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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:25:50 GMT -5
I don't really see where a stable that basically has no direction, no clear purpose, no real establishment, and only a small handful matches to its credit five months in is really something likely to be terribly memorable. Maybe something will happen with them along the line, but for now they seem to be pretty easy to forget given even WWE has most of what they do get no follow-up whatsoever. Eddie was pretty much a bust as champion, though under Benoit ratings stayed pretty consistent. Granted, outside of his first month with the title and his brief feud with Orton, Benoit was usually playing second-fiddle to Triple H and Shawn Michaels. Though Michaels being part of that still goes against Nash's point. In which way was Eddie a bust? Only negative I've ever heard about Eddie's title reign is that he didn't really want to be champion. He didn't really do too well ratings-wise. Might have been just coincidence, but for the last nine months or so SmackDown had mostly hovered around a 3.4, which for the last few months before his run got to fairly frequently being a 3.6, then within a month of his reign starting it dropped to mostly being around a 3.0. Though the ratings didn't start go up again until the last few months of JBL's reign, and even then it didn't stick, so probably not entirely on him. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 22, 2013 10:26:12 GMT -5
Austin was a brick house. I can't believe anyone would call Stone Cold "small". Wasn't Austin actually bigger than Rock his prime? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:27:42 GMT -5
In which way was Eddie a bust? Only negative I've ever heard about Eddie's title reign is that he didn't really want to be champion. He didn't really do too well ratings-wise. Might have been just coincidence, but for the last nine months or so SmackDown had mostly hovered around a 3.4, which for the last few months before his run got to fairly frequently being a 3.6, then within a month of his reign starting it dropped to mostly being around a 3.0. Though the ratings didn't start go up again until the last few months of JBL's reign, and even then it didn't stick, so probably not entirely on him. Fair enough, but the ratings for the RAW slipped below 3.0 several times with guys like Cena and Punk on top. Does that mean they're not draws? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:29:55 GMT -5
He didn't really do too well ratings-wise. Might have been just coincidence, but for the last nine months or so SmackDown had mostly hovered around a 3.4, which for the last few months before his run got to fairly frequently being a 3.6, then within a month of his reign starting it dropped to mostly being around a 3.0. Though the ratings didn't start go up again until the last few months of JBL's reign, and even then it didn't stick, so probably not entirely on him. Fair enough, but the ratings for the RAW slipped below 3.0 several times with guys like Cena and Punk on top. Does that mean they're not draws? Well, wrestling in general has slipped a lot from nine years ago, but still, Cena's ability to bring in new fans or keep existing ones around probably could be a lot better. And really, as popular as he is I don't think outside of his merch (which, that hideous yellow shirt aside, usually looks pretty good, which might be a factor) Punk is a draw, given the shows he's headlined mostly don't do as well as expected and just how many record-low overruns he's had. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 22, 2013 10:31:11 GMT -5
Austin was a brick house. I can't believe anyone would call Stone Cold "small". Wasn't Austin actually bigger than Rock his prime? If their billed heights and weights were anywhere near accurate, Rock had 2 inches and 13lbs on Austin, so no. As far as the big/small debate goes, I consider the likes of Hogan, Undertaker, Sid, and Nash to be the archetype for the "big guys" and Bret, Shawn, Savage, Punk, Eddie, and Benoit the "small guys". Rock, HHH, Cena, Austin are in the grey area in between. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:33:21 GMT -5
Fair enough, but the ratings for the RAW slipped below 3.0 several times with guys like Cena and Punk on top. Does that mean they're not draws? Well, wrestling in general has slipped a lot from nine years ago, but still, Cena's ability to bring in new fans or keep existing ones around probably could be a lot better. And really, as popular as he is I don't think outside of his merch (which, that hideous yellow shirt aside, usually looks pretty good, which might be a factor) Punk is a draw, given the shows he's headlined mostly don't do as well as expected and just how many record-low overruns he's had. I just think "being a draw" has so many factors that it's hard to measure exactly who draws more than who, especially in this day and age. Obviously guys like Hogan and Austin drew tons, as evidenced by how popular the WWF got when they were on top. Other than that though, it's difficult to gage all the factors like merchandise, ratings, PPV buys, live event attendance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 10:34:44 GMT -5
Well, wrestling in general has slipped a lot from nine years ago, but still, Cena's ability to bring in new fans or keep existing ones around probably could be a lot better. And really, as popular as he is I don't think outside of his merch (which, that hideous yellow shirt aside, usually looks pretty good, which might be a factor) Punk is a draw, given the shows he's headlined mostly don't do as well as expected and just how many record-low overruns he's had. I just think "being a draw" has so many factors that it's hard to measure exactly who draws more than who, especially in this day and age. Obviously guys like Hogan and Austin drew tons, as evidenced by how popular the WWF got when they were on top. Other than that though, it's difficult to gage all the factors like merchandise, ratings, PPV buys, live event attendance. This is true. Probably the best way to put it I'd say is that Punk is definitely a huge draw merch-wise and likely attendance-wise in some areas, but TV... Not so much. How that all balances out though is hard telling. |
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 22, 2013 10:58:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this is above my station, but I often the impression with Nash, especially in recent years, that a lot of the more flame-baiting comments he comes up with generally have the ulterior motive of 'what can I say to keep myself relevant?'.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 22, 2013 11:03:18 GMT -5
between DVR and the fact that only a small fraction of people still have Neilsen boxes, I have no idea why tv ratings get used to gauge whether or not X Wrestler is a draw anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 11:14:18 GMT -5
between DVR and the fact that only a small fraction of people still have Neilsen boxes, I have no idea why tv ratings get used to gauge whether or not X Wrestler is a draw anymore. Well, as flawed as the rating system is the networks still base everything they do around it, and in the end keeping Raw on the air is really what's most important to WWE. If the ratings got low enough that USA dropped it and no other network would pick it up, they'd be finished. |
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Post by Renslayer on Apr 22, 2013 13:19:48 GMT -5
I think that nowadays they actually use actual billings. Wasn't there a story a year or so ago about WWE changing things to reflect real life heights and weights. That would make his homeboy HBK even smaller. Either way, Nash is just full of it for most of the time, and intentionally says "ridiculous" thing just to create buzz. I think Nash just enjoys stirring the pot and watching the resulting chaos, knowing that it keeps him semi-relevant long after he has stopping being able to offer anything in the ring full time. So he's a troll then? |
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Post by aaronslip on Apr 22, 2013 13:25:24 GMT -5
A likable one, yes.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Apr 22, 2013 13:30:52 GMT -5
Nash just farted and tore his quad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 13:34:30 GMT -5
Nash just farted and tore his quad. Why is that making me picture him as one of the Assblasters from Tremors? I haven't even seen any of those movies. |
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Apr 22, 2013 13:44:15 GMT -5
Does anybody honestly believe that in 2013 a person bases their enjoyment of a pro wrestling competition on how jacked and tanned a performer is?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 13:47:40 GMT -5
Does anybody honestly believe that in 2013 a person bases their enjoyment of a pro wrestling competition on how jacked and tanned a performer is? I can see where it could make some difference in certain respects, but just because nobody'd likely respond to Ryback's gestures and taunts or chant, "Feed me more!" doesn't mean big guys are better, more just that it's a big guy gimmick. By the same token I don't think Mysterio would be nearly as popular if he were two feet taller, 300 pounds heavier, and a fifth as fast just because he still had the mask. |
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Post by amaron on Apr 22, 2013 13:48:08 GMT -5
While I enjoy listening to behind the scenes stories, I find it hard to believe any wrestler 100%. Too many times you see people who are just trying to work the smarks.
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Post by Chip on Apr 22, 2013 18:29:08 GMT -5
Big Kev also said Punk should have a 14 month run with the belt.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 22, 2013 18:31:41 GMT -5
By the same token I don't think Mysterio would be nearly as popular if he were two feet taller, 300 pounds heavier, and a fifth as fast just because he still had the mask. Sadly, Rey seems determined to test your hypothesis. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 22, 2013 18:59:40 GMT -5
As part of the nWo, yeah. His single pushes when he didn't have the nWo name attached to him? Not so much. Well he drew for WCW on top in 99. They were getting solid ratings during his reign at the top and the Hogan/Nash match on January 4th 1999 almost beat RAW in the ratings for the first time in 3 months. One could make the argument that nWo in the WWE was a draw as well at least until around Judgement Day. Nash's feud with Triple H did decent money and Nash was a big star in TNA too. He drew. He was a pretty poor WWF Champion but the entire business was down at that time. WCW was in the red in 1999, so that first statement is entirely false. The year before they were profitable. In 1999, they were in debt tens of millions. Nash did nothing on his own in WCW. And he drew less in WWF. He's considered wrestling's greatest failure as a single's attraction --despite booking himself to be champion in both companies. |
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