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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 8:33:43 GMT -5
God, what a great article. I'd always wondered why Nigel never made it into WWE. I knew he was possibly coming in w/ DBD, then he just wasn't, then he was in TNA. While I would've liked to have seen Vince/WWE help with the surgery, he's not obligated to do so (I don't think). Plus, Linda's not just some random person, it's his wife. In response to this and to thetimetraveler's post, Vince's net worth is listed as 1.1 billion dollars. So six thousand to him is like a nickel to you or I. Just as a visual aid, I'm going to type out the two totals here with all of the zeroes. $1 100 000 000.00 vs. 6 000.00. Vince has been willing to spend what to him is chump change before. He was willing to give money to ECW just to ensure that it continued to be a thorn in WCW's side. It would have been very, very easy for Vince to have helped Nigel out here. But instead, he and his cronies said to Nigel "We want you to be a WWE superstar. Here's all of this money you'll be making and...oh, WHOOPS, looks like you've got a torn bicep! Well, we want you to get that fixed, and we want you to pay OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET! No, we won't pay for it and, no, we won't be content to just take it out of your future salary. Either YOU pay for it, or we don't want you, and you can hit the bricks without even an apology from us about getting your hopes up!" It's really easy to spend other people's money.
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Post by BitterAF on Feb 16, 2013 10:21:58 GMT -5
It's been a few days since I read the article, but it sounded like Nigel wasn't interested in having surgery. I like to think if he did sign, he would be doing what Cesaro is doing now.
Also, another random though was if Nigel for Hep B while in TNA, who did he get it from?
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Post by Burst on Feb 16, 2013 10:53:06 GMT -5
I thought X-Pac, but didn't he have Hep-C? I keep forgetting about the Band's brief run in 2010 but I don't think any of them bled. Unless Nigel was still taking Indy bookings.
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Post by aaronslip on Feb 17, 2013 14:50:37 GMT -5
Nigel is kind of like this generations Dynamite kid in a lot of ways. He just seems to be a nicer person.
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Post by Clawley Race on Feb 17, 2013 15:42:21 GMT -5
As easy as it is for some people to say Vince should have paid for the surgery...
The WWE was basically saying Nigel could have his dream job and the best possible job in his profession if he just invested a little bit of money in himself.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Feb 17, 2013 15:47:08 GMT -5
As easy as it is for some people to say Vince should have paid for the surgery... The WWE was basically saying Nigel could have his dream job and the best possible job in his profession if he just invested a little bit of money in himself. It wasn't just the E saying that. Just change "of money" to "more", and a lot of people were saying the same thing about Nigel. It really is a shame what personal demons in reflection to hardships can do to a person, and their dream.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 17, 2013 17:48:49 GMT -5
One criticism if Nigel is that he may have been TOO focused on making millions of dollars and getting famous. In that respect, he wasn't being realistic at all.
Seriously, what indie wrestler getting into the business these days thinking they'll make good money?
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 17, 2013 18:07:26 GMT -5
One criticism if Nigel is that he may have been TOO focused on making millions of dollars and getting famous. In that respect, he wasn't being realistic at all. Seriously, what indie wrestler getting into the business these days thinking they'll make good money? The guys who want to make the big time; if they let those visions drive them, they're more likely to take the craft seriously, more likely to sacrifice, more likely to train like mad. And it's a big reason the business is so incredibly messed up right now: your chances of "hitting it big" are so remote, and by some fluke or some other person's whim, it could vanish in an instant. Such an unhealthy reality.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 17, 2013 18:22:36 GMT -5
I do understand being driven, but there's also setting yourself up for disappointment.
Even if he HAD gotten signed he could have easily went the same way as Kizarny or Colt Cobana (he's got a pretty average physique which wouldn't have helped him and Wade Barrett is already doing the "smug English guy" gimmick). But he's torturing himself with "Oh, I could be a millionaire by now." Not necessarily.
Again, I think he just has really unrealistic expectations.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 17, 2013 19:19:53 GMT -5
I do understand being driven, but there's also setting yourself up for disappointment. Even if he HAD gotten signed he could have easily went the same way as Kizarny or Colt Cobana (he's got a pretty average physique which wouldn't have helped him and Wade Barrett is already doing the "smug English guy" gimmick). But he's torturing himself with "Oh, I could be a millionaire by now." Not necessarily. Again, I think he just has really unrealistic expectations. I don't think that's his midset at all. In interview's Nigel's always sounded like he just wanted to be in front of WWE cameras at least once. He's even said something to the extent of at least Bam Neely will always be able to look back and say he was on WWE television. Nigel's done a lot, and the truly best matches of his career will live forever. I think it's unfortunate someone who connects to a crowd as much as he does never got his chance to shine, but given how many details still emerge from this event almost 4 years ago, I can't bring myself to judge any particular person or entity involved. I hope Nigel makes it in front of WWE cameras at some point in some capacity. No matter what that role may be, I think it would mean everything to him.
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Post by froggyfrog on Feb 17, 2013 22:33:48 GMT -5
As easy as it is for some people to say Vince should have paid for the surgery... The WWE was basically saying Nigel could have his dream job and the best possible job in his profession if he just invested a little bit of money in himself. Agreed. I honestly don't know how anyone could suggest Vince was obligated to pay. They must be very entitled people
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Feb 17, 2013 23:12:09 GMT -5
I thought it was more that he couldn't come up with 4000-6000 bucks to have the surgery that's what makes it tragic
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 3:49:27 GMT -5
I do understand being driven, but there's also setting yourself up for disappointment. Even if he HAD gotten signed he could have easily went the same way as Kizarny or Colt Cobana (he's got a pretty average physique which wouldn't have helped him and Wade Barrett is already doing the "smug English guy" gimmick). But he's torturing himself with "Oh, I could be a millionaire by now." Not necessarily. Again, I think he just has really unrealistic expectations. I don't see them as unrealistic at all, seeing how close he got. If you're truly great at something and extremely passionate, it's not unrealistic to think you can make good money doing it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 18, 2013 9:44:57 GMT -5
remember at the time, WWE was also really trying to prove that their wellness program was legit. His arm may have been the big issue, but Nigel's body was extremely beat up.
Bryan Danielson and Chris Hero initially failed the wellness test. It's what led to Bryan becoming a vegan. Hell, Jon Moxley has scars from his time doing deathmatches and he had to explain what each scar came from.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Feb 18, 2013 11:11:09 GMT -5
I know WWE was the big goal for Nigel, and his failing to get there was a much bigger focus in the film, but am I the only one more pissed off at what happened to him in TNA?
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 18, 2013 13:05:07 GMT -5
I do understand being driven, but there's also setting yourself up for disappointment. Even if he HAD gotten signed he could have easily went the same way as Kizarny or Colt Cobana (he's got a pretty average physique which wouldn't have helped him and Wade Barrett is already doing the "smug English guy" gimmick). But he's torturing himself with "Oh, I could be a millionaire by now." Not necessarily. Again, I think he just has really unrealistic expectations. I don't see them as unrealistic at all, seeing how close he got. If you're truly great at something and extremely passionate, it's not unrealistic to think you can make good money doing it. Considering the state of the business, it probably is unrealistic. Most people DON'T make it, regardless of how talented they are.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 18, 2013 13:05:36 GMT -5
I know WWE was the big goal for Nigel, and his failing to get there was a much bigger focus in the film, but am I the only one more pissed off at what happened to him in TNA? TNA treat their wrestlers like crap though. Not really a secret.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 18, 2013 13:11:24 GMT -5
I don't see them as unrealistic at all, seeing how close he got. If you're truly great at something and extremely passionate, it's not unrealistic to think you can make good money doing it. Considering the state of the business, it probably is unrealistic. Most people DON'T make it, regardless of how talented they are. If you do not believe you can make it to Wrestlemania, you have no business being in American wrestling. If you don't have that drive to succeed, the will to be one of, if not the best, you don't belong in whatever field you're in.
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Post by shallbejudged on Feb 18, 2013 13:18:13 GMT -5
Really a fantastic article. It's really refreshing to see a story about wrestling in the media presented so fairly and objectively.
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Post by CrazySting on Feb 18, 2013 13:26:03 GMT -5
Considering the state of the business, it probably is unrealistic. Most people DON'T make it, regardless of how talented they are. If you do not believe you can make it to Wrestlemania, you have no business being in American wrestling. If you don't have that drive to succeed, the will to be one of, if not the best, you don't belong in whatever field you're in. It's great to have a goal, and you should work hard for it, but you should also observe reality and not get TOO wrapped up in it. Nigel pursued his dreams, to the point he almost killed himself...and he ended up a depressed, damaged shell of a man. There's no great uplifting story there. Basically, if you're a wrestler on the indie scene, you're probably going to be happier long term if you treat it as a hobby that COULD go somewhere (WWE). It could happen, but don't get too obsessed with it, otherwise it'll come at the expense of the life you have. Have dreams, sure. But don't let them kill you.
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