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Post by Starshine on Feb 21, 2013 21:41:34 GMT -5
That should be the main event this year.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 21, 2013 21:42:35 GMT -5
I personally think Taker and Cena should be the main event. It's the streak match everyone has been waiting for and it will probably be Undertaker's last match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 21:47:14 GMT -5
I've never understood the kind of "no one new can become Wrestlemania main eventers while Rock/Cena/Brock/Undertaker are all around" mentality. If no one can surpass them it's because they're just not good enough to.
Stone Cold became the biggest draw in the company when Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Undertaker were all around and was eventually booked above them because of it. John Cena became the biggest draw in the company when Triple H, Shawn, 'Taker, Batista and Kurt Angle were all around and was eventually booked above them all because of it.
If someone outdraws the part timers/current main eventers for a consistent period they'll be given the Wrestlemania main events over them. The proof is there. The thing is though, to outdraw Rock/Brock or Cena/Undertaker or Rock/Cena you're talking someone would have to catch fire on 1998 Austin levels to be booked above matches that huge and the chances of that happening are extremely slim.
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Post by thegame415 on Feb 21, 2013 21:49:10 GMT -5
I'd rather see Rock vs Shawn Michaels
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 21, 2013 21:51:12 GMT -5
I've never understood the kind of "no one new can become Wrestlemania main eventers while Rock/Cena/Brock/Undertaker are all around" mentality. If no one can surpass them it's because they're just not good enough to. Stone Cold became the biggest draw in the company when Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Undertaker were all around and was eventually booked above them because of it. John Cena became the biggest draw in the company when Triple H, Shawn, 'Taker, Batista and Kurt Angle were all around and was eventually booked above them all because of it. If someone outdraws the part timers/current main eventers for a consistent period they'll be given the Wrestlemania main events over them. The proof is there. The thing is though, to outdraw Rock/Brock or Cena/Undertaker or Rock/Cena you're talking someone would have to catch fire on 1998 Austin levels to be booked above matches that huge and the chances of that happening are extremely slim. Disagree. All the pieces need to be in the right place and that can happen at anytime. Did anyone really expect the Ringmaster or Rocky Mavia to be main eventing Wrestlemania against each other twice? They were just 3 years removed from the Blue Chipper and Ted Dibiase's apprentice holding the pointless million dollar championship when Wrestlemania 15 took place.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Feb 21, 2013 21:52:20 GMT -5
I already dread WM 30 and it's a year away. I'm hoping they change it by the time it rolls around. Personally, I'd be thrilled if Rock left forever after this year.
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Post by mizerable on Feb 21, 2013 21:55:59 GMT -5
Disagree. All the pieces need to be in the right place and that can happen at anytime. Did anyone really expect the Ringmaster or Rocky Mavia to be main eventing Wrestlemania against each other twice? They were just 3 years removed from the Blue Chipper and Ted Dibiase's apprentice holding the pointless million dollar championship when Wrestlemania 15 took place. If Hogan, Warrior and Savage were wrestling on a part time basis during this period, Austin and Rock may have occurred, but would be the focal point on the undercard because they didn't have the history of drawing the big bucks like Hogan did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 22:02:23 GMT -5
I've never understood the kind of "no one new can become Wrestlemania main eventers while Rock/Cena/Brock/Undertaker are all around" mentality. If no one can surpass them it's because they're just not good enough to. Stone Cold became the biggest draw in the company when Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Undertaker were all around and was eventually booked above them because of it. John Cena became the biggest draw in the company when Triple H, Shawn, 'Taker, Batista and Kurt Angle were all around and was eventually booked above them all because of it. If someone outdraws the part timers/current main eventers for a consistent period they'll be given the Wrestlemania main events over them. The proof is there. The thing is though, to outdraw Rock/Brock or Cena/Undertaker or Rock/Cena you're talking someone would have to catch fire on 1998 Austin levels to be booked above matches that huge and the chances of that happening are extremely slim. Disagree. All the pieces need to be in the right place and that can happen at anytime. Did anyone really expect the Ringmaster or Rocky Mavia to be main eventing Wrestlemania against each other twice? They were just 3 years removed from the Blue Chipper and Ted Dibiase's apprentice holding the pointless million dollar championship when Wrestlemania 15 took place. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. That's basically my point. If someone becomes a top draw they'll get the Wrestlemania main events. When Rock and Austin were the top draws they main evented Wrestlemania. When they were Rocky Maivia and The Ringmaster they weren't top draws and didn't main event Wrestlemania. If someone suddenly came along and was outdrawing Rock/Brock/Cena/Undertaker they would be given the Wrestlemania main event.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 21, 2013 22:05:02 GMT -5
Disagree. All the pieces need to be in the right place and that can happen at anytime. Did anyone really expect the Ringmaster or Rocky Mavia to be main eventing Wrestlemania against each other twice? They were just 3 years removed from the Blue Chipper and Ted Dibiase's apprentice holding the pointless million dollar championship when Wrestlemania 15 took place. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. That's basically my point. If someone becomes a top draw they'll get the Wrestlemania main events. When Rock and Austin were the top draws they main evented Wrestlemania. When they were Rocky Maivia and The Ringmaster they weren't top draws and didn't main event Wrestlemania. If someone suddenly came along and was outdrawing Rock/Brock/Cena/Undertaker they would be given the Wrestlemania main event. I was disagreeing with the idea that the chances of it are as slim as you made it out to be. It's never really that slim in this business considering the history of out-of-left-field break out moments.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Feb 21, 2013 22:11:29 GMT -5
It doesn't. It just shows the kind of mindset the WWE's going to continue having when booking their big matches. What are they supposed to do? "Sorry Rock, I know you want to wrestle, but you and Lesnar can f*** off, WE'RE BUILDING STARS!" They're fortunate. Two legit stars want to come back and wrestle a few more matches. And they aren't broken down old men in their 50s, as they both left at a relatively young age.Rock maybe, but not Lesnar. Isn't the main reason he's back with the WWE in the first place is cause diverticulitis derailed his UFC career? Also, the road goes both ways, and it hurts less in the long run not to say "f*** off kids, you can't hash it so we're regurgitating a feud from twelve years ago to main WrestleMania XXX."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 22:11:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. That's basically my point. If someone becomes a top draw they'll get the Wrestlemania main events. When Rock and Austin were the top draws they main evented Wrestlemania. When they were Rocky Maivia and The Ringmaster they weren't top draws and didn't main event Wrestlemania. If someone suddenly came along and was outdrawing Rock/Brock/Cena/Undertaker they would be given the Wrestlemania main event. I was disagreeing with the idea that the chances of it are as slim as you made it out to be. It's never really that slim in this business considering the history of out-of-left-field break out moments. Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. I do think it is VERY unlikely for someone to come along and outdraw WWE's current 'Mania main eventers though. When you're talking potential main events like Rock/Brock, Rock/Cena, Cena/Undertaker, it would take something or someone VERY special to surpass those. Although not absolutely impossible of course.
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 21, 2013 23:27:51 GMT -5
I still don't see how this prevents that. This. Would you rather they face and go over someone who isn't as established as them? For those that think they aren't building new stars, tell me, how are the Shield, CM Punk, Ryback and Daniel Bryan fairing these days? You can say something over and over again, it doesn't mean it's the truth. Daniel Bryan, the guy who was getting insane reactions less than a year ago and now is basically Kane's little brother who loses all the time? That one?
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Post by paywindah on Feb 21, 2013 23:35:03 GMT -5
Wrestlemania is going to get a million buys and millions of people will be watching it. The goal should be to get them to keep watching AFTER Wrestlemania and maybe even to order some of those other 11 PPVs.
Focusing the show on guys who won't be around afterwards doesn't do that. You position guys like Ryback, Sheamus, Bryan, Ziggler as if they don't matter (their matches are not promoted anywhere near as much as the Rock, Cena, Brock, etc... matches are) and then you wonder why they are back down to 2.6 ratings and 190k PPV buys right after Mania each year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 0:22:04 GMT -5
I'm just getting sick and tired of nostalgia rules all in wrestling and pop culture in general.
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 22, 2013 2:25:55 GMT -5
Can we get Bruce Buffer doing the pre-match intros?
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Post by aaronslip on Feb 22, 2013 3:40:56 GMT -5
I've never understood the kind of "no one new can become Wrestlemania main eventers while Rock/Cena/Brock/Undertaker are all around" mentality. If no one can surpass them it's because they're just not good enough to. Stone Cold became the biggest draw in the company when Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Undertaker were all around and was eventually booked above them because of it. John Cena became the biggest draw in the company when Triple H, Shawn, 'Taker, Batista and Kurt Angle were all around and was eventually booked above them all because of it. If someone outdraws the part timers/current main eventers for a consistent period they'll be given the Wrestlemania main events over them. The proof is there. The thing is though, to outdraw Rock/Brock or Cena/Undertaker or Rock/Cena you're talking someone would have to catch fire on 1998 Austin levels to be booked above matches that huge and the chances of that happening are extremely slim. But you only get ahead if the company wants you to get ahead. Otherwise Zach Ryder would be main eventing shows.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 22, 2013 3:47:07 GMT -5
I've never understood the kind of "no one new can become Wrestlemania main eventers while Rock/Cena/Brock/Undertaker are all around" mentality. If no one can surpass them it's because they're just not good enough to. Stone Cold became the biggest draw in the company when Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and Undertaker were all around and was eventually booked above them because of it. John Cena became the biggest draw in the company when Triple H, Shawn, 'Taker, Batista and Kurt Angle were all around and was eventually booked above them all because of it. If someone outdraws the part timers/current main eventers for a consistent period they'll be given the Wrestlemania main events over them. The proof is there. The thing is though, to outdraw Rock/Brock or Cena/Undertaker or Rock/Cena you're talking someone would have to catch fire on 1998 Austin levels to be booked above matches that huge and the chances of that happening are extremely slim. The thing is that if the part time stars are draws, then card placement shouldn't matter. The Rock will draw simply because he's The Rock. He doesn't need to be the biggest thing going on. He's The Rock. People will buy WM even if he's jerking the curtain. Because he's The Rock. If they booked a Dolph Ziggler vs. Miz main event and put as much effort into hyping it as they did The Rock, then maybe they'd become huge megastars as well. They will come to see the Rock, but stay for these two awesome young stars.
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Post by Essential1 on Feb 22, 2013 3:53:25 GMT -5
As long as Snitsky returns to feud with Cesaro this will be fine.
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Post by cool guy on Feb 22, 2013 5:19:21 GMT -5
I'm fine with this being a match at Wrestlemania, that's cool, but two part timers going on last would be absolutely stupid. Just ridiculous.
Especially if they do in fact do Undertaker/Cena. That's a way bigger match imo, and it'll also probably be much better than anything Rock and Lesnar can put on.
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Post by kamotengkahoy on Feb 22, 2013 8:32:07 GMT -5
WM XXX feat Kendra Lust and an aging Ron Jeremy
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