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Post by ThatDamnPotato on Mar 28, 2013 23:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get it...it was a good match
Why does everybody give HHH or this match so much hate?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 23:13:00 GMT -5
Because Triple H was racist in the build up, so people were expecting the WWE to do the logical thing and have Booker to go over to show the racist getting defeated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 23:13:41 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get it...it was a good match Why does everybody give HHH or this match so much hate? Because HHH won despite making comments during the build up that could be taken as racist ("guys like you......"). |
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Post by Starshine on Mar 28, 2013 23:14:44 GMT -5
Also it took Trips about 15 minutes to pin Book after that one Pedigree.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 28, 2013 23:15:28 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get it...it was a good match Why does everybody give HHH or this match so much hate? Because HHH won despite making comments during the build up that could be taken as racist ("guys like you......"). This, plus HHH won after hitting 1 pedigree on Booker, and then taking forever to actually go for the cover, making Booker look terrible. |
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Post by ThatDamnPotato on Mar 28, 2013 23:19:38 GMT -5
Well just re-watched the match...yeah I thought booker was gonna kick out from that pedigree and then I was like...oh ok Tbh I think the swagger storyline is more 'racist' than the booker one, from seeing the video package it was all about booker t being a thug when he was younger...no? Am I just being naive  |
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 28, 2013 23:20:36 GMT -5
Yeah, for as much as the "Reign of Terror" gets blown out of proportion to almost laughable levels.......I just can't defend how bad this made Booker look.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Mar 28, 2013 23:22:10 GMT -5
Well just re-watched the match...yeah I thought booker was gonna kick out from that pedigree and then I was like...oh ok Tbh I think the swagger storyline is more 'racist' than the booker one, from seeing the video package it was all about booker t being a thug when he was younger...no? Am I just being naive It was also HHH's comments leading up to the match. "You should be carrying my bags!" "People like you don't become World Champion". |
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Post by mizerable on Mar 28, 2013 23:23:39 GMT -5
It wasn't a good match...it was an okay match. The only thing I enjoyed was Triple H pulling out the Indian Deathlock, something I don't recall seeing since then.
But even though I figured Booker was losing, I'm still disappointed that it happened.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 28, 2013 23:23:50 GMT -5
Well just re-watched the match...yeah I thought booker was gonna kick out from that pedigree and then I was like...oh ok Tbh I think the swagger storyline is more 'racist' than the booker one, from seeing the video package it was all about booker t being a thug when he was younger...no? Am I just being naive It was also HHH's comments leading up to the match. "You should be carrying my bags!" "People like you don't become World Champion". I'm pretty sure he also told Booker to dance for him and to entertain him. |
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Post by ThatDamnPotato on Mar 28, 2013 23:33:13 GMT -5
None of this stuff really shocks me anyway there have been way worse storylines in WWE
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Post by mizerable on Mar 28, 2013 23:37:18 GMT -5
None of this stuff really shocks me anyway there have been way worse storylines in WWE Well it was coming off two really bad storylines with Triple H...so at the time a lot of people were pissed that they had to endure even more bad storylines of Triple H making love to corpses or doing pose downs. |
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Post by mjolnir on Mar 28, 2013 23:38:04 GMT -5
And, it included two bits, one of which I think is in the hype video, of Flair making equally racist comments about Booker and Hiatch conversing about it.
Basically, Triple H made alot of racial references and racist comments about Booker. Including a water melon quip and a quip about Booker's "big lips". Implying he, a well off white man, was Booker's better because he was a black man, who came from nothing and had a troubled past.
Then Triple H during the match hit his finisher once, took forever to cover Booker, and pinned him clean from it. Proving, in a story telling sense and a classic pro-wrestling sense, the racist white man was right. His opinion was validated because he did beat Booker. Booker was inferior to him.
It wasn't as over the top as Swagger, but it was definitely there. And, it's why alot of fans don't care for the build or for the match. In fact, I know a few fans it turned off the product completely because of how tasteless they thought it was.
Also, unlike this, it's pretty clear Swagger's going to get his at Wrestlemania. Proving the racist bigot wrong and letting good, and equality, triumph over evil.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 23:47:40 GMT -5
To this day that's the only angle and match that I can't even watch again. It disgusts me and upsets me. Everything was set up well if Booker won the match. He was extremely over, he was going to WM, Triple H was being racist and to top it off Booker had earned his dues. Then on the grandest stage of them all not only was Booker shot down on that level but he did it after 1 Pedigree, Booker was pinned after being downed for a long while and then finally Booker never got his revenge. It was just overall bad taste.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 0:05:34 GMT -5
To go back and watch it, already knowing how deflating the ending will be, the match itself is good. They worked really well together, good mix of styles. But Booker was my guy, the racism rubbed me the wrong way, and then with how it went down and Triple H didn't get any comeuppance was one of the times I can remember thinking "screw this. I'm done with wrestling" and let to me not watching for about 5 years.
To me, if Triple H was capable of that (and I do put it on him, he's smart enough to know how bad that was and had the stroke to change it), he's capable of the other less obvious burials he's been accused of.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Mar 29, 2013 0:37:00 GMT -5
Booker was the hottest babyface in the company at the time and losing at WM really cooled him off.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 29, 2013 3:30:17 GMT -5
Things that never get mention about this match/angle:
A) It was Flair's interference that set up the ending.
B) Booker T, despite assertions to the contrary, wasn't on the cusp of breaking through. Also, if he'd won, who'd he work with that's not HHH? Jericho? Does a Booker T/Y2J series (considering Jericho's character at the time) sound like something that could've carried the RAW brand in the post-WM slump?
C)It was the 4th marquee match on a stacked 'Mania. Arguably 5th, considering how well Jericho/HBK turned out. It's not like Booker lost in a true main-event, or that it was ever presented as being the 'true' main-event program.
D)The racial undercurrent was very unfortunate, but it screamed of such 'get some heat on this, it's sagging' desperation, I feel it would be an immense effort on my part to be offended. Something else that never gets mentioned, HHH's 'guys like you' line, once uttered, was subjected to 1,000 miles of backtracking on Hunter's part. Every skit, promo and VT thereafter focused on HHH referring to Booker's background, prison-term and career than Book's colour.
E)I imagine the reason why Booker never got a set-up for payback may have a lot to do with the fact that, once the WM match was over, the 'E wanted to just forget about the mess they'd made of it.
As an aside, this 'Reign of Terror' business is stupid. The only 'victims' I can think of would be Goldberg and Orton. Orton's first WHC/face run got aborted due to WWE's impatience to have a top-line 'cool' face, but it broke, due to Orton having no idea what to do as a face at the time.
Goldberg was just bad luck. HHH was meant to drop it at Summerslam, but once his injury cropped up, he didn't want to waste a near-year run losing it uneventfully in a multi-man. I would agree. By the time Unforgiven rolled around a month later, the spark had gone.
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Post by TGM on Mar 29, 2013 7:58:08 GMT -5
Things that never get mention about this match/angle: A) It was Flair's interference that set up the ending. B) Booker T, despite assertions to the contrary, wasn't on the cusp of breaking through. Also, if he'd won, who'd he work with that's not HHH? Jericho? Does a Booker T/Y2J series (considering Jericho's character at the time) sound like something that could've carried the RAW brand in the post-WM slump? C)It was the 4th marquee match on a stacked 'Mania. Arguably 5th, considering how well Jericho/HBK turned out. It's not like Booker lost in a true main-event, or that it was ever presented as being the 'true' main-event program. D)The racial undercurrent was very unfortunate, but it screamed of such 'get some heat on this, it's sagging' desperation, I feel it would be an immense effort on my part to be offended. Something else that never gets mentioned, HHH's 'guys like you' line, once uttered, was subjected to 1,000 miles of backtracking on Hunter's part. Every skit, promo and VT thereafter focused on HHH referring to Booker's background, prison-term and career than Book's colour. E)I imagine the reason why Booker never got a set-up for payback may have a lot to do with the fact that, once the WM match was over, the 'E wanted to just forget about the mess they'd made of it. As an aside, this 'Reign of Terror' business is stupid. The only 'victims' I can think of would be Goldberg and Orton. Orton's first WHC/face run got aborted due to WWE's impatience to have a top-line 'cool' face, but it broke, due to Orton having no idea what to do as a face at the time. Goldberg was just bad luck. HHH was meant to drop it at Summerslam, but once his injury cropped up, he didn't want to waste a near-year run losing it uneventfully in a multi-man. I would agree. By the time Unforgiven rolled around a month later, the spark had gone. |
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Post by metylerca on Mar 29, 2013 8:25:53 GMT -5
Things that never get mention about this match/angle: A) It was Flair's interference that set up the ending. B) Booker T, despite assertions to the contrary, wasn't on the cusp of breaking through. Also, if he'd won, who'd he work with that's not HHH? Jericho? Does a Booker T/Y2J series (considering Jericho's character at the time) sound like something that could've carried the RAW brand in the post-WM slump? C)It was the 4th marquee match on a stacked 'Mania. Arguably 5th, considering how well Jericho/HBK turned out. It's not like Booker lost in a true main-event, or that it was ever presented as being the 'true' main-event program. D)The racial undercurrent was very unfortunate, but it screamed of such 'get some heat on this, it's sagging' desperation, I feel it would be an immense effort on my part to be offended. Something else that never gets mentioned, HHH's 'guys like you' line, once uttered, was subjected to 1,000 miles of backtracking on Hunter's part. Every skit, promo and VT thereafter focused on HHH referring to Booker's background, prison-term and career than Book's colour. E)I imagine the reason why Booker never got a set-up for payback may have a lot to do with the fact that, once the WM match was over, the 'E wanted to just forget about the mess they'd made of it. As an aside, this 'Reign of Terror' business is stupid. The only 'victims' I can think of would be Goldberg and Orton. Orton's first WHC/face run got aborted due to WWE's impatience to have a top-line 'cool' face, but it broke, due to Orton having no idea what to do as a face at the time. Goldberg was just bad luck. HHH was meant to drop it at Summerslam, but once his injury cropped up, he didn't want to waste a near-year run losing it uneventfully in a multi-man. I would agree. By the time Unforgiven rolled around a month later, the spark had gone. |
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Post by chazraps on Mar 29, 2013 8:36:59 GMT -5
Well just re-watched the match...yeah I thought booker was gonna kick out from that pedigree and then I was like...oh ok Tbh I think the swagger storyline is more 'racist' than the booker one, from seeing the video package it was all about booker t being a thug when he was younger...no? Am I just being naive Yes, yes you are. The WWE has, to the best of my knowledge, NEVER done a racist storyline that concluded with the racist proving that every racist thing he said was correct. That's why it's such a particular sore spot. Things that never get mention about this match/angle: B) Booker T, despite assertions to the contrary, wasn't on the cusp of breaking through. Also, if he'd won, who'd he work with that's not HHH? Jericho? Does a Booker T/Y2J series (considering Jericho's character at the time) sound like something that could've carried the RAW brand in the post-WM slump? C)It was the 4th marquee match on a stacked 'Mania. Arguably 5th, considering how well Jericho/HBK turned out. It's not like Booker lost in a true main-event, or that it was ever presented as being the 'true' main-event program. D)The racial undercurrent was very unfortunate, but it screamed of such 'get some heat on this, it's sagging' desperation, I feel it would be an immense effort on my part to be offended. Something else that never gets mentioned, HHH's 'guys like you' line, once uttered, was subjected to 1,000 miles of backtracking on Hunter's part. Every skit, promo and VT thereafter focused on HHH referring to Booker's background, prison-term and career than Book's colour. B) Yes, Booker WAS on the cusp of being returned to a top spot. While Trips' comments (rightfully) overshadowed it, they spent that month heading into Mania building up Booker as a believable threat to the championship. As bad as this time was, the video packages were never better. And, if he won, he could have still worked with Triple H to get the belt back on him, even the next month or the next night. The point it, the company used their biggest stage of the year to say without consequence "This racist was right." C) I don't think that's fair to say. It was a substantial chunk of Raw at the time when there was only one singles belt on the brand. D) But the backtracking was also smothered in "does that make me a racist.../I'm not racist but" wording that just made his allegations seem even more racist. |
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