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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 21:29:05 GMT -5
One other thing to add: As a meat-eater, the only thing that's worse than a self-righteous vegetarian/vegan shoving their lifestyle in your face is a self-righteous meat-eater doing the same. I hate the phrases "People for Eating Tasty Animals" (haw haw) or "I'll eat four cows for every one you don't eat." It's just such an extremely defensive and base way of thinking. At least discuss the idea of vegetarianism/veganism without resorting to the lamest cliches ever. It kind of reminds me of people that think recycling is stupid and think it's funny to litter, just because there are environmentalists that would freak out about it.
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Post by zeez on Mar 28, 2013 22:03:45 GMT -5
Moral reasons? Not at all. Health reasons? Sometimes, especially if I just ate a Baconator.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 28, 2013 22:13:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't judge people for being vegetarians or vegans if they don't act self-righteous and in my face about it. Then I judge them for being self-righteous pricks. I was really allergic to dairy products for all of my childhood and a good chunk of my early adulthood. As vegan stuff has to be completely non-dairy, I would sometimes buy some vegan substitute foods that used soy or tofu instead of milk. And they tasted pretty good! I actually drank soy milk out of habit even after I mostly got over my allergy. The right flavors taste really good. And I actually don't like the taste of real milk much. I'd probably still eat a lot of these products if they weren't much more expensive than their dairy counterparts.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 28, 2013 22:23:40 GMT -5
There are also some other factors in where the "moral reasons" can come from, too. I know a big factor for me is that most of our meat in the US is produced on "mega farms" that typically work by causing mass pollution in the immediate environments they're situated in, to go along with the pretty awful manner in which they keep most of their animals.
Granted, "mega farms" also grow veggies, so it's not like you can really avoid them altogether (even if you buy organic, you don't always know the source), but the waste involved in animal meat processing is pretty gigantic.
Honestly, I almost feel that aspect of it is bigger to me than the moral issue of the animals themselves (not counting those animals raised in awful conditions...even before I gave up most meat, I never ate veal, for example), since it has further reaching implications.
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Post by muzzle on Mar 29, 2013 9:06:51 GMT -5
Scientists are developing ways to create meat that will taste exactly the same as normal meat without ever laying hands on a poor lovely defenseless animal.
But you know, knowing mega corporations and greedy bastards, they'll be paying officials off for this breakthrough to not become the norm. Hopefully this won't be the case.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Mar 29, 2013 9:16:13 GMT -5
A lot of people criticise vegans/vegetarians for being vocal about their beliefs but it's important to remember they view animals on a par with humans. In their view treating animals 'inhumanely' is on a par with other historical inhumane acts such as slavery, the holocaust etc and if nobody had spoken out about those acts then we would never have progressed beyond them.
Again, not saying these are my views, I'm just offering another perspective for debate.
Here's the first 15 mins of Earthlings, the whole thing is on youtube however 15 minutes will probably be enough.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 29, 2013 10:02:15 GMT -5
A lot of people criticise vegans/vegetarians for being vocal about their beliefs but it's important to remember they view animals on a par with humans. In their view treating animals 'inhumanely' is on a par with other historical inhumane acts such as slavery, the holocaust etc and if nobody had spoken out about those acts then we would never have progressed beyond them. If you act like an asshole to people and scream at them that they're immoral and wrong, they aren't going to change, they're going to hunker down out of spite. That's the problem when you're so vocal about any stance, including being a meat eater (although that tends to be more mocking than attempting to convince others) And it's a really subjective stance to take in general.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Mar 29, 2013 10:23:30 GMT -5
inb4 "You don't make friends with salad!"
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Mar 29, 2013 12:39:24 GMT -5
A lot of people criticise vegans/vegetarians for being vocal about their beliefs but it's important to remember they view animals on a par with humans. In their view treating animals 'inhumanely' is on a par with other historical inhumane acts such as slavery, the holocaust etc and if nobody had spoken out about those acts then we would never have progressed beyond them. If you act like an asshole to people and scream at them that they're immoral and wrong, they aren't going to change, they're going to hunker down out of spite. That's the problem when you're so vocal about any stance, including being a meat eater (although that tends to be more mocking than attempting to convince others) And it's a really subjective stance to take in general. Sorry, I know a few vegans and I've never heard them scream at anyone that they're immoral or wrong (though I'm sure they exist). Most just ask for people, via social media etc, to inform themselves before making a decision on the matter. I wasn't sure if that's what people were referring to as far as being all 'in their faces' about their beliefs. When you care deeply about something it can be difficult not to get wound up though when people simply respond with 'I don't care' or something akin to that. It is certainly a subjective stance I will agree with you there, one that I'm not even sure whether I agree with, I was simply offering it out there for discussion.
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