RKTaker
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Post by RKTaker on Jan 5, 2013 19:12:00 GMT -5
this game is all about chance if you don't take it what are you gonna accomplish...nothing
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 5, 2013 19:13:42 GMT -5
What I think we should do is keep the discussion going and the people who are not helping with the discussion should be lynched and we should hope for the best. That's the way mafia games should be played we are not going to be 100% certain of anything but if we don't take a chance we can't win. Oh I agree that if someone is not helping one bit in the discussion and is just posting a vague post or two to avoid a modkill, then they should be seen as suspicious. I just don't want to immediately go after someone who's inactive and might have a reason for why they might not be as active as they maybe want to be without a little bit of discussion. We also need to look at those who are active and see if they're acting scummy as well. We shouldn't just go after inactives simply because they're inactive. We did that in the DBZ Abridged mafia game and it sent us into circles for 3 straight day phases. I don't want that same thing to happen here without a legitimate reason.
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Big Bad Brad
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 5, 2013 19:17:48 GMT -5
Right now I'm hoping no one gets modkilled or replaced this day phase it was tough enough to get 13 people in this game finding a replacement wont be the easiest thing at least until someone on the town side gets killed off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 19:32:45 GMT -5
I get his reasoning now, but I still don't like it. I'd rather take an inactive mod kill then a wasted lynch.
It's still early in the day phase though so, I'm going to sit back like I planned now and see what the others think before throwing out my ideas.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 5, 2013 19:44:54 GMT -5
The game is built around risks especially for the town. As a town member some times you have to realize your death is important in ferreting out scum. Only scum with their low numbers need to worry about their individual safety. The town HAS to be about the collective or we all lose. Each day you wait for someone to be useful the mafia gets a free kill. If someone is not actively helping the town they are hurting us. That's always been my belief.
I mean we have to lynch someone sometime and its a shot in the dark at first. If someone offers me a better idea on how to place an uninformed vote I am all ears, but until someone sets off my scum-radar I am just as blind as everyone else, I'm just being up front with how I will vote. How will the rest of you decide to take your shot in the dark or do you plan on not voting and waiting until after the mafia kills?
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No Longer a Produceman
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jan 5, 2013 22:24:10 GMT -5
I just don't like the mindset if letting scum live just because they're active. Yes, they can slip up, but I'd rather kill them off.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 6, 2013 1:05:59 GMT -5
I understand the killing inactive thing, and until recently I would have been on board with that line of thinking.
However, last few games there has been replacements allowed. Kind of changes my thinking there.
I still do think most mafia lay low and don't really contribute to discussion though. And I still think they are inactive, but NOT as inactive as inactive town power roles tend to be.
That is why I usually start out by looking at posting list, and then the people right above the lowest ones. At least, that's my theory until something scummy happens.
Not voting is a big tell though, since voting is our strongest weapon against scum. The only way town wins is if we kill mafia, and the only way we can kill mafia is by lynching them.
Herego, we MUST lynch in order to win this game. Especially a small game, where there usually isn't a vigilante or serial killer to kill off people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 1:42:47 GMT -5
The first day is one of the most important for us in terms of a lynch. We don't have anything to go on, so we have to take a shot, because if we don't, we probably still won't have anything to go on for day 2, and we'll most likely be a man lighter.
Mafia isn't going to volunteer themselves to be lynched. Thus a shot in the dark here and there is a necessity.
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Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2013 1:52:06 GMT -5
I will go with the lynch side this time around.And yeh,and it will be a bling by the shot...but comes next day and will be the same thing if we don't lynch
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 6, 2013 7:53:57 GMT -5
I just don't like the mindset if letting scum live just because they're active. Yes, they can slip up, but I'd rather kill them off. ... but that's not really my point. My point being that an active player is more valuable then an inactive. If someone admits to being scum lynch them sure but most likely that won't happen and our first lynch is a shot in the dark. I'd rather us put pressure on inactives and make them become active or remove them if they don't bother to respond to allegations. Waiting for someone to make the smallest grammatical slip up that or make a bad accusation or defense and letting everyone pile on to that doesn't help either and look like they are helping town. It encourages inactivity so as not to draw the ire of the mob. As it is many townies try to avoid being seen as a threat so they aren't the night kill, when they are afraid of the day also it puts us in stasis. It also puts us in a narrow focus. We should all be suspicious of everyone and keep minds open to possibilities.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 6, 2013 7:58:45 GMT -5
EBWOP: Sorry my last paragraph was a mess from rewrites.
Waiting for someone to make the smallest grammatical slip up or a bad accusation or shady defense and letting everyone pile on to that and look like they are helping town when they haven't been contributing to discussion. It encourages inactivity so as not to draw the ire of the mob. As it is many townies try to avoid being seen as a threat so they aren't the night kill, when they are afraid of the day also it puts us in stasis. It also puts us in a narrow focus. We should all be suspicious of everyone and keep minds open to possibilities.
Let me reask my question, What criteria do the rest of you use for placing your FOS's at the beginning, when it's still shot in the dark time?
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RKTaker
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Post by RKTaker on Jan 6, 2013 8:47:42 GMT -5
I understand the killing inactive thing, and until recently I would have been on board with that line of thinking. However, last few games there has been replacements allowed. Kind of changes my thinking there. I still do think most mafia lay low and don't really contribute to discussion though. And I still think they are inactive, but NOT as inactive as inactive town power roles tend to be. That is why I usually start out by looking at posting list, and then the people right above the lowest ones. At least, that's my theory until something scummy happens. Not voting is a big tell though, since voting is our strongest weapon against scum. The only way town wins is if we kill mafia, and the only way we can kill mafia is by lynching them. Herego, we MUST lynch in order to win this game. Especially a small game, where there usually isn't a vigilante or serial killer to kill off people. i agree with that and we've got to be careful one wrong move and we might lynch a townie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 10:02:33 GMT -5
Artificial Human 20 Kami is Tough Enough 16 RKTaker 14 Mr Z Natural 9 BitW 8 ritt 6 Notorious 6 Produceman 5 Legend Double H! 5 Zack Morris Is Insane 4 SnS 3.0!! 3 Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz 2 nickcave 2
There's the post list as of now, to answer ritt's question, I'd go with character alignments before but now I'm more along the lines of looking scummy or not being as active as one should be.
Now, if we remove the not so scummy from that list and the actives we get this.
ritt 6 - For his comment about lynching a townie over a mafia. Legend Double H! 5 Zack Morris Is Insane 4 SnS 3.0!! 3 Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz 2 nickcave 2
Granted it's still day one and quite early but I'd like to hear from these guys before dropping any FOS's or even a vote.
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No Longer a Produceman
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jan 6, 2013 10:18:59 GMT -5
EBWOP: Sorry my last paragraph was a mess from rewrites. Waiting for someone to make the smallest grammatical slip up or a bad accusation or shady defense and letting everyone pile on to that and look like they are helping town when they haven't been contributing to discussion. It encourages inactivity so as not to draw the ire of the mob. As it is many townies try to avoid being seen as a threat so they aren't the night kill, when they are afraid of the day also it puts us in stasis. It also puts us in a narrow focus. We should all be suspicious of everyone and keep minds open to possibilities. Let me reask my question, What criteria do the rest of you use for placing your FOS's at the beginning, when it's still shot in the dark time? My criteria would be someone who likes to piggyback on others' ideas without adding anything themselves or someone that posts without adding anything substantial
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No Longer a Produceman
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jan 6, 2013 10:20:55 GMT -5
I understand the killing inactive thing, and until recently I would have been on board with that line of thinking. However, last few games there has been replacements allowed. Kind of changes my thinking there. I still do think most mafia lay low and don't really contribute to discussion though. And I still think they are inactive, but NOT as inactive as inactive town power roles tend to be. That is why I usually start out by looking at posting list, and then the people right above the lowest ones. At least, that's my theory until something scummy happens. Not voting is a big tell though, since voting is our strongest weapon against scum. The only way town wins is if we kill mafia, and the only way we can kill mafia is by lynching them. Herego, we MUST lynch in order to win this game. Especially a small game, where there usually isn't a vigilante or serial killer to kill off people. i agree with that and we've got to be careful one wrong move and we might lynch a townie To be fair, most day one lynches are townies. We can then analyze voting patterns and FoSes to try to get a better idea of who might be scum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 10:30:24 GMT -5
I hate that tomorrow night is the deadline and there are still people who haven't really said anything game related. Chances are there's a Mafia lurking there.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 6, 2013 10:53:14 GMT -5
Based on the post counts, i would skip the bottom two, and look at sns, me, and double h. Lodi and nick cave being inactive hurts town, and hopefully they get involved. But they are number 1 options for replacement.
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RKTaker
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Post by RKTaker on Jan 6, 2013 10:59:59 GMT -5
do you think that mason will be able to find four replacements he could barely get 13 people to join here
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 6, 2013 14:49:41 GMT -5
So what's the consensus at this point? Are we just going to take a shot in the dark and hope we get a mafia or what?
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MasonK565
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Post by MasonK565 on Jan 6, 2013 14:57:40 GMT -5
I should be able to find replacements, I have a few in mind. They have posted twice this day phase so I will not be replacing anyone.
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