Top 10 Most pushed Divas of all time

[BigWill]

Apr 20, 2013 17:44:50 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

Apr 20, 2013 17:37:42 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

Sunny is an absolute must on this sort of list. In the early days of super-widespread internet use, she was one of the biggest things around for a bit.

Does Stephanie McMahon count? She automatically makes #1, if so. Miss Kitty was pretty over-pushed during her tenure. If there is a bonus slot for special attractions that were pushed hard when they were around but weren't a part of the regular crew - Mae Young and Moolah. Hell, they even gave Moolah the strap again.

I was trying to focus more on wrestlers and less on valets/personalities (Otherwise Vickie, Stephanie, Sunny etc. would be very high on my list), but I was more aiming towards who was given the most opportunities to succeed both in the ring, on the mic, and character development wise over the course of their entire careers.

If that were the case, why is AJ even on the list?

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Apr 20, 2013 13:09:54 GMT -5 Totorob101 said:

Trish is number one for me, the most overhyped female of all time for me. She was ok in the ring but i just never understood how she is rated as one of the best of all time.

Because being great in the ring doesn't equal being the best of all time. If that were the case, everyone would be talking about Dean Malenko and Lance Storm more than John Cena or The Rock.

Trish Stratus is one of (if not the greatest) Diva of all time for similar reasons Hulk Hogan is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Charisma, crowd reaction, personality, mic skills etc.

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Apr 20, 2013 18:30:26 GMT -5 celticjobber said:

Torrie Wilson was a pretty big part of Smackdown for about a year or two, so she deserves to be on the list. And I really don't remember Melina getting much of a big push.

1. Chyna
2. Trish
3. Lita
4. Sable
5. Torrie Wilson
6. AJ Lee
7. Michelle McCool
8. Mickie James
9. Dawn Marie
10. Candice Michelle

While I agree with everyone else on your list, I don't think Dawn Marie was overpushed, you would explain me why/how?

[Dat Dude]

Apr 20, 2013 18:43:30 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Apr 20, 2013 17:44:50 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

I was trying to focus more on wrestlers and less on valets/personalities (Otherwise Vickie, Stephanie, Sunny etc. would be very high on my list), but I was more aiming towards who was given the most opportunities to succeed both in the ring, on the mic, and character development wise over the course of their entire careers.

If that were the case, why is AJ even on the list?

She is still an active wrestler though and considering the heights of her massive push (as well as pushes to come in the future) it would be kinda tough to leave her out of the top ten. She was given a lot of time on the mic, a lot of character development and was involved in matches of major importance on TV shows and PPV cards as a wrestler/ref/manager etc.

[BigWill]

Apr 20, 2013 19:36:48 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

Apr 20, 2013 18:43:30 GMT -5 BigWill said:

If that were the case, why is AJ even on the list?

She is still an active wrestler though and considering the heights of her massive push (as well as pushes to come in the future) it would be kinda tough to leave her out of the top ten. She was given a lot of time on the mic, a lot of character development and was involved in matches of major importance on TV shows and PPV cards as a wrestler/ref/manager etc.

For all we know AJ could get released next month, and Kaitlyn could end up becoming the next Trish Stratus. So I don't see the point in putting her on the list just based on what may or may not even happen.

And on her present accomplishments, AJ's done next to nothing as a wrestler. No title wins, or even title feuds, and she's been booked as little more than a jobber any time she gets in the ring a competent diva. And I don't really see the importance of being the ref of one midcard match. And anything she's done as a manager, Vickie's done a lot more.

I personally wouldn't have AJ anywhere near my list of top 10 divas, as the only time she's been put in a signifigant role was during the scandal with Cena, and that lasted what, a couple of months? That's hardly anything compared to the course of an entire career.

[Dat Dude]

Apr 20, 2013 19:54:22 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Apr 20, 2013 19:36:48 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

She is still an active wrestler though and considering the heights of her massive push (as well as pushes to come in the future) it would be kinda tough to leave her out of the top ten. She was given a lot of time on the mic, a lot of character development and was involved in matches of major importance on TV shows and PPV cards as a wrestler/ref/manager etc.

For all we know AJ could get released next month, and Kaitlyn could end up becoming the next Trish Stratus. So I don't see the point in putting her on the list just based on what may or may not even happen.

And on her present accomplishments, AJ's done next to nothing as a wrestler. No title wins, or even title feuds, and she's been booked as little more than a jobber any time she gets in the ring a competent diva. And I don't really see the importance of being the ref of one midcard match. And anything she's done as a manager, Vickie's done a lot more.

I personally wouldn't have AJ anywhere near my list of top 10 divas, as the only time she's been put in a signifigant role was during the scandal with Cena, and that lasted what, a couple of months? That's hardly anything compared to the course of an entire career.

Fair enough, I can understand that point of view. So who would be your 10 top of most pushed divas then?

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Apr 20, 2013 19:54:22 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Apr 20, 2013 19:36:48 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

She is still an active wrestler though and considering the heights of her massive push (as well as pushes to come in the future) it would be kinda tough to leave her out of the top ten. She was given a lot of time on the mic, a lot of character development and was involved in matches of major importance on TV shows and PPV cards as a wrestler/ref/manager etc.

For all we know AJ could get released next month, and Kaitlyn could end up becoming the next Trish Stratus. So I don't see the point in putting her on the list just based on what may or may not even happen.

And on her present accomplishments, AJ's done next to nothing as a wrestler. No title wins, or even title feuds, and she's been booked as little more than a jobber any time she gets in the ring a competent diva. And I don't really see the importance of being the ref of one midcard match. And anything she's done as a manager, Vickie's done a lot more.

I personally wouldn't have AJ anywhere near my list of top 10 divas, as the only time she's been put in a signifigant role was during the scandal with Cena, and that lasted what, a couple of months? That's hardly anything compared to the course of an entire career.

How about being the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn or the centerpiece of the Punk/Bryan feud? She hasn't been getting pushed for too terribly long but since early last year she's been the most prominently-booked woman on the roster by a wide margin. She's getting angles that nobody's gotten in nearly a decade, so let's not downplay how strong her push as been in relation to other females, especially the intensity of her pushes in relation to roster duration.

She's not working matches full-time, but does so intermittently, so she definitely fits into the wrestler category (unlike Sunny).

[Sparkybob]

I had trouble with coming up a list because my mind always associates push with getting overpushed or getting to much relative to the talent that person. For example I don't think trish got over-pushed, especially towards the last 3-4 years of her run because she was deserving it, while I think someone like Mccool got push a bit to much.

So while I get what what you are saying, its just my mind has a different meaning in mind

[BigWill]

Apr 20, 2013 20:06:00 GMT -5 Dat Dude said:

Apr 20, 2013 19:54:22 GMT -5 BigWill said:

For all we know AJ could get released next month, and Kaitlyn could end up becoming the next Trish Stratus. So I don't see the point in putting her on the list just based on what may or may not even happen.

And on her present accomplishments, AJ's done next to nothing as a wrestler. No title wins, or even title feuds, and she's been booked as little more than a jobber any time she gets in the ring a competent diva. And I don't really see the importance of being the ref of one midcard match. And anything she's done as a manager, Vickie's done a lot more.

I personally wouldn't have AJ anywhere near my list of top 10 divas, as the only time she's been put in a signifigant role was during the scandal with Cena, and that lasted what, a couple of months? That's hardly anything compared to the course of an entire career.

Fair enough, I can understand that point of view. So who would be your 10 top of most pushed divas then?

Similar to your, but I'd make some slight changes.

1. Trish
2. Chyna
3. Lita
4. Sable
5. Michell McCool
6. Mickie James
7. Beth Phoenix
8. Melina
9. Eve
10. Kelly Kelly

[BigWill]

Apr 20, 2013 20:14:09 GMT -5 @mightykretzler said:

Apr 20, 2013 19:54:22 GMT -5 BigWill said:

For all we know AJ could get released next month, and Kaitlyn could end up becoming the next Trish Stratus. So I don't see the point in putting her on the list just based on what may or may not even happen.

And on her present accomplishments, AJ's done next to nothing as a wrestler. No title wins, or even title feuds, and she's been booked as little more than a jobber any time she gets in the ring a competent diva. And I don't really see the importance of being the ref of one midcard match. And anything she's done as a manager, Vickie's done a lot more.

I personally wouldn't have AJ anywhere near my list of top 10 divas, as the only time she's been put in a signifigant role was during the scandal with Cena, and that lasted what, a couple of months? That's hardly anything compared to the course of an entire career.

How about being the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn or the centerpiece of the Punk/Bryan feud? She hasn't been getting pushed for too terribly long but since early last year she's been the most prominently-booked woman on the roster by a wide margin. She's getting angles that nobody's gotten in nearly a decade, so let's not downplay how strong her push as been in relation to other females, especially the intensity of her pushes in relation to roster duration.

She's not working matches full-time, but does so intermittently, so she definitely fits into the wrestler category (unlike Sunny).

Eve was the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn, not AJ. And AJ was a plot device for Punk vs Bryan, not the centerpiece. They weren't fighting over her, they were fighting for the WWE title. AJ was only brought in so they could continue the feud longer than a month without people getting bored by the same match over and over. And her roles in male storylines aren't as rare as you seem to put it. Eve, Kelly Kelly, and Vickie have all been involved in important male storylines in the WWE recently. If you're only looking at a small chunk of someones career then sure, one could argue her placement, but over an entire career, she's done very little. In a few years time, I could even see her make top 5, but right now, I think it's a bit premature.

[Sparkybob]

Apr 20, 2013 20:14:09 GMT -5 @mightykretzler said:

Apr 20, 2013 19:54:22 GMT -5 BigWill said:

For all we know AJ could get released next month, and Kaitlyn could end up becoming the next Trish Stratus. So I don't see the point in putting her on the list just based on what may or may not even happen.

And on her present accomplishments, AJ's done next to nothing as a wrestler. No title wins, or even title feuds, and she's been booked as little more than a jobber any time she gets in the ring a competent diva. And I don't really see the importance of being the ref of one midcard match. And anything she's done as a manager, Vickie's done a lot more.

I personally wouldn't have AJ anywhere near my list of top 10 divas, as the only time she's been put in a signifigant role was during the scandal with Cena, and that lasted what, a couple of months? That's hardly anything compared to the course of an entire career.

How about being the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn or the centerpiece of the Punk/Bryan feud? She hasn't been getting pushed for too terribly long but since early last year she's been the most prominently-booked woman on the roster by a wide margin. She's getting angles that nobody's gotten in nearly a decade, so let's not downplay how strong her push as been in relation to other females, especially the intensity of her pushes in relation to roster duration.

She's not working matches full-time, but does so intermittently, so she definitely fits into the wrestler category (unlike Sunny).

How did she turn Big Show heel? Because Big Show's heel turn was due to joining up with Big Johnny and nothing to do with AJ.

Also the whole D-bryan/Punk feud was still a mid card feud until after No Way Out and that only started Main eventing because the wwe had no other storyline at that time so they went with the default one. So yes she got push heavy in that 4-5 week period but then she dropped off pretty quickly until she got placed in another mid card storyline with cena.

[kidglov3s]

Apr 20, 2013 20:31:11 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:14:09 GMT -5 @mightykretzler said:

How about being the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn or the centerpiece of the Punk/Bryan feud? She hasn't been getting pushed for too terribly long but since early last year she's been the most prominently-booked woman on the roster by a wide margin. She's getting angles that nobody's gotten in nearly a decade, so let's not downplay how strong her push as been in relation to other females, especially the intensity of her pushes in relation to roster duration.

She's not working matches full-time, but does so intermittently, so she definitely fits into the wrestler category (unlike Sunny).

How did she turn Big Show heel? Because Big Show's heel turn was due to joining up with Big Johnny and nothing to do with AJ.

Also the whole D-bryan/Punk feud was still a mid card feud until after No Way Out and that only started Main eventing because the wwe had no other storyline at that time so they went with the default one. So yes she got push heavy in that 4-5 week period but then she dropped off pretty quickly until she got placed in another mid card storyline with cena.

You mean the midcard storyline that main evented TLC? A match in which AJ heavily impacted the outcome of? Kind of like how she heavily impacted the outcome of the WWE title match at Summerslam, Money in the Bank and No Way Out? It's cute how you guys try to downplay what we all lived through. Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic.

If you guys are going to call an angle with John Cena in 2012 a midcard storyline I'm going to have to call that intellectual dishonesty.

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Apr 20, 2013 20:28:40 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:14:09 GMT -5 @mightykretzler said:

How about being the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn or the centerpiece of the Punk/Bryan feud? She hasn't been getting pushed for too terribly long but since early last year she's been the most prominently-booked woman on the roster by a wide margin. She's getting angles that nobody's gotten in nearly a decade, so let's not downplay how strong her push as been in relation to other females, especially the intensity of her pushes in relation to roster duration.

She's not working matches full-time, but does so intermittently, so she definitely fits into the wrestler category (unlike Sunny).

Eve was the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn, not AJ. And AJ was a plot device for Punk vs Bryan, not the centerpiece. They weren't fighting over her, they were fighting for the WWE title. AJ was only brought in so they could continue the feud longer than a month without people getting bored by the same match over and over. And her roles in male storylines aren't as rare as you seem to put it. Eve, Kelly Kelly, and Vickie have all been involved in important male storylines in the WWE recently. If you're only looking at a small chunk of someones career then sure, one could argue her placement, but over an entire career, she's done very little. In a few years time, I could even see her make top 5, but right now, I think it's a bit premature.

I can give you the Big Show thing. It wasn't the direct cause of the turn, for sure. Although, I think him accidentally decking her was what put him on the road there.

But the Punk/Bryan feud? Since when is WWE afraid of repetition? They don't care about that. This recent WM and their propensity for redoing matches would subvert your point. They brought AJ into it, and they made it about her. She was getting a crap ton of promo time, she pushed them through a table, hijacked Bryan's chant and they spent an inordinant amount of time focused on who (between them or Kane) she was interested in. The WWE title was secondary to AJ in that feud, and that's why so many people last year (myself included) were so disappointed by what was going on.

Eve's interactions with main eventers were a lot more limited than that. The Ryder/Kane/Cena stuff was quite brief, and after that, she was put into a "backstage authority figure" role, which is strongly on the side of periphery. Not that she didn't get a lot of time randomly getting pushed as a wrestler, hence why I 100 percent agree with her on the list, but her time in a main event angle is very unlike AJ's. Kelly Kelly is a hard one to really analyze since they bounced back and forth between pushing her as a character of interest and making her a bottom-tier jobber. As for Vickie, she doesn't really count here, since she's not a wrestler.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Apr 20, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:31:11 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

How did she turn Big Show heel? Because Big Show's heel turn was due to joining up with Big Johnny and nothing to do with AJ.

Also the whole D-bryan/Punk feud was still a mid card feud until after No Way Out and that only started Main eventing because the wwe had no other storyline at that time so they went with the default one. So yes she got push heavy in that 4-5 week period but then she dropped off pretty quickly until she got placed in another mid card storyline with cena.

You mean the midcard storyline that main evented TLC? A match in which AJ heavily impacted the outcome of? Kind of like how she heavily impacted the outcome of the WWE title match at Summerslam, Money in the Bank and No Way Out? It's cute how you guys try to downplay what we all lived through. Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic.

If you guys are going to call an angle with John Cena in 2012 a midcard storyline I'm going to have to call that intellectual dishonesty.

Normally, a Cena storyline wouldn't be a midcard angle. But the AJ/Cena story was pretty much that. It was relegated to the preshow. And it never closed out RAW. The AJ/Cena angle was just for the sake of keeping Cena on TV while he was injured. It started out as a midcard storyline, and the only reason it became anything more than that was because of Punk getting injured. Otherwise Punk vs. Ryback would've been the main event.

[Dat Dude]

Apr 20, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic.

"I WAS THERE WHEN THE SANITY OF MEN ACROSS THE NET FAILED"

[kidglov3s]

Apr 20, 2013 20:46:34 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

You mean the midcard storyline that main evented TLC? A match in which AJ heavily impacted the outcome of? Kind of like how she heavily impacted the outcome of the WWE title match at Summerslam, Money in the Bank and No Way Out? It's cute how you guys try to downplay what we all lived through. Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic.

If you guys are going to call an angle with John Cena in 2012 a midcard storyline I'm going to have to call that intellectual dishonesty.

Normally, a Cena storyline wouldn't be a midcard angle. But the AJ/Cena story was pretty much that. It was relegated to the preshow. And it never closed out RAW. The AJ/Cena angle was just for the sake of keeping Cena on TV while he was injured. It started out as a midcard storyline, and the only reason it became anything more than that was because of Punk getting injured. Otherwise Punk vs. Ryback would've been the main event.

I'm sorry but this is craziness. You can't say something involving John Cena, that takes the cover of the DVD and is the last match on the show, but really something being the only thing that John Cena is doing, in 2012, is not main event. That's simply not true.

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Apr 20, 2013 20:54:44 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:46:34 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Normally, a Cena storyline wouldn't be a midcard angle. But the AJ/Cena story was pretty much that. It was relegated to the preshow. And it never closed out RAW. The AJ/Cena angle was just for the sake of keeping Cena on TV while he was injured. It started out as a midcard storyline, and the only reason it became anything more than that was because of Punk getting injured. Otherwise Punk vs. Ryback would've been the main event.

I'm sorry but this is craziness. You can't say something involving John Cena, that takes the cover of the DVD and is the last match on the show, but really something being the only thing that John Cena is doing, in 2012, not main event. That's simply not true. That's craziness.

Agreed here. Cena was getting main events over Punk in spite of Punk holding the belt. That was more or less the basis for Punk turning.


Let's not forget that with AJ, they totally wrecked the essence of Punk's character. It was bad enough seeing him bend his knee to Triple H, but playing Mister Nice Guy to the Genki Girl was just terrible.

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Apr 20, 2013 14:07:24 GMT -5 @akeem said:

No diva has anything on that couple of months where AJ was EVERYWHERE on WWE TV. That was brutal.

Obviously different for many reasons, but Chyna was slated to main event Summerslam 99 at one point. She was also IC champion. AJ had those 3 wild months, but they don't compare to Chyna's presence throughout her career.

[Sparkybob]

Apr 20, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:31:11 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

How did she turn Big Show heel? Because Big Show's heel turn was due to joining up with Big Johnny and nothing to do with AJ.

Also the whole D-bryan/Punk feud was still a mid card feud until after No Way Out and that only started Main eventing because the wwe had no other storyline at that time so they went with the default one. So yes she got push heavy in that 4-5 week period but then she dropped off pretty quickly until she got placed in another mid card storyline with cena.

You mean the midcard storyline that main evented TLC? A match in which AJ heavily impacted the outcome of? Kind of like how she heavily impacted the outcome of the WWE title match at Summerslam, Money in the Bank and No Way Out? It's cute how you guys try to downplay what we all lived through. Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic.

If you guys are going to call an angle with John Cena in 2012 a midcard storyline I'm going to have to call that intellectual dishonesty.

It was mid card angle. It never main evented raw, usually done on the first part if the show, and only main evented TLC due to Punk was out and they probably didn't have confidence in the shield to main event a major PPV.

The no way out one? By then the angle was still mid carding the show. Cena/Big Johnny had the closing angles and had the most build towards the PPV. I give you Money in the bank but they literally had no other angle for that ppv. They stuck cena in the ladder match and it's pretty hard to push a Money in the bank ladder match as your closing angles on the show, so they elevate there only other feud at the time to the main event.

At Summerslam, she was the gm.... unless you believe Vickie setting up Cena's title matches is her being in the main event as well? Basically after the first couple of weeks of Gm, she had very little screen time and presence.

[BigWill]

Apr 20, 2013 20:43:24 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:31:11 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

How did she turn Big Show heel? Because Big Show's heel turn was due to joining up with Big Johnny and nothing to do with AJ.

Also the whole D-bryan/Punk feud was still a mid card feud until after No Way Out and that only started Main eventing because the wwe had no other storyline at that time so they went with the default one. So yes she got push heavy in that 4-5 week period but then she dropped off pretty quickly until she got placed in another mid card storyline with cena.

You mean the midcard storyline that main evented TLC? A match in which AJ heavily impacted the outcome of? Kind of like how she heavily impacted the outcome of the WWE title match at Summerslam, Money in the Bank and No Way Out? It's cute how you guys try to downplay what we all lived through. Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic.

If you guys are going to call an angle with John Cena in 2012 a midcard storyline I'm going to have to call that intellectual dishonesty.

NWO and TLC sure, but AJ had nothing to do with the Summerslam outcome, and she called the MITB match pretty much down the line.

And your irritations of everything AJ related are as entertaining as always.