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Post by Orange on Feb 25, 2013 19:49:23 GMT -5
Just saw Orange's post. Let me get off this phone and do what I have to do tonight in the real world and you'll have your Orange breakdown around 8:30 eastern time. I'll do a quick version now since I have to head out for a while ... Orange: Jack-of-all-Trades (or some such thing) There is an argument to be made that the playing of the role has done more to hurt Town (though completely unintentionally) than help on some occasions. Orange, I'm sure, has had his fair share of frustration. Let's explain: One attempt was to night kill on behalf of Town. I believe that night kill was Brad, totally Town and it yielded no immediate answers. (This, by the way, is a side diatribe that follows. At first, I thought Jazzman did it and was Vigilante. That same day before the kill, Jazzman had planted the seed of judgment against Brad in a head-to-head that escalated quickly. Might I add that I called Jazzman out on the silliness of launching a vote in Brad's direction. Jazzman showed reasoning and backed off and we proceeded to lynch a Townie. I first thought he was just making a huge blunder and following up on his rage with the night kill. I realized he wasn't Vigilante when much more obvious targets weren't followed up on. The Brad kill makes more sense in the context of it being a new player that did it. Re-enter Orange.) Ok, so orange from that same day had been put through the ringer by suspicions (I was right at the forefront of that). In an attempt to make good, it turned out bad. Another attempt was last night. If he hadn't squandered his night kill ability , he would've done so last night on me. Instead he squandered the roleblocker part of his Jack-of-All-Trades. Two night kills still commenced and therefore, I can't be Godfather or Goon. In fact, the irony of me being roleblocked is ginormous. I have a "one off" ability that has now gone poof. I was, in fact, attempting to prevent a kill last night by targeting Asher with my ability. (Turns out, he *may* be Cult Governor convertee, so maybe not the best choice after all, but anyway.) So there were two "wasted" attempts on Orange's part. Then, there is the investigator part of the Jack-of-all-Trades. He launched that a night when he had not long before roused suspicions of SnS along with the other scum-seekers (some of whom had to be wolves in sheep's clothing). So investigating and making the grandstand move to expose a member of scum...yielded nothing of the sort. So, as you see, Orange--in my opinion--has had a frustrating game behind the scenes. His intentions have been great, but it has been a series of disappointments for him as well. (Im sure he is liking the game. I just mean the results haven't been as enlightening as he wanted.) He has had several leads (propogated in part by scum activity) and he's bound to be realizing soon that scum misleadings are indeed at work. I never had a night kill ability. If I had one, I might've used it on you - but it's not an ability that I was ever given. I roleblocked you last night - that was as extreme as my roles got. I wasn't sure if I should do it or not, and was going to hold out on using it, but I ultimately decided to use it and see what might come of it. I've killed nobody.
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Post by Orange on Feb 25, 2013 19:58:19 GMT -5
Well, last night phase, that is. Not literally last night.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Feb 25, 2013 19:58:30 GMT -5
So much for that.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 25, 2013 20:08:00 GMT -5
Peg... how did/do you know your protection on asher failed/roleblocked?
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Feb 25, 2013 20:24:16 GMT -5
Peg... how did/do you know your protection on asher failed/roleblocked? I'm kinda done at this point, SnS. I don't think I've ever played in a game where so many town can't see the sun at the brightest point of the day. About all I have left are insults so I'm backing off and letting Town shoot themselves in the foot. We've been doing that since Day Three.
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Post by Orange on Feb 25, 2013 20:42:54 GMT -5
Peg... how did/do you know your protection on asher failed/roleblocked? I'm kinda done at this point, SnS. I don't think I've ever played in a game where so many town can't see the sun at the brightest point of the day. About all I have left are insults so I'm backing off and letting Town shoot themselves in the foot. We've been doing that since Day Three. You're confusing me, peg. You've gone from a player with the utmost confidence to all but giving up because some people are suspicious of you. This is a game of suspicion and nobody's immune from that, Mafia legacy/track record put aside. I know that's not the kind of player you are, because I've never seen you like this in any game I've been a part of with you, Mafia or not.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 25, 2013 21:00:52 GMT -5
That still doesn't explain why you've been "tap-dancing" (as you put it), and why you stated one of Spartan's targets (in this case, Jazzman) could be a false result until after Jazzman called you out, even though you thought he was surely town just before, almost instantaneously.
I don't like that you seem to have "given up", especially after everything you've said and done. I understand that people can get to you and you get tired of explaining yourself. I've been there, and I've had to explain the same exact thing almost 5 times since people fail to see it the first time. But even though it annoyed me, I still kept going.
I've seen and registered everything you said. You make some good points here and there, but so do other people, and little by little I start to see the holes in your game. This is my first time being in a game with you, and I can confidently say you play a great game, but I'm a little tired of having to wonder what your motives are and whether or not you're playing us. I have to know.
I need some time to think this over before I make my decision.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Feb 25, 2013 21:08:28 GMT -5
Nobody has "gotten to me." It's mathematically impossible to win unless Mafia guns down a Cult leader tonight. It's mathematics. It's logic. Just like who obvious Townies are. Not saying Mafia are ALL able to be pegged yet, but the most obvious Townie is being lynched by Townies. There are 9 Town, I believe. Jono is one. It takes a perfect 8 to seal the deal on scum. Right now, Jono is siding with scum. IF Jazzman is Town, that's the monkey wrench in the 8 needed to lynch scum. Jono was just waiting to waste me anyway. Hasn't contributed jack just because he gets sick and tired of his own gameplay getting him eliminated from games like this too early. It's not "getting to me" It's math and it's over. Town has to lynch scum. Scum aren't going to do it for us.
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Post by Knailsic From Now On on Feb 25, 2013 21:16:39 GMT -5
I read that a player could be lynch-proof. If this is so, I'm having second thoughts on pursuing Knailsic. Is there a specific power role that is lynch-proof? Lynch proof is an ability in and of itself. It's generally town aligned. With Knailsic saying "it's game over for me" if we lynch him I am now more confident that he is scum. a townie will win regardless of if he lives or dies at the end of the game. if he loses if he dies he is not a townie What I meant was if a successful lynch was tried on me that I be dead not I wouldn't "win.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 25, 2013 21:27:08 GMT -5
but the most obvious Townie is being lynched by Townies. But the thing is, to be the "most obvious townie", it takes others to see it. I have yet to see anyone step up and defend you, at least not recently (if I missed it, please correct me). You saying you're a townie doesn't mean anything, no one takes it as sure unless 100% confirmed (like Jono, even if there's a small chance he could have converted, but that's besides my point). I honestly never understood why people feel the need to say "I'm town", when it's practically pointless and doesn't prove anything.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 25, 2013 23:43:57 GMT -5
Lynch proof is an ability in and of itself. It's generally town aligned. With Knailsic saying "it's game over for me" if we lynch him I am now more confident that he is scum. a townie will win regardless of if he lives or dies at the end of the game. if he loses if he dies he is not a townie What I meant was if a successful lynch was tried on me that I be dead not I wouldn't "win. If you really are Town, and you get lynched for good, consider who's voting against you. There will doubtlessly be consequences now if we're wrong. If we're right though... I think four more people should join the double down and soon. I might very well regret saying so, but we picked you once, and it doesn't look like any vibes about you changed.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 25, 2013 23:52:46 GMT -5
Okay. I think I know what to do. Eventually, I have to trust someone, and the two people I trust right now have both voted for the same person. And so will I. Vote: PegasusAt a time with so much confusion, one must rely on instinct. As always. Jono's personal grudges: something you can always hang your hat on. Are you frigging kidding me? So, let me get this straight. If I vote for a veteran, it's a personal grudge. If I vote for a new guy, I'm picking on a new guy. And people say I'm too sensitive. Look, I don't know for sure who to vote for, I've tried to catch up as best I can, in case you weren't aware, a week ago I had a nervous breakdown. I've only been getting caught up the last day or two, so you'll have to excuse me. You expect everyone to be able to take all the conflicting information and instantly deduce who is telling the truth. And you fail to take into account the SIMPLE FACT that just because you say you're in the right doesn't make you right. You act as though the Mafia wouldn't say the EXACT things you are saying in order to deceive us. Where exactly have you gotten this ridiculous notion I have a grudge against you?
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Feb 25, 2013 23:53:11 GMT -5
Peg is very right I think. If we screw up and lynch a town the town becomes the spoiler for the war between the cult and mafia. I don't think it will be a for sure game over for town though but it will kinda swap town into the mafia position of being a minority trying to manipulate two groups against each other. However that has probably already begun with the two scum sides trying to out each other to prove their townishness and convince the swing voters. Which is why I can't believe anybody is guaranteed town.
I will probably revote knailsic but I am going to wait a little and see how much more developes.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 25, 2013 23:56:25 GMT -5
How confident are we that another lynch attempt on knailsic wont be blocked again?
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Post by stinger on Feb 26, 2013 0:09:51 GMT -5
How confident are we that another lynch attempt on knailsic wont be blocked again? That's what I'm afraid of. Probably won't happen, but it lingers in the back of my mind. That's why I voted for Asher instead, but no one has jumped on that.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 26, 2013 1:03:39 GMT -5
I fear that too, to be honest.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Feb 26, 2013 3:20:08 GMT -5
Governors are usually X-shot, given a set number of saves. Seeing as how it's a powerful role i see it likely being a one off ability. While it's still possible her could be saved again, i see it being highly unlikely.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Feb 26, 2013 3:20:44 GMT -5
Ebwop: he could be saved again
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 26, 2013 8:58:14 GMT -5
I just don't see knaisic as mafia. Would be op for mafia to have that ability.
Possibilities: Town Converted town Cult leader who has converted a governor.
Knailsic: what is your position on peg and asher?
Hayden: same question but also knailsic.
Zack... you seem to be off most peoples radar. Where do you stand with everyone?
Peg.. deleted.. will repost when others reply.
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Post by stinger on Feb 26, 2013 11:07:50 GMT -5
I just don't see knaisic as mafia. Would be op for mafia to have that ability. Possibilities: Town Converted town Cult leader who has converted a governor. Knailsic: what is your position on peg and asher? Hayden: same question but also knailsic. Zack... you seem to be off most peoples radar. Where do you stand with everyone? Peg.. deleted.. will repost when others reply. Well, he says he didn't have such an ability. Says he has no idea why the lynch failed, so either he's lying or we take him at his word and therefore can't infer that he's Town from the fact that his lynch failed.
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