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Post by Cronant on Apr 23, 2013 15:43:35 GMT -5
Is he? I do remember 2007-8 ish when some face was getting beat down by heels who had nothing to do with Cena and the crowd chanted his name like it was his job to save them. Of course its not near as prevalent these days but the whole "you're my friend" thing with Ryback had me thinking. Its not even like they were even close really, and Cena himself doesn't really expect Orton or Sheamus or whomever to get his back whenever he goes up against the heel stable.
I always thought it would have been cool for Cena to 'save' like 2-3 different faces before a big match and then lose said match because he wasn't 100% after helping everyone else.
Keep in mind the guy willingly gave up title shots for others before. (Ryder and Ryback)
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Apr 23, 2013 15:45:02 GMT -5
Well his initials are J.C.
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Post by CrazySting on Apr 23, 2013 15:46:04 GMT -5
He would save them, but his video game addiction means he's usually busy in the back while these things are going on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 15:48:38 GMT -5
He saved ever person ever that was bullied, he cured breast cancer, why don't you guys love him?
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Post by molson5 on Apr 23, 2013 15:50:45 GMT -5
Well, Ryback is the heel here so no, he's a little out of line to suggest that Cena has the responsibility to monitor and protect him at all times. But, there is maybe a kernel of truth to what he's saying, I mean, Ryback has saved Cena numerous times. We'll see how well this whole feud turns out when I kind of like it when heels have a point. I always remember Paul Orndorff turning on Hogan for being an ego-maniac and for failing to see him as an equal and even as I kid I was all, "uh ya Hulk, the guy kind of has a point." Poor Paul just wanted to be accepted and he finally found friends that appreciated him in the Heenan family. It was pretty deep.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 15:54:28 GMT -5
It doesn't make any sense, especially in the case of Ryback.
I just mentioned it in another topic but Ryback TRIED TO END CENA'S CAREER just because a few years ago and now he's crying because the same guy he tried to kill now only saves him from beatdowns some of the time and not all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 16:13:38 GMT -5
From a kayfabe standpoint, I don't see why not. Cena is like WWE's Goku. He's so strong that he can beat 90 percent of the people on the roster toe-to-toe without batting an eye, 100 percent of the time, so what means he can't go in there and smack a few mid-carders around?
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 23, 2013 16:26:38 GMT -5
From a kayfabe standpoint, I don't see why not. Cena is like WWE's Goku. He's so strong that he can beat 90 percent of the people on the roster toe-to-toe without batting an eye, 100 percent of the time, so what means he can't go in there and smack a few mid-carders around? And just like Goku, he never shows up when you need him to.
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Post by Cronant on Apr 23, 2013 16:28:38 GMT -5
Yeah, lets compare him to Goku.
Who was more concerned about fighting someone strong than saving everyone most of the time. In fact, Cena as Buu era Goku is a nice comparison.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Apr 23, 2013 16:35:11 GMT -5
He saved Bret Hart once.People got pissed he was butting in to other peoples business.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 16:36:02 GMT -5
Yeah, lets compare him to Goku. Who was more concerned about fighting someone strong than saving everyone most of the time. To be fair, he had the power to wish everyone back if he waited long enough. And he still saved people. And freaked out when certain people died. When does Cena ever show that kind of psychological weakness?
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Post by OGJB is Slender on Apr 23, 2013 16:45:05 GMT -5
It doesn't make any sense, especially in the case of Ryback. I just mentioned it in another topic but Ryback TRIED TO END CENA'S CAREER just because a few years ago and now he's crying because the same guy he tried to kill now only saves him from beatdowns some of the time and not all of the time. The Nexus thing? The Ryback & Skip Sheffield are treated as 2 completely different entities.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 23, 2013 16:57:44 GMT -5
Did Ryback ever really save Cena or did Ryback just want to fight The Shield? Because it seemed like the latter to me.
I think people want to side against Cena here so aren't really questioning Ryback's logic.
I guess Cena still could have helped Ryback more than he did. But Superman has to leave Batman to look after himself sometimes.
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Post by 543Y2J on Apr 23, 2013 17:02:14 GMT -5
Embrace the Cena
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Post by angryfan on Apr 23, 2013 17:06:06 GMT -5
In terms of the feud? Nope. However, in terms of the character...yes, absolutely. Cena is all about respect and fighting fair and such, doing the right thing and all, so if he's facing Ryback, er "the Ryback" I guess now, then he HAS to save him every time. If he doesn't, then he's not facing a guy who's "100%" and that's an unfair advantage.
Yes, I'm being cheesy, but if the posterboy for the anti-bullying who can't turn because of the kids (his words) then he has to set an example. Yes, beat the "bad guy", but in doing so, don't let others do it because that's not right either.
To be honest, I think it would at least be a little intriguing. Yes, I like a heel with a valid point, but we've seen it before. Heel saves the face from a beatdown and says "I want you all to myself, I don't want excuses when I kick your ass". Why not let the babyface do it?
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Post by mrjl on Apr 23, 2013 17:09:57 GMT -5
Well, Ryback is the heel here so no, he's a little out of line to suggest that Cena has the responsibility to monitor and protect him at all times. But, there is maybe a kernel of truth to what he's saying, I mean, Ryback has saved Cena numerous times. We'll see how well this whole feud turns out when I kind of like it when heels have a point. I always remember Paul Orndorff turning on Hogan for being an ego-maniac and for failing to see him as an equal and even as I kid I was all, "uh ya Hulk, the guy kind of has a point." Poor Paul just wanted to be accepted and he finally found friends that appreciated him in the Heenan family. It was pretty deep. Ryback saved Cena when Cena needed help against the guys Ryback had a grudge against. Not against Big E, or the Rock jumping him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 18:26:02 GMT -5
Yeah, lets compare him to Goku. Who was more concerned about fighting someone strong than saving everyone most of the time. To be fair, he had the power to wish everyone back if he waited long enough. And he still saved people. And freaked out when certain people died. When does Cena ever show that kind of psychological weakness? Nothing really bothers Cena. But when Del Rio won the WWE title WITH A BRIEFCASE it was akin to calling his mother a whore.
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Post by Cronant on Apr 23, 2013 19:12:31 GMT -5
To be fair, he had the power to wish everyone back if he waited long enough. And he still saved people. And freaked out when certain people died. When does Cena ever show that kind of psychological weakness? Nothing really bothers Cena. But when Del Rio won the WWE title WITH A BRIEFCASE it was akin to calling his mother a whore. Rock and Kane kinda bothered him. At least, the recent Rock feud did. And he almost murdered Swagger because of Kane.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 23, 2013 19:55:17 GMT -5
Well, Ryback is the heel here so no, he's a little out of line to suggest that Cena has the responsibility to monitor and protect him at all times. But, there is maybe a kernel of truth to what he's saying, I mean, Ryback has saved Cena numerous times. We'll see how well this whole feud turns out when I kind of like it when heels have a point. I always remember Paul Orndorff turning on Hogan for being an ego-maniac and for failing to see him as an equal and even as I kid I was all, "uh ya Hulk, the guy kind of has a point." Poor Paul just wanted to be accepted and he finally found friends that appreciated him in the Heenan family. It was pretty deep. Ryback saved Cena when Cena needed help against the guys Ryback had a grudge against. Not against Big E, or the Rock jumping him. Rock was the babyface there . The crowd cheered when Rock laid Cena out. I do however agree with your main point. I just wish they weren't going this route with Ryback. I don't want whiny Ryback vs Cena. I want heartless killer Ryback vs Cena. That way when Cena wins it'll be more impressive.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 23, 2013 19:59:37 GMT -5
Maybe Cena could have helped Ryback. BUT, there is an entire locker room of faces that could've run out to save him, so Ryback is a bit out of line by focusing all his energy and resentment towards Cena.
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