JCBaggee
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Post by JCBaggee on Feb 21, 2013 20:36:25 GMT -5
Gonna be an exciting build, with the two stars of the main event only being available for six shows every four months.
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 21, 2013 20:37:54 GMT -5
It doesn't. It just shows the kind of mindset the WWE's going to continue having when booking their big matches. What are they supposed to do? "Sorry Rock, I know you want to wrestle, but you and Lesnar can f*** off, WE'RE BUILDING STARS!" They're fortunate. Two legit stars want to come back and wrestle a few more matches. And they aren't broken down old men in their 50s, as they both left at a relatively young age. And since they aren't full time its better off they deal with each other. Only a few guys will be able to carry a feud with them without looking completely out of their league or being exposed. In the same month that Rock and Austin had their first Wrestlemania showdown, WCW was putting on Hogan VS Flair as a main event. It's the same line of thinking, and it's equally as disastrous. |
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Feb 21, 2013 20:42:18 GMT -5
"Sorry Rock, I know you want to wrestle, but you and Lesnar can f*** off, WE'RE BUILDING STARS!" I highly doubt that Rock is knocking down their door so he can wrestle. Sure I don't mind seeing them back, but at what point are they ever going to have something that remains long term? Are we going to live in the age of "build stars for 9 months of the year and the other 3 months go to the big timers who are going to get the exposure opposed to the other guys who's matches won't built up or hyped as much"? Is WWE going to live and die by these little jumps in ratings, instead of having a steady rate? What does that say to the average viewer? |
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Post by Cronant on Feb 21, 2013 20:44:47 GMT -5
What are they supposed to do? "Sorry Rock, I know you want to wrestle, but you and Lesnar can f*** off, WE'RE BUILDING STARS!" They're fortunate. Two legit stars want to come back and wrestle a few more matches. And they aren't broken down old men in their 50s, as they both left at a relatively young age. And since they aren't full time its better off they deal with each other. Only a few guys will be able to carry a feud with them without looking completely out of their league or being exposed. In the same month that Rock and Austin had their first Wrestlemania showdown, WCW was putting on Hogan VS Flair as a main event. It's the same line of thinking, and it's equally as disastrous. Its not the same at all. Brock isn't even 40. And neither guy will be taking up a full time main event spot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 20:48:36 GMT -5
As much as I would like to see stars built at Mania, WWE's mentality is "Mania is for making money." So I can't fault them for going with a main that would guarantee a huge buyrate.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Feb 21, 2013 20:51:10 GMT -5
"Sorry Rock, I know you want to wrestle, but you and Lesnar can f*** off, WE'RE BUILDING STARS!" I highly doubt that Rock is knocking down their door so he can wrestle. Sure I don't mind seeing them back, but at what point are they ever going to have something that remains long term? Are we going to live in the age of "build stars for 9 months of the year and the other 3 months go to the big timers who are going to get the exposure opposed to the other guys who's matches won't built up or hyped as much"? Is WWE going to live and die by these little jumps in ratings, instead of having a steady rate? What does that say to the average viewer? Who's getting ignored though? The Rock and Lesnar are back, yet I still see plenty of Sheamus and Ryback and Cesaro and all of them. Hell, Swagger was getting the push of his life right in the middle of all of it. Sure, some of the lower guys gets screwed, but s***, they obviously wasn't in their plans to be a star at this point anyway. |
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 21, 2013 20:53:01 GMT -5
If Rock/Austin was an undercard feud that got less than 5 minutes at Mania while two guys who were popular a decade before took up the main event at WM15, they wouldn't have the status they have today.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Feb 21, 2013 20:56:56 GMT -5
If Rock/Austin was an undercard feud that got less than 5 minutes at Mania while two guys who were popular a decade before took up the main event at WM15, they wouldn't have the status they have today. Rock/Austin was them putting the top at the main event. They were already over prior to that match. You can't hand a guy a main event match and make it happen. When someone gets that momentum going up to Wrestlemania, they'll get that main event spot. |
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 21, 2013 20:57:52 GMT -5
Do some people really find it to be unreasonable to think that others, like myself, would like to see a new face in the main event of Wrestlemania? Meaning that he is in the match that closes the show? Who got there because he won the Royal Rumble for the first time ever, to get the title opportunity AT Wrestlemania? Who then wins the WWE or World Heavyweight title for the first time?
The last time this occurred was in 2005 with Batista. Batista, who at that point wasn't a spring chicken himself. Come 2014, that event will almost be ten years past. Wrestlemania 21 is basically another era at this point. Having Rock vs. Brock happen would be like booking a rematch between Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior from 1990 in 2002. 'But yes, let's put guys in a main-event slot who even predate Wrestlemania 21, because butts in seats and millions of dollars'.
Let's also not forget about the fact that WWE still has to
- book compelling weekly TV shows after Wrestlemania, which in many years it has failed to do, in my opinion.
- launch a wrestling network that apparently they have already sunk a lot of money into apparently without any sort of financial return thus far despite the company's best efforts (if newz is to be believed).
- sell 11+ overpriced pay-per-views that will air on this new network until Wrestlemania 31 that, because of the quality of the TV shows and the storylines, I'm not going to waste my time purchasing.
But please, WWE: more Cena, more Lesnar, more Rock, by all means! Let the older guys never fade away! Or move out of the way, for that matter.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Feb 21, 2013 20:59:09 GMT -5
Like WWE hasn't been building stars:
CM Punk in the last couple of years has soared to long-term main event status.
Sheamus has become a bona fide main eventer.
Daniel Bryan is being built into a future star, and Ryback too.
That's more progress along the "build stars for the future" in the last 2 years than in the previous 5 or more.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Feb 21, 2013 20:59:57 GMT -5
I personally think the whole idea of trying to book a main event a year in advance is flawed, as it completely ignores the other superstar's accomplishments over the year, as well as the fan's opinions of them.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Feb 21, 2013 21:00:24 GMT -5
Do some people really find it to be unreasonable to think that others, like myself, would like to see a new face in the main event of Wrestlemania? Meaning that he is in the match that closes the show? Who got there because he won the Royal Rumble for the first time ever, to get the title opportunity AT Wrestlemania? Who then wins the WWE or World Heavyweight title for the first time? Its not unreasonable. Its just not something that happens nearly as much as people seem to think. Especially with 2 world titles and 2 MITB cases. Lots of things would have to line up almost perfectly. |
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Post by Cronant on Feb 21, 2013 21:03:13 GMT -5
I personally think the whole idea of trying to book a main event a year in advance is flawed, as it completely ignores the other superstar's accomplishments over the year, as well as the fan's opinions of them. I think they've always had a rough idea of where they want to go the next year. But things like momentum and title situations change things. But with 2 part timers who don't need any titles and are guaranteed to be over its easier to set it in stone. And with them having 4-5 "Main events" they can do it. Even if they do Brock/Rock is it set in stone as the last match? Not really, if something bigger comes along. |
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Post by viking85 on Feb 21, 2013 21:07:27 GMT -5
taker vs cena i think sounds like a much bigger and better main event, especially if it's the undertaker's last match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 21:08:58 GMT -5
It's not like The Rock and Lesnar are on TV year round. They show up at the biggest show of the year. Plus, as the numbers indicate, people want to see them. Would I like a star-making Mania like 21? Yes. But it seems their philosophy is to build guys throughout the year, then showcase them in undercard matches at Mania while the mega stars draw in the big payday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 21:10:17 GMT -5
Rock vs. Brock should have been this year's main event. It is common sense to do that match while both guys are on the roster. Waiting a year, if true, is a risk. Cena didn't need his win back. Just do Punk/Cena for the title and Rock/Brock. Common sense.
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Post by BigWill on Feb 21, 2013 21:18:13 GMT -5
I personally think the whole idea of trying to book a main event a year in advance is flawed, as it completely ignores the other superstar's accomplishments over the year, as well as the fan's opinions of them. I think they've always had a rough idea of where they want to go the next year. But things like momentum and title situations change things. But with 2 part timers who don't need any titles and are guaranteed to be over its easier to set it in stone. And with them having 4-5 "Main events" they can do it. Even if they do Brock/Rock is it set in stone as the last match? Not really, if something bigger comes along. That's true. But I think regardless of where on the card it's going to be, trying to set Rock/Brock in stone isn't best way to go about it, as things can change a lot in a year. For instance say a year from now Bo Dallas starts looking like a huge star, and a feud with someone like Rock would put him over to the point where he'd become a permanent main eventer. And the WWE ends up passing on this chance, because they've already been building up Rock/Brock for months. |
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Feb 21, 2013 21:32:12 GMT -5
Like WWE hasn't been building stars: CM Punk in the last couple of years has soared to long-term main event status. Sheamus has become a bona fide main eventer. Daniel Bryan is being built into a future star, and Ryback too. That's more progress along the "build stars for the future" in the last 2 years than in the previous 5 or more. Let's not disregard The Shield being straight up HOTSHOT to the main event and fitting like a glove. |
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Feb 21, 2013 21:37:52 GMT -5
Who's getting ignored though? The Rock and Lesnar are back, yet I still see plenty of Sheamus and Ryback and Cesaro and all of them. Hell, Swagger was getting the push of his life right in the middle of all of it. Sure, some of the lower guys gets screwed, but s***, they obviously wasn't in their plans to be a star at this point anyway. They aren't getting ignored as much as they're getting put on the back burner. Again, I have no problem with these part time guys, but you can't live and die during their big season with these veteran stars. I mean, how long are they going to book like this? Sure, we get new stars built, but then "oh no, it's Wrestlemania season...thanks for being the guy for most of the year, but we'll take it from here". It would be nice if they could somehow incorporate these vet stars into the program they've had going already. You can make the argument for Punk/Rock, but that was essentially filler as a means of getting the belt on Rock for Cena at Mania. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 21, 2013 21:39:20 GMT -5
Keep building them stars for the future, WWE. I still don't see how this prevents that. This. Would you rather they face and go over someone who isn't as established as them? For those that think they aren't building new stars, tell me, how are the Shield, CM Punk, Ryback and Daniel Bryan fairing these days? You can say something over and over again, it doesn't mean it's the truth. |
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