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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 15, 2013 11:47:34 GMT -5
I'm starting to think with Miz that he suffers heavily from the Peter Principle. he was perfectly suited to his role as a midcard heel but he did such a great job that WWE was convinced he'd work as a main event level talent, which he just isn't suited to. his WWE title reign feels more like an aberration ala Jack Swagger or Great Khali ever time he has a segment. he's another victim of WWE's "everyone gets a title run" philosophy that ends up badly over-exposing guys who had no business as a world champ to begin with. once a guy has that belt, if he gets put back in the midcard it's a death sentence for most guys.
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Post by bones88 on Jan 15, 2013 12:53:39 GMT -5
well im glad im not the only one who thinks so and im a huge miz fan but he needs to stay heel
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 15, 2013 13:37:42 GMT -5
I'm starting to think with Miz that he suffers heavily from the Peter Principle. he was perfectly suited to his role as a midcard heel but he did such a great job that WWE was convinced he'd work as a main event level talent, which he just isn't suited to. his WWE title reign feels more like an aberration ala Jack Swagger or Great Khali ever time he has a segment. he's another victim of WWE's "everyone gets a title run" philosophy that ends up badly over-exposing guys who had no business as a world champ to begin with. once a guy has that belt, if he gets put back in the midcard it's a death sentence for most guys. But Miz is way more over than Swagger or Khali, and he actually carries himself like a top star, even if he's only being used as a pure jobber. And Miz doesn't really feel like a midcarder because WWE makes an active effort to put him on RAW/PPV all the time.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 15, 2013 13:40:41 GMT -5
I'm starting to think with Miz that he suffers heavily from the Peter Principle. he was perfectly suited to his role as a midcard heel but he did such a great job that WWE was convinced he'd work as a main event level talent, which he just isn't suited to. his WWE title reign feels more like an aberration ala Jack Swagger or Great Khali ever time he has a segment. he's another victim of WWE's "everyone gets a title run" philosophy that ends up badly over-exposing guys who had no business as a world champ to begin with. once a guy has that belt, if he gets put back in the midcard it's a death sentence for most guys. But Miz is way more over than Swagger or Khali, and he actually carries himself like a top star, even if he's only being used as a pure jobber. And Miz doesn't really feel like a midcarder because WWE makes an active effort to put him on RAW/PPV all the time. He might be more over than those guys, but he's a weak performer. His actual wrestling is solid enough, but he can't deliver in promos and angles. All of his non-wrestling segments are typically met with apathy.
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Post by HBL on Jan 15, 2013 13:45:34 GMT -5
But Miz is way more over than Swagger or Khali, and he actually carries himself like a top star, even if he's only being used as a pure jobber. And Miz doesn't really feel like a midcarder because WWE makes an active effort to put him on RAW/PPV all the time. He might be more over than those guys, but he's a weak performer. His actual wrestling is solid enough, but he can't deliver in promos and angles. All of his non-wrestling segments are typically met with apathy. He can't deliver in promos? The ones since he became face,maybe,but his heel promos were great for most of the time. And when was the last time he had an actual angle?
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 15, 2013 13:48:58 GMT -5
I'm a fan, and threads like this just tickle me pink because even though you hate him he already acknowledges that with his t-shirt ;D
Thanks Mizfits!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 15, 2013 13:54:51 GMT -5
The difference between Miz and Del Rio's face turns is that Miz is fighting for the fans and pandering to them whereas Del Rio is fighting for his friend and his heritage. So Del Rio's is more genuine while Miz's is too cheesy for comfort. I don't get what's so hard about WWE crafting his character. Austin barely changed from heel to face. Same with Rock. If he wants to pattern himself after them so badly why doesn't he act THE SAME as before (very serious, straight face, evil look, pushing I'M AWESOME) but getting in the face of heels instead. Seems like a simple formula to me. SRS Miz just wasn't The Miz. To me, cheesy and goofy is the real Miz. It's what made him initially famous on MTV. It's what got him over once he became a wrestler. If I can remember, everyone laughed at serious Miz and dismissed him just because of his weird facial expressions. Being the corny jokester face is an improvement for Miz's character.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 15, 2013 14:07:06 GMT -5
For some reason Miz thinks shouting every word and repeating things over and over again will get him over. I felt embarrassed for Flair in that bit. He's becoming the male Mae Young. I see now why was reluctant to take the WWE deal the first time.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 15, 2013 14:14:23 GMT -5
He might be more over than those guys, but he's a weak performer. His actual wrestling is solid enough, but he can't deliver in promos and angles. All of his non-wrestling segments are typically met with apathy. He can't deliver in promos? The ones since he became face,maybe,but his heel promos were great for most of the time. And when was the last time he had an actual angle? I never thought his heel promos were any good. Especially after he got to the main-event. He was like a kid at home pretending to be Chris Jericho. "I. Am. The. Most. Must. See. WWE Champion. Of. All. Time. Your. Local. Sports. Team. Sucks. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWESOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMME!". That pretty much sums up every Miz promo from 2010-2011.
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Post by HBL on Jan 15, 2013 14:55:16 GMT -5
He can't deliver in promos? The ones since he became face,maybe,but his heel promos were great for most of the time. And when was the last time he had an actual angle? I never thought his heel promos were any good. Especially after he got to the main-event. He was like a kid at home pretending to be Chris Jericho. "I. Am. The. Most. Must. See. WWE Champion. Of. All. Time. Your. Local. Sports. Team. Sucks. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWESOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMME!". That pretty much sums up every Miz promo from 2010-2011. The ''Most Must See'' line was actually good when he first won the title,but just like creative f***s up everything they do with The Miz,they did again and they still keep having him mention that. Though let's say that you didn't like that line in the first place,I still thought the majority of Miz's promos in that time period were still great. It's a matter of opinion of course,but those promos definitely weren't just about those lines you said. Did the lines get repetitive? Yes. But the other things he said and all those promos he cut in 2010-2011 period have solidified Miz as an excellent mic worker in my eyes.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 15, 2013 14:58:15 GMT -5
Miz and Cena, to me, both suffer from this thing where as babyfaces it seems they are both doing their versions of being like The Rock on the mic and they can't pull off. Really, nobody can, but it hasn't seemed to stop them from trying.
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 15, 2013 15:04:45 GMT -5
The face Miz is just another in a long line of potential Cena-replacements for the future-- they want a corporate yes-man who will go on all the talk shows and hype every ppv and I daresay The Miz is the best one they've got for the job at this point.
Much better than Sheamus at least, let's all agree to that much at least.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jan 15, 2013 15:18:47 GMT -5
He might be more over than those guys, but he's a weak performer. His actual wrestling is solid enough, but he can't deliver in promos and angles. All of his non-wrestling segments are typically met with apathy. He can't deliver in promos? The ones since he became face,maybe,but his heel promos were great for most of the time. And when was the last time he had an actual angle? I think you're overrating his heel ability hugely. Can you name 1 heel Miz promo (without looking up) that has stuck with you or a quote besides a catchphrase? I certainly cant and theres plenty of guys who I dont necessarily care for who I can remember being exceptional. Im not saying he was bad as a heel, it was just easier for him. Right now, Miz is showing that he's still got a lot of developing to do in the character department. He's already proven me wrong and shown that he can be a legitimate player in the business, but I have never used the word "great" in conjunction with anything that Miz has ever done. IMO his run as champ was an attempt to make him a bigger star. They succeeded in that, but he's not taken off like they expected him to and I think that is on him more than the E espc in repect to being a face. I think he has physical limitations and needs something in his character to overcome that, a heel cheats, a face doesn't. I believe Daniel Bryan can beat anyone in the E when he was a face, but I dont feel the same way about Miz and it has nothing to do with wrestling ability. Just listen to his delivery as a face. He reminds me of the guy at trade shows or infomercials who want people to come see his new product. Its grating and gets old super-fast. He's Hoorah-Miz in a nice suit. Thats one thing I really like about Miz. He wears some really sharp suits.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 15, 2013 15:22:34 GMT -5
Sharp suits? ![](http://www.wwe.com/f/wysiwyg/image/2011/09/miz_gear_268.jpg)
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jan 15, 2013 15:31:49 GMT -5
Sharp suits? ![](http://www.wwe.com/f/wysiwyg/image/2011/09/miz_gear_268.jpg) Well, obviously not all lol
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Post by HBL on Jan 15, 2013 15:32:26 GMT -5
He can't deliver in promos? The ones since he became face,maybe,but his heel promos were great for most of the time. And when was the last time he had an actual angle? I think you're overrating his heel ability hugely. Can you name 1 heel Miz promo (without looking up) that has stuck with you or a quote besides a catchphrase? I certainly cant and theres plenty of guys who I dont necessarily care for who I can remember being exceptional. Im not saying he was bad as a heel, it was just easier for him. Right now, Miz is showing that he's still got a lot of developing to do in the character department. He's already proven me wrong and shown that he can be a legitimate player in the business, but I have never used the word "great" in conjunction with anything that Miz has ever done. IMO his run as champ was an attempt to make him a bigger star. They succeeded in that, but he's not taken off like they expected him to and I think that is on him more than the E espc in repect to being a face. I think he has physical limitations and needs something in his character to overcome that, a heel cheats, a face doesn't. I believe Daniel Bryan can beat anyone in the E when he was a face, but I dont feel the same way about Miz and it has nothing to do with wrestling ability. Just listen to his delivery as a face. He reminds me of the guy at trade shows or infomercials who want people to come see his new product. Its grating and gets old super-fast. He's Hoorah-Miz in a nice suit. Thats one thing I really like about Miz. He wears some really sharp suits. Off the top of my head: His locker room promo during the MVP feud,his first promo as WWE champion,the ''magazine cover'' promo...
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 15, 2013 18:12:39 GMT -5
Much better than Sheamus at least, let's all agree to that much at least. Hell no. I'm not a fan of Sheamus's comedy stylings either but it's not anywhere near as bad as Miz.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 15, 2013 18:19:05 GMT -5
Much better than Sheamus at least, let's all agree to that much at least. Hell no. I'm not a fan of Sheamus's comedy stylings either but it's not anywhere near as bad as Miz. I can't agree either. At least with Sheamus you can count on him to put on a quality match when needed.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 15, 2013 18:41:37 GMT -5
Miz has no juice, and It's even more evident when you compare him with so many other guys who are just nailing their interviews right now. That's why I always felt he was overrated. When he rose through the ranks he was getting more mic time than anyone not named Cena or Cole, so he stood out. But now with guys like Sandow, Rhodes, Ambrose, Bryan and others getting mic time, Miz is getting smoked.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jan 15, 2013 18:48:12 GMT -5
He's atrocious. I just don't think Miz can BE face, he's just too unlikeable. When he first arrived in WWE as a face he was terrible, but I'd say he's even worse now because we're supposed to think he's a big deal.
That Miz/Flair segment was one of the worst things I've ever seen in wrestling. It wasn't just bad. It was depressing.
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