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Post by Orange on Jan 20, 2013 14:50:31 GMT -5
I had watched this a lot when I was younger, but I never really paid attention to the story. Just watched it again and WOW, what a great film.
Great story and a great mix of action and more romantic elements - I really, really enjoyed it, nostalgia aside (which isn't too much because I didn't have a huge attachment to the film).
So, FAN, what are your thoughts on the film? I know it's pretty well loved - but how do you feel about it and how would you rank it with the live action films over the years?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 14:55:55 GMT -5
Probably the pinnacle of the B:TAS series - and that's saying something.
It made barely nothing at the box office, sadly. As this was right in the middle of the gap of the Burton and Schumacher eras, WB coulda put some effort into promoting this a bit more. Thankfully, the Timmverse never really suffered from it, and we still talk about and cherish it today.
Also, I recall reviewers at the time looking at Mark Hamill's Joker and really not getting it. I was baffled, offended and amused.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jan 20, 2013 15:03:10 GMT -5
Great film, most underrated Batman film, in my opinion. It's almost forgotten about on terms of the main stream. I feel in hindsight that if released in this era instead that it would've been more successful.
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Post by dav on Jan 20, 2013 15:03:58 GMT -5
I really didn't care for it a great deal. I honestly think it would have been a much stronger story if Joker hadn't been involved at all and they had instead focused on the mystery.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 20, 2013 15:17:36 GMT -5
I honestly thought, and still think, it's probably the strongest Batman movie released in theaters ever. I saw it in theaters and remember just being blown away by what I was watching. The story itself is solid, and it's true the Joker feels a little tacked on, but it's all worth it for that scene at the end, that laugh, good lord. It still gives me chills when I re-watch that movie.
It's really frustrating in hindsight, now that I'm older, looking back and learning all the issues with the movie. That WB barely promoted it, that it didn't do too well and that honestly it was probably ahead of it's time in terms of the critics' reception to it. Many of which thought it weird that it wasn't more kid friendly and joky since it was a cartoon movie, and bashed it for being more highbrow & intelligently written. Had it been released in the last decade, I think it might've been better received.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 20, 2013 15:26:26 GMT -5
Probably my second favorite theatrical Batman behind TDK. The one strike against it, IMO, is how glaringly obvious it gradually becomes as to who Phantasm is- but everything else is well executed.
And the love theme is kickass:
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 20, 2013 15:36:33 GMT -5
Really stupid decision by WB to release the film in theaters on such short notice. I see this as the definitive Batman. Batman is a detective in this movie who's trying to solve a mystery. It surprises me that they haven't gone the detective route in the live action movies. I'd like to see how that would be done.
I really like this movie, however, I personally prefer the direct-to-video Sub-Zero.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 20, 2013 15:37:50 GMT -5
I still think Under the Red Hood is the best animated Batman movie, but I love this movie to death nonetheless.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 20, 2013 15:53:31 GMT -5
I still think Under the Red Hood is the best animated Batman movie, but I love this movie to death nonetheless. Only thing that lowers Red Hood, for me, is the performance and design of the Joker. Felt it was a little underwhelming in an otherwise stellar offering from DC's animated side.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 20, 2013 16:04:38 GMT -5
Mixed feelings on it, even as a kid. The story is great, but TAS had already delved heavily into Batman's backstory, and this suddenly I trodu Ed a whole slew of new elements that the series had never mentioned, and never acknowledged afterward. I understand the darker, more mature tone of the film, but part of the greatness of TAS was that it do perfectly bridged the mature with the childish, throwing in moments of levity or imparting an important message. This movie went too far in one direction, disrupting that balance. And finally they introduce an awesome looking new villain-and give it the least screen time of any character and never use it for TAS again. A mixed bag.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 20, 2013 17:56:06 GMT -5
its a fantastic movie and the story they try to tell is pretty adult and they do a great job
hearing Dini and Hamil talk about the marketing of this film in their Fatman on Batman appearances is just confusing, its like Warners saw a preview got all high on it then couldnt work out what to do with it
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 20, 2013 18:58:15 GMT -5
It is certainly the best film to portray Batman as a detective. Sure TDK had him do some crime scene investigating, but that's about it.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 20, 2013 19:18:37 GMT -5
I still think Under the Red Hood is the best animated Batman movie, but I love this movie to death nonetheless. Only thing that lowers Red Hood, for me, is the performance and design of the Joker. Felt it was a little underwhelming in an otherwise stellar offering from DC's animated side. I thought making Joker an older and more beat up version of himself was good for the reality they were going for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 19:23:53 GMT -5
Only thing that lowers Red Hood, for me, is the performance and design of the Joker. Felt it was a little underwhelming in an otherwise stellar offering from DC's animated side. I thought making Joker an older and more beat up version of himself was good for the reality they were going for. Also, I like that John DiMaggio tried his own spin on the character and wasn't just trying to recreate Hamill.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 20, 2013 19:26:02 GMT -5
See, I thought they were trying too hard to riff TDK Joker's look, personally. And, I felt John's performance was meh when compared to most other actors that have played The Joker. I respect trying to do your own thing, but there's trying to do your own thing with a character, and then just not being the character. I always felt his performance fell into the latter, I never believed he was The Joker. He seemed more like a guy cosplaying Ledger's Joker.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 20, 2013 19:31:36 GMT -5
See, I thought they were trying too hard to riff TDK Joker's look, personally. And, I felt John's performance was meh when compared to most other actors that have played The Joker. I respect trying to do your own thing, but there's trying to do your own thing with a character, and then just not being the character. I always felt his performance fell into the latter, I never believed he was The Joker. He seemed more like a guy cosplaying Ledger's Joker. when i saw DiMaggio at a con last year when people were getting him to do certain voices he said he couldnt recreate the Joker voice live because he had to prepare and go to a very dark place to be able to preform that voice, i thought it was an ok performance a lot better than Brent Spinner on Young Justice
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 20, 2013 19:35:41 GMT -5
See, I thought they were trying too hard to riff TDK Joker's look, personally. And, I felt John's performance was meh when compared to most other actors that have played The Joker. I respect trying to do your own thing, but there's trying to do your own thing with a character, and then just not being the character. I always felt his performance fell into the latter, I never believed he was The Joker. He seemed more like a guy cosplaying Ledger's Joker. I get that, but I still think he was basically an older, grizzled Joker. He sort of fit in with Bruce/Batman being the more mature/older sounding Bruce Greenwood, and Black Mask just being insane/off the wall. I do think Jensen Ackles gave the best voice performance in it though (especially the final scene with him/Batman/Joker).
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 20, 2013 19:41:32 GMT -5
See, I thought they were trying too hard to riff TDK Joker's look, personally. And, I felt John's performance was meh when compared to most other actors that have played The Joker. I respect trying to do your own thing, but there's trying to do your own thing with a character, and then just not being the character. I always felt his performance fell into the latter, I never believed he was The Joker. He seemed more like a guy cosplaying Ledger's Joker. I get that, but I still think he was basically an older, grizzled Joker. He sort of fit in with Bruce/Batman being the more mature/older sounding Bruce Greenwood, and Black Mask just being insane/off the wall. I do think Jensen Ackles gave the best voice performance in it though (especially the final scene with him/Batman/Joker). Agreed, Jensen hit that out of the freakin' park. Man was born to play Red Hood era Jason Todd. And, I whole heartedly agree with you, Evilution E5150, we don't speak of that performance in my house hold.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 21, 2013 1:25:53 GMT -5
I remember wanting to see MotP so bad as a kid. It was Batman: TAS The Movie for crying out loud! It wouldn't be for years that I saw it, but it was worth it. The Joker was a little tacked on, but did we really expect a theatrical animated Batman movie without him? Plus, considering the Phantasm's true identity, it had to have a true villain, and The Joker fit the bill.
To my knowledge, the reason it was under-advertised was because it was first intended as a straight-to-video release, but the execs got a look at it and felt that was aiming too low. Problem was, it was done in such short terms as it was rushed into theaters. Come to think of it, it's basically the predecessor to the DTV DC Animated stuff, much of which would make for decent theatrical fare in my opinion.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 21, 2013 1:54:23 GMT -5
Loved it. Joker's interactions with his robot wife are hilarious.
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