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Post by Abdullah on Feb 2, 2013 13:09:26 GMT -5
They needed to completely overhaul him, but instead they've brought him back as exactly the same guy... THere's really nothing wrong with Swagger. He just needs a few solid matches with the right opponent to be seen as credible again. I think Swagger is another Jericho-like figure who can seamlessly work on all levels of the card. I don't think the worry about him is in the ring, though I would be interested to see how he wrestles as a face. For me at least, he's dangerously close to being as stale as Del Rio was as a heel. My issue is his character.
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Post by r. on Feb 2, 2013 13:15:50 GMT -5
my reaction
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 2, 2013 13:17:08 GMT -5
THere's really nothing wrong with Swagger. He just needs a few solid matches with the right opponent to be seen as credible again. I think Swagger is another Jericho-like figure who can seamlessly work on all levels of the card. I don't think the worry about him is in the ring, though I would be interested to see how he wrestles as a face. For me at least, he's dangerously close to being as stale as Del Rio was as a heel. My issue is his character. Maybe he could work as a face, but with Miz and Del Rio turning, Swagger is needed as a heel at this point. Someone else has to turn heel first before they even think about making Swagger face.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 13:31:30 GMT -5
I don't think the worry about him is in the ring, though I would be interested to see how he wrestles as a face. For me at least, he's dangerously close to being as stale as Del Rio was as a heel. My issue is his character. Maybe he could work as a face, but with Miz and Del Rio turning, Swagger is needed as a heel at this point. Someone else has to turn heel first before they even think about making Swagger face. Orton and/or Kofi?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 2, 2013 13:34:57 GMT -5
There's one other thing about Swagger as a face.
Swagger is a 270 lb hoss who that actually has technical mat wrestling ability. As a heel, he makes a great obstacle to overcome, but as a face, he would, and SHOULD be overpowered and nearly invincible. I wouldn't be able to buy him playing an underdog to anyone.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 2, 2013 13:40:04 GMT -5
There's one other thing about Swagger as a face. Swagger is a 270 lb hoss who that actually has technical mat wrestling ability. As a heel, he makes a great obstacle to overcome, but as a face, he would, and SHOULD be overpowered and nearly invincible. I wouldn't be able to buy him playing an underdog to anyone. That's part of the intrigue for me as well. He's not Ryback, an almost robotic monster. He's not Henry or Show or even Brodus - he's just a guy bigger than most on the roster and I think they could actually do quite a bit with him if they ever concede he's done as a heel.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 2, 2013 13:52:16 GMT -5
There's one other thing about Swagger as a face. Swagger is a 270 lb hoss who that actually has technical mat wrestling ability. As a heel, he makes a great obstacle to overcome, but as a face, he would, and SHOULD be overpowered and nearly invincible. I wouldn't be able to buy him playing an underdog to anyone. That's part of the intrigue for me as well. He's not Ryback, an almost robotic monster. He's not Henry or Show or even Brodus - he's just a guy bigger than most on the roster and I think they could actually do quite a bit with him if they ever concede he's done as a heel. Most of the face wrestlers give up some sort of disadvantage that allows the heel to look like a threat. - Miz is a small guy with limited technical ability. - Zack Ryder is a somewhat faster small guy, but in ring wise, doesn't think outside of the box all that much and has a mostly generic moveset. - John Cena has "superhuman strength", but "limited skills and ability" and short stature put him at a disadvantage - Brodus Clay is a monster who can move quickly, but can be outwrestled by a more skilled opponent. - Alex Riley is a decent sized individual who relies on his explosive power, speed, agility, and minor high flying ability, but he isn't much of a "grappler" and can be overpowered by much bigger opponents or anyone quick enough to avoid his moves. - Kofi Kingston has an unorthodox, high flying style, and he too can be countered by someone who can avoid him. - Ryback being a robotic monster, is actually something that makes him somewhat vulnerable. He could get himself DQ'd by being too aggressive, or he can hurt himself by running into things like the ring post, or tables. I think face Swagger would HAVE to be a worse Superman than Cena otherwise it would scream FAKE
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Feb 2, 2013 13:56:44 GMT -5
I enjoyed his return personally.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 2, 2013 14:02:13 GMT -5
That's part of the intrigue for me as well. He's not Ryback, an almost robotic monster. He's not Henry or Show or even Brodus - he's just a guy bigger than most on the roster and I think they could actually do quite a bit with him if they ever concede he's done as a heel. Most of the face wrestlers give up some sort of disadvantage that allows the heel to look like a threat. - Miz is a small guy with limited technical ability. - Zack Ryder is a somewhat faster small guy, but in ring wise, doesn't think outside of the box all that much and has a mostly generic moveset. - John Cena has "superhuman strength", but "limited skills and ability" and short stature put him at a disadvantage - Brodus Clay is a monster who can move quickly, but can be outwrestled by a more skilled opponent. - Alex Riley is a decent sized individual who relies on his explosive power, speed, agility, and minor high flying ability, but he isn't much of a "grappler" and can be overpowered by much bigger opponents or anyone quick enough to avoid his moves. - Kofi Kingston has an unorthodox, high flying style, and he too can be countered by someone who can avoid him. - Ryback being a robotic monster, is actually something that makes him somewhat vulnerable. He could get himself DQ'd by being too aggressive, or he can hurt himself by running into things like the ring post, or tables. I think face Swagger would HAVE to be a worse Superman than Cena otherwise it would scream FAKE There certainly could be a weakness to him, as generic as attacking a body part to slow him down or involving his family in some way. Either would be more beneficial than giving him a standard 'return heel' push. I do like your way of breaking it down though. Even if I'm tempted to let my bias show and say that Clay's weakness is being an unover comedy character and a poor wrestler who won't amount to anything in his current incarnation.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 2, 2013 16:09:01 GMT -5
To make an impact, Swagger needed Paul Heyman to bring him back as a ruthless and silent monster killer, to aid SHIELD, probably at the next PPV where he would cause the faces to lose. I'm imagining Paul Heyman saying "JACK SWAGGER!" in that "BRAWK LESNAR" way and I audibly laughed. His name has always been dumb. It's better suited for a cocky character, not a lumbering moron with a lisp and vacant look in his eyes.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 2, 2013 16:19:01 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of Swagger. When he's taken seriously (not often) he honestly looks like someone who can straight up kill people.
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Post by AnActualBear on Feb 2, 2013 18:00:12 GMT -5
Jack Swagger. Live microphone. STOP THIS PLEASE.
Also lose the beard and change the haircut, halfway through his match he looked like the Nicholas Cage bird meme.
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Post by Mike Wooster on Feb 2, 2013 18:08:35 GMT -5
He needs a mask to cover his unfortunate puss and a manager to cover his even more unfortunate speech impediment. Then I'd buy him as a legit monster heel.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 2, 2013 18:45:57 GMT -5
HE needs a heel tactic aside from the random screaming during matches
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 2, 2013 20:19:14 GMT -5
See to me, the lisp adds to rather than takes away from the character. And I don't know people think hesnot a cocky character..his whole persona has always been athletic meathead douchebag with all the cockiness therein.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 2, 2013 21:12:56 GMT -5
Swaggie is ready brother.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 2, 2013 21:23:56 GMT -5
I don't midn the beard,but oh swaggie
The hair,BY GOD ,GET A DECENT HAIRCUT AGAIN!His first look was awesome.....maybe that is why they changed for him being heel.
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