cactussam
Bubba Ho-Tep
The Greatest United States Champion of All Time! Because this building is apropos!
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Post by cactussam on Dec 17, 2005 14:25:08 GMT -5
He is not that great in the ring. Sure his matches with JERICHO and ANGLE are good because those are two of the best. I present to you his Wrestlemania Title match with JBL.
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Post by amsiraK on Dec 17, 2005 14:31:32 GMT -5
Some guys are funny, some are serious, some are intense, some are laid back. But you need to pick one. The promos they give him to cut in the ring are grasping at straws. It's "be the rock on the mic, Hogan in the ring, with Austin's attitude towareds any authority That's it right there. He's like the Poochy of the WWE. A mish mash of stuff creative thinks is cool with the kids. How long before they have him skateboarding to the ring? The Doctor of Thugonomics was a good character. He had the best mic work on the roster at the time and even his ring work was better. The crowd was behind THAT character. Some fans are still loyal because of what he was, not what he is. It's just taking them longer to realize how much they've changed him. They always do this with a popular anti hero character-with Piper, Brett, Austin, etc. The only time it's worked is with the Rock. Exactly. It never works the way it should.
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The OP
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
changed his name
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Post by The OP on Dec 17, 2005 15:30:18 GMT -5
(off topic). I'm such a dork, I laughed out loud when I read "a Karisma's carol"
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Post by sigmundfreud on Dec 17, 2005 15:33:49 GMT -5
Nah. Cena has sucked in EVERY persona he has taken on.....from the "Dr. of Thugonomics" to "Invincible White Boy of Death".
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Post by warriorthug4cena on Dec 17, 2005 16:49:27 GMT -5
When you see certian wrestlers like John Cena forced to have to be wrestling the WWE style, you can look at him and know he is capable of doing way bettrer than what they are having him do. It's a fact. John fits into that category. He has it. Guerrero, Beniot...they didn't have it. The lamest and mostoverrated mid carders don't have it. John Cena does, his character doesn't suck. He is awesome. He's got incredible talent and ability now, just as he did when he was Prototype. John Cena is all the more an icon because of his great mannerisims and character.He is great and I appreciate that his character is entertaining and not dull or boring. His promos aren't played out and he doesn't do the same thing repeatedly, they're absolutely brilliant. His promos demonstrate his natural charisma and his clever ad-libbing. He shows better, more improved, greater in- ring work during his matches along with the superb mic skills he utilizes.
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Post by sigmundfreud on Dec 17, 2005 17:03:59 GMT -5
When you see certian wrestlers like John Cena forced to have to be wrestling the WWE style, you can look at him and know he is capable of doing way bettrer than what they are having him do. It's a fact. John fits into that category. He has it. Guerrero, Beniot...they didn't have it. The lamest and mostoverrated mid carders don't have it. John Cena does, his character doesn't suck. He is awesome. He's got incredible talent and ability now, just as he did when he was Prototype. John Cena is all the more an icon because of his great mannerisims and character.He is great and I appreciate that his character is entertaining and not dull or boring. His promos aren't played out and he doesn't do the same thing repeatedly, they're absolutely brilliant. His promos demonstrate his natural charisma and his clever ad-libbing. He shows better, more improved, greater in- ring work during his matches along with the superb mic skills he utilizes. I pray to the God of my choice that the above is sarcasm.
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Post by amsiraK on Dec 17, 2005 17:10:05 GMT -5
(off topic). I'm such a dork, I laughed out loud when I read "a Karisma's carol" It's good to know I still got it. ;D And the argument that Cena has "it" while guys like Guerrero and Benoit don't... OK, you lost me there. And, let me slip on the Mod sweater for a mo' and do a little preventative maintenance - it's fine to like or not like someone. But don't troll for fights to amuse yourself. I'm not saying that's what's happening, but... I'm just saying.
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Post by sigmundfreud on Dec 17, 2005 17:29:17 GMT -5
CONGRATULATIONS, KARISMA; YOU ARE THE MOONMASTER!
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Hiroshi Hase
Patti Mayonnaise
The Good Ol' Days
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 17, 2005 18:44:34 GMT -5
When you see certian wrestlers like John Cena forced to have to be wrestling the WWE style, you can look at him and know he is capable of doing way bettrer than what they are having him do. It's a fact. John fits into that category. He has it. Guerrero, Beniot...they didn't have it. The lamest and mostoverrated mid carders don't have it. John Cena does, his character doesn't suck. He is awesome. He's got incredible talent and ability now, just as he did when he was Prototype. John Cena is all the more an icon because of his great mannerisims and character.He is great and I appreciate that his character is entertaining and not dull or boring. His promos aren't played out and he doesn't do the same thing repeatedly, they're absolutely brilliant. His promos demonstrate his natural charisma and his clever ad-libbing. He shows better, more improved, greater in- ring work during his matches along with the superb mic skills he utilizes. Wow, are you his girlfriend or mother or something? Geez, we get that you like him, but him more over than Guerrero, not a chance. Benoit, maybe, but not Eddie. Seems like you are either a troll, or you are a hardcore blind Cena fan who just can't accept that fact not everyone likes him, or maybe both. Let it go, already, damn.
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Post by warriorthug4cena on Dec 17, 2005 19:10:25 GMT -5
John Cena's a great worker in the ring, has demonstrated that he's fully capable of incorporating new moves and is able to do submission,brawling and a more technical style. He's got great mic talent, does ad-libbing, his skits are funny and entertaining. He delivers intelligent promos as well as not seeming forced or clumsy in the ring. John Cena's superb and has cat-like fluid agility and does do moves such as dropkicks, leg sweeps,STF,belly to belly, DDT, bulldog, backbreaker,body tackle,bodyslam,clothesline,leapfrog,armdrag,armlock, headlock, double axehandle off the top rope,flying shoulderblock,etc. Depending on who the opponent is, he has to wrestle them differently. He's incredibly explosive in the ring so much so that he just overwhelms his opponents.
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Post by maxx420 on Dec 17, 2005 19:17:19 GMT -5
John Cena's a great worker in the ring, has demonstrated that he's fully capable of incorporating new moves and is able to do submission,brawling and a more technical style. He's got great mic talent, does ad-libbing, his skits are funny and entertaining. He delivers intelligent promos as well as not seeming forced or clumsy in the ring. John Cena's superb and has cat-like fluid agility and does do moves such as dropkicks, leg sweeps,STF,belly to belly, DDT, bulldog, backbreaker,body tackle,bodyslam,clothesline,leapfrog,armdrag,armlock, headlock, double axehandle off the top rope,flying shoulderblock,etc. Depending on who the opponent is, he has to wrestle them differently. He's incredibly explosive in the ring so much so that he just overwhelms his opponents. Hoo-Hoo! Stop it, please! Yer Killin' me!
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Post by amsiraK on Dec 17, 2005 19:32:45 GMT -5
Y'know, I really wish someone would tell me when it's Opposite Day...
I like Cena *ducking tomatoes and chairs thrown*, but even I can tell you that he's not fluid in the ring.
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Bedlam LadyD
Samurai Cop
Is a WSX Cupcake. BOOOOOOOM!!
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Post by Bedlam LadyD on Dec 17, 2005 21:22:29 GMT -5
I think I love you for this comment.
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therob
Hank Scorpio
Mcginley to Slim's O'neil
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Post by therob on Dec 17, 2005 21:45:30 GMT -5
John Cena's a great worker in the ring, has demonstrated that he's fully capable of incorporating new moves and is able to do submission,brawling and a more technical style. He's got great mic talent, does ad-libbing, his skits are funny and entertaining. He delivers intelligent promos as well as not seeming forced or clumsy in the ring. John Cena's superb and has cat-like fluid agility and does do moves such as dropkicks, leg sweeps,STF,belly to belly, DDT, bulldog, backbreaker,body tackle,bodyslam,clothesline,leapfrog,armdrag,armlock, headlock, double axehandle off the top rope,flying shoulderblock,etc. Depending on who the opponent is, he has to wrestle them differently. He's incredibly explosive in the ring so much so that he just overwhelms his opponents. We get it you love cena unnaturally. you notice all of the moves you mentioned are extremely basic wrestling moves. double axe handle off the top hardly constitutes a great wrestling ability. and one stu is not technical prowess. his promos aren't smart there 5 minutes of gay jokes. also i remember a promo he did where he made gay jokes about everyone like saying stuff about the big shows wiener and everybody's junk. but the one person he does not mention about there parts was Lita. that says I'm out of the closet.
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Post by warriorthug4cena on Dec 17, 2005 22:03:43 GMT -5
Cena can very well put on good matches and be feuding with Triple H. Cena has what it takes to put on good matches. His determination and ruthless aggression, naturally powerful athleticisim are what allow him to defeat JBL,Christian, Jericho,HBK,Angle,Masters. He is good in the ring and is more than just a guy with three moves. He has fought good opponents and defeated them.
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therob
Hank Scorpio
Mcginley to Slim's O'neil
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Post by therob on Dec 17, 2005 22:07:28 GMT -5
you ignored what i said every move you mentioned is an extremely basic maneuver.
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Post by warriorthug4cena on Dec 17, 2005 22:30:16 GMT -5
You ignored what I said as well. None of the moves I mentioned earlier are easy to pull off, and require a great amount of strength,power and agility. The STF John Cena does shows that he's got technical capability. His promos are smart and intelligent, with excellent ad-lib skills.
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therob
Hank Scorpio
Mcginley to Slim's O'neil
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Post by therob on Dec 17, 2005 22:50:57 GMT -5
I didn't ignore what you said i told you one stf does not make you a technical wizard. until he does the cattle mutilation (American dragons finisher) then I'll say he is a technical wrestler.DDT does not take tremendous strength. my mom could do a DDT. double axehandle off the top is possibly the simplest move of all time next to a sleeper hold. and like i said his promos are 5 minutes of gay jokes.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 17, 2005 23:15:09 GMT -5
When you see certian wrestlers like John Cena forced to have to be wrestling the WWE style, you can look at him and know he is capable of doing way bettrer than what they are having him do. It's a fact. John fits into that category. He has it. Guerrero, Beniot...they didn't have it. The lamest and mostoverrated mid carders don't have it. John Cena does, his character doesn't suck. He is awesome. He's got incredible talent and ability now, just as he did when he was Prototype. John Cena is all the more an icon because of his great mannerisims and character.He is great and I appreciate that his character is entertaining and not dull or boring. His promos aren't played out and he doesn't do the same thing repeatedly, they're absolutely brilliant. His promos demonstrate his natural charisma and his clever ad-libbing. He shows better, more improved, greater in- ring work during his matches along with the superb mic skills he utilizes. OK, I'm trying to catch up with the thread, but this confused, amused, and then pissed me off. Cena ha IT becaue he doesn't do the same thing repeatedly? Promos unique? Benoit and Eddie didn't have IT? Cena's promos USED TO BE original, with little repetitiveness. Now, he has his catch phrases and, while he may re-word some jokes, the jokes themselves are the same, aimed at the lowest commond denominator. He's an uber-face by force. Benoit doesn't have the greatest personalit, but gets over with what he does in the ring. Eddie had it in the ring, and most anyone will tell you was possibly the best not just at talking, but pushing an angle with nothing more than a facial expression. He's all the more of an icon because of his mannerisms? What mannerisms? I'll name them, and I'm being serious. he's got the confused look he gets when Maria interviews him, the five knuckle shuffle dance, the hadn wavy bit, and a fist pumping thing. Facial expression wise, I put him at average, given the facial expression selling of others on the card. It's just my opinion on that. Promos demonstrate his clever ad-libbing? They used to, I've said that But now? What ad-libbing? It's a documented FACT that WWE Creative GIVES him his promos, word-for-word, before he goes out there. They do that with almost everyone, save a select few. Everyone he feuds with, the proms you can COUNT the number of eiterh dick references (almost everyone), gay references (see his promo on Show, Edge, HBK, and Carlito), or the thankfully lessening poop jokes. Once again, Idon't blame the man John Cena, it's not his fault (or Snitsky's) that he has a living to make. He does what is asked of him, but that doesn't mean I have to heap praise on it.
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Rocky Angle
Unicron
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Post by Rocky Angle on Dec 18, 2005 0:00:04 GMT -5
Ah god just ignore this guy. He's a troll. Think about it. If he's saying this shit to annoy us, he's a troll. If he's genuine, then he's a f***ing retard. I don't understand why everyone is taking him so seriously.
I don't understand why I'm typing this post out, giving him exactly what he wants- a response.
I thought when I got back home tonight I could check out what's going on in the world of Cena bashing, and be satisfyed that there are wrestling fans who don't buy the lame shit that is being pushed as the current WWE champion, but instead I seee this troll giving his usual schtick about how amazing Cena is, and otherwise intelligent people actually giving him the time of day.
I'm breaking my own rules here by acknowledging him yet again but this shit needs to stop. Ignore warriorthug4cena- he's either a joke account or a mentally retarded child who doesn't realise that wrestling is a work.
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