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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 23, 2013 23:02:14 GMT -5
They won't make good money off of a s***ty TMNT film. Mark my words. The fanbase spans four generations, and no matter what their preferred version of the Turtles is, none of them feature the Turtles as aliens. All I know is, I don't want to see the Turtles not look and act like the Turtles. I don't want to see them as anything other than mutated Earth turtles. I don't want them to act like black stereotypes ala those twins in the s***fest that was Transformers 2. I don't want the title characters to take a backseat to the human actors. I don't want any military characters being shoved into the plot at all. I don't care if the movie is more similar to the '87 cartoon or the current one, but it needs to be a faithful adaptation of some popular version of the franchise if not a combination. I don't want to see something carry the Turtles name with no respect for the franchise. If I wanted that, I'd watch The Next Mutation on Netflix. I seem to recall a lot of people expressing similar sentiments before each Transformers film. In fact... Yup. Very similar. And yet... we all know how THAT turned out, don't we? I get it. You love the Michael Bay Transformers, and seem to think that their quality is measured in dollars and not good storytelling and film making. You also seem to harbor some kind of malice towards the devoted fanbases of beloved franchises because they hate movies you like, despite their reasons being valid. Hell, I seem to recall you once upon a time mocking Deadpool fans for being pissed about his treatment in that crappy Wolverine movie. Here's the thing, at the end of the day, Bay's Transformers shared more in common with the source material than his Turtles seem to based on the "alien" comment and that leaked script. The Transformers still hailed from Cybertron, the Autobot/Decepticon war spilled over onto Earth, and they were fighting over the Energon cube, or "Allspark". As soon as they referred to the TMNT as being from "an alien race", they lost all connection to the source, and proved their lack of respect for the fans. You might think that's okay and even get some kind of entertainment value from seeing the true fans' disappointment play out. It's not okay, and it's downright stupid. The Avengers proved that you can make boatloads of money without telling the core fanbase to go f*** itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 23:09:25 GMT -5
The Busters take.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 24, 2013 1:18:10 GMT -5
Is Splinter going to be an alien too?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 1:28:40 GMT -5
I seem to recall a lot of people expressing similar sentiments before each Transformers film. In fact... Yup. Very similar. And yet... we all know how THAT turned out, don't we? I get it. You love the Michael Bay Transformers, and seem to think that their quality is measured in dollars and not good storytelling and film making. You also seem to harbor some kind of malice towards the devoted fanbases of beloved franchises because they hate movies you like, despite their reasons being valid. Hell, I seem to recall you once upon a time mocking Deadpool fans for being pissed about his treatment in that crappy Wolverine movie. Here's the thing, at the end of the day, Bay's Transformers shared more in common with the source material than his Turtles seem to based on the "alien" comment and that leaked script. The Transformers still hailed from Cybertron, the Autobot/Decepticon war spilled over onto Earth, and they were fighting over the Energon cube, or "Allspark". As soon as they referred to the TMNT as being from "an alien race", they lost all connection to the source, and proved their lack of respect for the fans. You might think that's okay and even get some kind of entertainment value from seeing the true fans' disappointment play out. It's not okay, and it's downright stupid. The Avengers proved that you can make boatloads of money without telling the core fanbase to go f*** itself. ...ok. Well, since the co-creator of the ENTIRE FRANCHISE is on board with how the film is going so far then I think that carries more weight than what a "true fan" (whatever that means...) wants. But I guess what the originator of TMNT wants to do with his work doesn't really matter ....
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Feb 24, 2013 1:32:55 GMT -5
Wasn't the original leaked script scrapped and rewritten anyway?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Feb 24, 2013 1:35:26 GMT -5
I get it. You love the Michael Bay Transformers, and seem to think that their quality is measured in dollars and not good storytelling and film making. You also seem to harbor some kind of malice towards the devoted fanbases of beloved franchises because they hate movies you like, despite their reasons being valid. Hell, I seem to recall you once upon a time mocking Deadpool fans for being pissed about his treatment in that crappy Wolverine movie. Here's the thing, at the end of the day, Bay's Transformers shared more in common with the source material than his Turtles seem to based on the "alien" comment and that leaked script. The Transformers still hailed from Cybertron, the Autobot/Decepticon war spilled over onto Earth, and they were fighting over the Energon cube, or "Allspark". As soon as they referred to the TMNT as being from "an alien race", they lost all connection to the source, and proved their lack of respect for the fans. You might think that's okay and even get some kind of entertainment value from seeing the true fans' disappointment play out. It's not okay, and it's downright stupid. The Avengers proved that you can make boatloads of money without telling the core fanbase to go f*** itself. Hoo-boy... where to begin? For starters, I view the Transformers films as being good because I, like many other people, enjoyed them. All of these complaints that the people who dislike them bring up? For the most part, I either disagree with them or don't see what the big deal is. Now, am I ecstatic that they made money? Of course! If I'm a fan of a movie, I love seeing it do well since it increases the chances of there being sequels. But even if the Transformers movies were huge bombs, I'd still love 'em and I'd still think they're great movies - just like I do with Dragonball Evolution, which I'll readily admit was a financial dud that few people other than myself seemed to enjoy. And I harbor no malice towards any franchise's fans... particularly since I'm, y'know, a fan of these exact franchises as well. As far as the Deadpool thing goes, yeah, I dislike Comic Deadpool and I like Movie Deadpool. I fail to see why that's such a big deal to some people. And in regards to the TMNT movie? This may surprise you, but I'm not exactly a fan of the whole alien thing, either. Granted, I'm far from being enraged over it, but I still think it's a rather dumb idea. I'm just willing to give it a chance since I've enjoyed Bay's other work, and I'm also not entirely convinced that we're really going to get alien turtles anyways. After all, the script that people keep bringing up was tossed out and Bay's pre-release comments always have to be taken with a grain of salt since he loves to troll people. Thing is, even if I was convinced that Bay is telling the truth, and even if I believed that the movie we're going to get is going to suck, I'd STILL have to agree that there's some logic behind Bay's company being hired for it. Under his guidance, the Transformers film franchise became a billion dollar franchise... and it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the people who stand to profit off of a TMNT franchise might be hoping for lightning to strike twice. Will they get that? I don't think anyone can definitively say at this point; it very well could turn out to be a huge flop, though personally I doubt that. But, even so, the logic behind their decision to hire Bay is still there, win or lose. And if recognizing this somehow prevents me from being a 'true' fan, then... eh. I'll live with that. Also, it's funny that you bring up the Avengers. I know some members of the core Avengers fanbase who loathe it with a passion that rivals your hatred for Micheal Bay and the Transformers movies.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 24, 2013 1:40:55 GMT -5
My advice to TMNT fans is just ride it out. The new Total Recall has already been forgotten. The same will happen with this. When people think TMNT, no one will think "Michael Bay"
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Feb 24, 2013 1:42:19 GMT -5
My advice to TMNT fans is just ride it out. The new Total Recall has already been forgotten. The same will happen with this. When people think TMNT, no one will think "Michael Bay" And my advice is, "If I can live with the Sherlock movie and the dumb American remake of the BBC series and not only not-hate it but still find the good in them--so can you and your alien turtles."
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 24, 2013 1:55:33 GMT -5
I get it. You love the Michael Bay Transformers, and seem to think that their quality is measured in dollars and not good storytelling and film making. You also seem to harbor some kind of malice towards the devoted fanbases of beloved franchises because they hate movies you like, despite their reasons being valid. Hell, I seem to recall you once upon a time mocking Deadpool fans for being pissed about his treatment in that crappy Wolverine movie. Here's the thing, at the end of the day, Bay's Transformers shared more in common with the source material than his Turtles seem to based on the "alien" comment and that leaked script. The Transformers still hailed from Cybertron, the Autobot/Decepticon war spilled over onto Earth, and they were fighting over the Energon cube, or "Allspark". As soon as they referred to the TMNT as being from "an alien race", they lost all connection to the source, and proved their lack of respect for the fans. You might think that's okay and even get some kind of entertainment value from seeing the true fans' disappointment play out. It's not okay, and it's downright stupid. The Avengers proved that you can make boatloads of money without telling the core fanbase to go f*** itself. ...ok. Well, since the co-creator of the ENTIRE FRANCHISE is on board with how the film is going so far then I think that carries more weight than what a "true fan" (whatever that means...) wants. But I guess what the originator of TMNT wants to do with his work doesn't really matter .... Well, money talks. Mind you, I don't have a dog in this fight, since I haven't been a Ninja Turtles fan since I was seven. To be fair, Transformers 1 and 3 are mindless. Revenge of the Fallen is offensively bad. Fixed for my views. Michael Bay took a children's toy franchise that had cool looking robot designs that only after the fact, in my opinion, developed some decent stories (the spate of Transformers comics compared to the G1 cartoon series) and instead made beloved characters like Optimus Prime and Megatron a) look like gaudy, nondescript, pre-2000 computer-game alien enemy AI while b) making the robots-in-disguise secondary to the story which has "TRANSFORMERS" in the name so that he could make a two-hour commercial for the military and GM vehicles. On top of all this, his films elide this usurpation of Transformers from their own story given the propensity to rely on an array of dick, fart, and weed jokes, racial stereotyping, and gratuitous ass shots of the female leads between the moments of whirring camera movement and onscreen action which is as completely indiscernible visually as a spew of vomit. I was a Transformers fan as a kid and young adult (I loved "Beast Wars" and "Beast Machines" at least was a different take on the franchise), but it's hard to love a property when it makes the main protagonist, Optimus Prime, a bloodthirsty psychopath while other one-dimensional characters crack wise with "Zack and Miri" Kevin Smtih-level humour. Thank goodness I discovered "Transformers Prime," because I would have otherwise abandoned Transformers, as something I'm a fan of, forever. So at this point I can only extend my sympathies to Ninja Turtles fans who are apoplectic because of this latest casting news. I feel their pain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 2:10:45 GMT -5
...ok. Well, since the co-creator of the ENTIRE FRANCHISE is on board with how the film is going so far then I think that carries more weight than what a "true fan" (whatever that means...) wants. But I guess what the originator of TMNT wants to do with his work doesn't really matter .... Well, money talks. Mind you, I don't have a dog in this fight, since I haven't been a Ninja Turtles fan since I was seven. Fair enough, but Eastman's had a hand in the IDW comic book and the Nick cartoon (both of which have been really great adaptations of his work). While I'm as dubious as the next guy about having Michael Bay do anything - when the original creator is on board with the direction of the work, that's an indicator that it's more in sync with what TMNT should be versus what people who did nothing to create the original work think about it. Odds are the film's a hot mess that makes a bunch of money, pisses off long-time TMNT fans and gets like 19% on RT, but still. I also LOVE the idea of people getting so upset about the TMNT franchise basically selling out to make tons of $$$. From the animated series on, that's all the franchise has done!
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 24, 2013 9:12:23 GMT -5
If Michael Bay has that much to do with the cinematography, the action scenes in this movie will be far more offensive than Megan Fox as April. Bay action scenes are terrible even when they're all gunshots and explosions, him trying to do actual martial arts is going to be a trainwreck.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 24, 2013 9:23:54 GMT -5
Micheal Bay ISN'T Directing this.
If anything he'll be a producer like the Platinum Dunes remakes *Thinks about them*, God Dammit.
If it's still Liebesman then abandon all hope, But hopefully they'll get a good director.
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Post by Viking Snad on Feb 24, 2013 9:53:21 GMT -5
It's going to make money no matter who is cast as what. Megan Fox brings name value alone, only making marketing that much easier. I see nothing wrong with this at all, great business decision even if her acting is iffy at best.
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