly booked character this whiny in years, and for reasons that don't even make much sense.
But I doubt that WWE today has the balls to have their champion off house shows and making infrequent TV appearances before Mania, which Rock would have to do given his other affairs. I think Punk retaining against Rock and Rock winning the Rumble to close the show is a more likely scenario, as I can see them wanting to get as much out of a Rock/Punk feud as they can.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 21, 2012 17:24:46 GMT -5
There was a dirtsheet(I know not always reliable) that mention that the rock is more or less promised a title run. Hence everybody picking Rock. He might get the title in 2013 but I just don't think he'll win it at the Rumble...seems, too early. Well unless I missed something, they have not said what the rock will do it after mania, and how many dates he will fulfill. So the WWE probably feels the best time to give the Rock his title run is early 2013 and then he jobs to cena so Cena gets his win back.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Dec 21, 2012 17:32:47 GMT -5
He might get the title in 2013 but I just don't think he'll win it at the Rumble...seems, too early. Well unless I missed something, they have not said what the rock will do it after mania, and how many dates he will fulfill. So the WWE probably feels the best time to give the Rock his title run is early 2013 and then he jobs to cena so Cena gets his win back. No reason to call it 'Once in a Lifetime' if they wanted someone to get their win back. Cena has barely mentioned the loss to the Rock since then, he doesn't seem concerned with him or the WWE title right now. Both Rock and Cena might be in one of the Chamber matches for the title but I don't think Twice in a Lifetime is actually happening at Mania.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Dec 21, 2012 17:37:34 GMT -5
At the end of the day Punk had the reign so its still for CM Punk too. Not just for the "movie star, who also happens to be one of the all time greats" Way to throw Punk under the bus. And they could use the reign to put over someone huge that could use the push that they finally ended CM Punk's 400+ day reign as WWE Champion. Nope, it'll be a guy who doesn't need it. Don't see what any of that has to do with what I said.
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Post by Main Event Mark on Dec 21, 2012 19:29:06 GMT -5
The fact that The Rock hasn't been back for 'revenge' on Punk for the GTS at RAW 1000 makes it pretty clear they were planning on Punk/Rock at the Rumble all along.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 21, 2012 19:57:10 GMT -5
He might get the title in 2013 but I just don't think he'll win it at the Rumble...seems, too early. Well unless I missed something, they have not said what the rock will do it after mania, and how many dates he will fulfill. So the WWE probably feels the best time to give the Rock his title run is early 2013 and then he jobs to cena so Cena gets his win back. I'm pretty sure the Rock has several movies in the works for 2013 so he'll have a very limited window of opportunity to work with WWE. And early 2013 seems to be it.
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Post by Sam Punk on Dec 21, 2012 20:33:52 GMT -5
More like Rock is to blame for Punk's reign.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 21, 2012 23:05:11 GMT -5
More like Rock is to blame for Punk's reign. Yeah, I miss the hotshotting too.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 21, 2012 23:24:32 GMT -5
Seems to me Rock was destined to be champ. I don't remember exact words, but Rock basically said he'd be champ again. Usually when Rock says things, they come true. Now, Rock is champ, you can trot him out on Leno and Letterman and such with the belt, promote Mania, promote his movie. You're good. How they get to Rock vs. Punk vs. Cena at Mania, not sure yet. The 3-way gives them an excuse to have Rock and Cena in the same ring and keep "Once in a Lifetime" which they're still promoting since the recent DVD came out, Punk gets his main event and can retire soon like he allegedly would like to.
I honesty feel Rock gets the belt to go into Mania.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 21, 2012 23:42:02 GMT -5
More like Rock is to blame for Punk's reign. Yeah, I miss the hotshotting too. And I miss when long title reigns were actually interesting.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 21, 2012 23:57:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I miss the hotshotting too. And I miss when long title reigns were actually interesting. When was that?
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Dec 22, 2012 0:19:33 GMT -5
Still don't see why so many people think Rock's gonna win at the Rumble. I still think Rock beats Punk for the title and Cena then beats Rock to close out Mania to a chorus of boos. I will be legit shocked if that changes between now and Wrestlemania. Here's the thing, WWE HAS to know that Cena winning will be nothing but Boo Street, Atlanta, GA, AND the Rock won't work with them past Mania, so why put themselves in that position. That is the sole line of thinking preventing me from believing Rock/Cena is going to happen like everyone says.
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Post by memphis25 on Dec 22, 2012 3:03:43 GMT -5
Its clear as day the only reason Punk has held the title this long is because of Rock. We have known since July 23rd what the match was going to be at the Rumble, if that match wasn't going to happen Vince would have had Punk drop the strap on one of several times over the course of the run.
Even if everything would have played out the same and he turned heel to extend his run and Vince wouldn't have panicked over his terrible numbers in the ratings he would have lost it to Ryback after Vince seen the spike in buys for Hell in a Cell.
People who think Punk getting this long run was the plan from day one need a reality check. If Punk does get past the Rock at RR which I find doubtful he will lose it at the chamber or on Raw because they can't keep killing baby faces.
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Post by memphis25 on Dec 22, 2012 3:06:02 GMT -5
No reason to call it 'Once in a Lifetime' if they wanted someone to get their win back. Cena has barely mentioned the loss to the Rock since then, he doesn't seem concerned with him or the WWE title right now. Both Rock and Cena might be in one of the Chamber matches for the title but I don't think Twice in a Lifetime is actually happening at Mania. When that was booked they didn't know Rock would be that open for more dates, you also don't let an outsider beat your top face without him getting his win back.
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Post by memphis25 on Dec 22, 2012 3:08:49 GMT -5
Here's the thing, WWE HAS to know that Cena winning will be nothing but Boo Street, Atlanta, GA, AND the Rock won't work with them past Mania, so why put themselves in that position. That is the sole line of thinking preventing me from believing Rock/Cena is going to happen like everyone says. Cena is the face of the company if they cared about him getting booed they would have turned him heel years ago. Fear of fans booing isn't going to stop them from making him the champion again.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 22, 2012 3:11:13 GMT -5
No reason to call it 'Once in a Lifetime' if they wanted someone to get their win back. Cena has barely mentioned the loss to the Rock since then, he doesn't seem concerned with him or the WWE title right now. Both Rock and Cena might be in one of the Chamber matches for the title but I don't think Twice in a Lifetime is actually happening at Mania. When that was booked they didn't know Rock would be that open for more dates, you also don't let an outsider beat your top face without him getting his win back. My reason for not wanting Punk to beat Rock? Punk is clearly below Cena and I don't think he deserves to get to beat The Rock before Cena does.
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Post by memphis25 on Dec 22, 2012 3:39:53 GMT -5
My reason for not wanting Punk to beat Rock? Punk is clearly below Cena and I don't think he deserves to get to beat The Rock before Cena does. Unless they get goofy like they sometimes do when people expect a finish and then hurt themselves and business by changing it then Rock will beat Punk and then lose to Cena. They would have never had Cena lose the first match if they didn't already have a good idea Rock would come back and return the favor in a part. Also opening the door for a 3rd match to see who the better man is and giving them a 3rd big money match. If they have Punk beat Rock at the Rumble then they lower the Rock a peg costing themselves money at Mania, and also makes Cena look like less of a star since he hasn't beat Punk in a long while or held the title in forever and then Punk beat the man who beat Cena clean in the middle. On top of that they also cost themselves by hurting Ryback's momentum by having him fail 3 times to Punk when Punk finds a way to win on the 7th. Punk can lost the title and its not going to hurt him a big since he's coming off the long run.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 22, 2012 5:09:56 GMT -5
My reason for not wanting Punk to beat Rock? Punk is clearly below Cena and I don't think he deserves to get to beat The Rock before Cena does. Unless they get goofy like they sometimes do when people expect a finish and then hurt themselves and business by changing it then Rock will beat Punk and then lose to Cena. They would have never had Cena lose the first match if they didn't already have a good idea Rock would come back and return the favor in a part. Also opening the door for a 3rd match to see who the better man is and giving them a 3rd big money match. If they have Punk beat Rock at the Rumble then they lower the Rock a peg costing themselves money at Mania, and also makes Cena look like less of a star since he hasn't beat Punk in a long while or held the title in forever and then Punk beat the man who beat Cena clean in the middle. On top of that they also cost themselves by hurting Ryback's momentum by having him fail 3 times to Punk when Punk finds a way to win on the 7th. Punk can lost the title and its not going to hurt him a big since he's coming off the long run. Punk beating The Rock when Cena couldn't doesn't hurt Cena's credibility at all if Punk does it via dirty tactics which he almost certainly would. Then you get to have Punk gloating about doing what Cena never could, which is standard heel practice. Punk could drag that to WrestleMania where he finally got his comeuppance from someone.
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