The Angle slam.

[Vice honcho room temperature]

When was the last time he got a 3 with it.

When he first came in it was a normal finisher like the rock bottom and the SC stunner. Soon slowly people kick out. And now noone ever stays down for the 3 count yet it still is a believable close count. The only time now is jobbers getting hit with it only to have the ankle lock rather than the pin.

[tamuthetongantiger]

Was thinking that, too. It's become a "kind of finisher." He MIGHT get the pin with it, these days, but it's unlikely and has turned into just a signature move. Too bad, I think, since Angle is exactly the guy who should have an impact finisher AND a submission finisher.

[Psy]

The thing is, half the time it doesn't look like a credible finish. The rest of the time, it looks fantastic. He should use a judgement slam, or something new... freshen up the character a little bit. Maybe a schwein.

[The Deadly Snake]

psychotideman said:

The thing is, half the time it doesn't look like a credible finish. The rest of the time, it looks fantastic. He should use a judgement slam, or something new... freshen up the character a little bit. Maybe a schwein.

The bissue is that he does it differently now. He used to go under/in between an arm and a leg, and does a complete 180 degree spin.

It looks way better when a guy is running.

The new one he does is more of a modified back drop. Instead of hooking the guys back, he hooks the leg.

[tamuthetongantiger]

I think it's still very credible, even though he's changed how he does it. The thing about it now is that he can hit it with as much ease and surprise that other guys deliver with a move like a DDT. Problem is... it doesn't end matches anymore.

[marvelocity]

Finishers usually start to look more like crap over time (see Stunner, Walls of Jericho, Pedigree).

BTW, when did the name change from Olympic Slam to Angle Slam?

[The Deadly Snake]

marvelocity said:

Finishers usually start to look more like crap over time (see Stunner, Walls of Jericho, Pedigree).

BTW, when did the name change from Olympic Slam to Angle Slam?

They are slightly different moves. And probably trademark infringment.

[slopslopslop]

I heard the Olympic commitee didn't want the Olympic name associated with Professional Wrestling or something, so the move's name was changed

[Se7en: Horse That Wrote Poems]

The Angle Slam is a lame finsher, that's why it doesn't won matches anymore.
It's a modified backdrop.

I don't remember, but the old Olympic Slam doesn't seem that much different.

[The Jeebus]

Kurt Angle should get the three count with the Angle Slam a lot more often, considering that he works the backs of is opponents in 99% of his matches.

He did win his last WWE Championship with the Angle Slam, though.

[tmp2005]

marvelocity said:

Finishers usually start to look more like crap over time (see Stunner, Walls of Jericho, Pedigree).

Yeah, it always seems like they eventually just start phoning it in. Like, the FU used to look pretty good, but now Cena doesn't even drop to his knees anymore.

[KyleR007]

I think the WWE caught onto the fact that it didn't look enough like a true finish, that's why he started using the ankle lock, because it looks like it hurts.

[slopslopslop]

tmp2005 said:

marvelocity said:

Finishers usually start to look more like crap over time (see Stunner, Walls of Jericho, Pedigree).

Yeah, it always seems like they eventually just start phoning it in. Like, the FU used to look pretty good, but now Cena doesn't even drop to his knees anymore.

That's actually kind of a good thing. Atleast he isn't doing a fully-fledged Firemans Carry, which is probably the most retarded move to pick as a finisher.

Now it's just a standing variation of the firemans carry, still incredibly lame, but not AS weak. But it wasnt a strong move to begin with, at all.

It'd be like someone using a chinlock as a submission finisher.

[tmp2005]

Yeah, but with the drop to the knees, it had more of a Death Valley Driver feel. To me, at least.

[tamuthetongantiger]

slopslopslop said:

I heard the Olympic commitee didn't want the Olympic name associated with Professional Wrestling or something, so the move's name was changed

Oh, ta heck with the Olympic Committee! As if some international non-profit could give the WWF problems!

Oh...

But, back on point, it is annoying to me that the Olympic hierarchy has given Angle so many problems (he can't even use the medals he won as a prop) while they have no problem supporting Olympians who wind up on cereal boxes or in ice skating shows.

[The Deadly Snake]

slopslopslop said:

tmp2005 said:

Yeah, it always seems like they eventually just start phoning it in. Like, the FU used to look pretty good, but now Cena doesn't even drop to his knees anymore.

That's actually kind of a good thing. Atleast he isn't doing a fully-fledged Firemans Carry, which is probably the most retarded move to pick as a finisher.

Now it's just a standing variation of the firemans carry, still incredibly lame, but not AS weak. But it wasnt a strong move to begin with, at all.

It'd be like someone using a chinlock as a submission finisher.

He should do it more like a Juvi/Michunoku driver.

[shiranui]

ampulator said:

He should do it more like a Juvi/Michunoku driver.

I remember him doing that once, I think it was sometime after Wrestlemania in a handicap match against the Bashams when he won the match with a Death Valley into Michinoku Driver type version of the FU. That was the best FU I've ever seen, too bad he hasn't done a similar one since.

[hbk619 - QUACK!]

The angle Slam looks really weak, to me, and doesnt look like it would hold anyone down for three. Unles it was done off the tope rope.

[Libertine]

I've never thought that the Angle Slam ever looked credible. I remember watching his first televised match with Shawn Stasiak, and when he pinned him with the move I was fairly dissapointed.

[angryfan]

But it was Stasiak, he deserves to get beaten with horrific looking moves, and lead pipes, must not forget those.