mizerable
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Post by mizerable on May 7, 2013 23:52:56 GMT -5
I personally don't think it's entrapment. I see where you're coming from, but for such a black-and-white crime as child molestation is, I think for anybody to say yes at any point to it shows the type of willingness to break the law that would have happened whether the scenario was set-up or not. Here's the uncut Feinstein transcripts for anybody who hasn't seen them - inyourheadonline.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21772Perverted justice operates MUCH differently today, and I really believe they're keeping kids from being sexually abused. There's so many things that can incriminate someone, it's walking a fine line between what you should and shouldn't do, especially in an age where the internet almost grants someone a sense of invulnerability. Again, I'm not making any excuses for Feinstein, because shit...it's pedophilia. But the way you go about busting someone, it's definitely entrapment, and yes in cases like that, even the lowest scum on the face of the planet should not be incriminated for. It's about the right kind of justice, and these people clearly don't care because they'll use wrongful tactics to get their guy. And who is going to criticize them? After all, if we criticize how they do their work, does that mean we're supporting the pedophiles? Absolutely not. In my opinion, if Feinstein wasn't such a well known personality in the independent wrestling world, I can easily see him going back to seeking out kids. You can't just "shame" someone into going sober because there's something else at stake with these people. And if their desires go that deep, then they're going to seek it out again, no matter what the circumstances or laws are. Those who seriously have those issues will stop at NOTHING, so essentially Perverted Justice is not doing everything they can because they're just part of a big witch hunt. Unfortunately, as history will show, no amount of fear mongering is going to stop those who have the desire to continue to prey upon the innocent. So is using fear and temptation really essential in stopping these guys? No. Not at all. That's part of the problem. There is such a stigma of negativity around people who have an attraction to children, that most don't know how to seek out a problem. Honestly, what do you do? They're likely embarrassed and want to keep things under wraps, and as a norm of society, they're forced to keep things under wraps. But should they? Let's be honest here...Perverted Justice is only out to save one set of people, by any means necessary. What may have happened if instead of setting up a sting, they organized a self help meeting? Or something like that. I'm not saying it would do any good, but maybe seeing the reality of things before they escalate can help some people and keep them out of jail. I don't know...just food for thought.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 7, 2013 23:55:18 GMT -5
Sure, if the first post doesn't count. To play devil's advocate, I do wonder if Benoit acted in the heinous way he did due to head trauma. To be honest, I wouldn't place him at the top of the list because I doubt he came into the business as scummy as some of the people mentioned in this thread like Fritz Von Erich and Rob Feinstein. However, it was Chris Benoit who chose to abuse drugs, wrestle with severe concussions, and made all the other bad decisions that drove him into becoming the monster that devastated his family, and left the wrestling business and its fans to pick up the pieces. So, he would still rank pretty high on a list of wrestling's scumbags.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on May 8, 2013 0:07:03 GMT -5
Given that Benoit would force guys to do squats until blood would come out of their ass, I don't think he was ever exactly Mr. Rogers.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 8, 2013 0:26:42 GMT -5
To all this I say they were both wrong. I think Feinstein being the adult still should have said no, regardless of how many times he was asked. However the whole "Teenagers are not responsible for any actions of their's short of murder" thing is a complete load of Bull. That kid had to have known enough to not repeatedly egg him into it. I think that the world has recently created the whole teenagers are stupid, reckless, impulsive children thing and really it gives teenagers an excuse an excuse to do stupid bull crap they shouldn't be allowed to get away with. And the fact that I (a 15-year-old) am saying this really takes away most room for argument otherwise. I truly believe teenagers need to be held to a much higher standard than they are today, but even still giving in to a request like that no matter what is incredibly stupid. No, the fact that you're 15 kind of makes your entire point about the perception of teenage sexual activity invalid. No disrespect, but you have no real frame of reference or hindsight on the subject or the topic. Being 15, you're in the thick of one of the most volatile, confusing, exciting, times of your life. As it should be. I assure you that within three years, you're going to look back at a lot or at least some of your opinions, actions and world views right now (no matter what they are) with a bit of a cringe. It's human nature and part of the fun of growing up. You may have your head on straight enough to know that any adult trying to establish that type of relationship with you is bad news, but you shouldn't condemn those who may not be so fortunate. Good God, you couldn't be more patronizing if you tried to be. I've known Antihero for around a year now, and I had no idea he was in his teens up until he wrote this, because the posts I've seen from him have all been indistinguishable from posts made by adults. In fact, I'd say he's a better person than a good number of adults I've had the misfortune to cross paths with. What he's written here is not immature or childish or ignorant, but you're dismissing his arguments because "Oh, you're just a dumb little kid." There was a word I heard once that I thought was applicable to this kind of thing. It was "infantilizing". You are infantilizing everybody below a certain age, telling yourself and everybody who will listen that they are as dumb and as ignorant as infants. That's insulting to them and, as somebody who takes pride in some of the things he accomplished as a teenager, it's insulting to me. I consider myself to have become an adult in all the ways that mattered in my teenage years. I expected to be related to as an intellectual equal. Most people were considerate enough to do that. If anybody wasn't, if anybody dismissed me as stupid, I confronted them about it. Because of that, they stopped dismissing me as stupid, at least to my face. Oh, and as far as looking back on things you said and cringing? There's a chance you might be right about that, but it's hardly unique to teenage years. To this day, in my thirties, I will sometimes look back at things I've written and think to myself "That sucked, I can't believe I wrote that," or I'll think "That was stupid of me, I can't believe I did that." My personal experience has been that unless you are perfect, it never stops happening. You keep on making mistakes until the day you die, while (hopefully) learning from some of them. As for what Antihero said about teenagers getting away with things that they shouldn't: I agree, because I was subjected to a lot of bullying when I was a teenager, and I do not for one second believe that the people who did it to me didn't appreciate the nature of their actions. They knew that they were making me suffer, and that was entertaining for them. I saw a shrink back then, and he told me that he'd met kids who had it worse than I did. He told me about one kid who had a thick tree branch thrown at his head and got severely injured. He told me about another kid who literally threw up every single morning before he went to school, because the people he had to go to school with terrified him so much. Nothing much was done, because this was the '90s when people weren't doing a whole lot to stop bullying. I can only imagine what it'd be like to have to deal with cyber-bullying, which I fortunately didn't. Now I know what you might be thinking: "Well Socko, if you think that teenagers should be protected from bullying, why don't you think they should be protected from child molesters?" First of all, I hate all abuse, regardless of the age of the victim or the age of the perpetrator. I want it all stopped, if possible. But what was done to me was intentional abuse, abuse that I'd never asked for, and I knew that the people doing it to me were aware of the fact they were causing me pain because they would say things like "Oh, are you gonna cry now?" and so on. I defined "abuse" back then, as I do today, as being treated in a way that made me feel like complete shit. And being raped against my will back when I was a teenager, if that had happened, would have certainly qualified as that. But back then, I wanted to have a girlfriend, and I wanted to have sex, and part of the reason I was so miserable was because I was so lonely. I would have been happy to have anybody in my life. I wouldn't have cared if she had been 16 or 36. It would have made me happier, provided that the person I was with wasn't a manipulative psychological torturer sort of person. And if somebody wound up making me happier, making my life seem worth living, only to later get arrested and thrown in jail because what she had done had been perceived as "abuse" over my vehement protests that it was nothing of the sort... Don't tell me what abuse is. I know damn well what abuse is. Giving somebody what they explicitly ask for and say that they want more than anything in the world, whatever that may be, is not abuse as far as I'm concerned. And if you want to think I'm an evil person because I feel that way, go right ahead.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 8, 2013 0:29:51 GMT -5
Given that Benoit would force guys to do squats until blood would come out of their ass, I don't think he was ever exactly Mr. Rogers. There was also what he did to Daniel Puder in the Royal Rumble, along with Eddie Guerrero and Bob Holly. If he was trying to be the next Dynamite Kid, he succeeded. ...No. Not at all. That's part of the problem. There is such a stigma of negativity around people who have an attraction to children, that most don't know how to seek out a problem. Honestly, what do you do? They're likely embarrassed and want to keep things under wraps, and as a norm of society, they're forced to keep things under wraps. But should they? Let's be honest here...Perverted Justice is only out to save one set of people, by any means necessary. What may have happened if instead of setting up a sting, they organized a self help meeting? Or something like that. I'm not saying it would do any good, but maybe seeing the reality of things before they escalate can help some people and keep them out of jail. I don't know...just food for thought. Yes, and this is a big problem. Because you cannot just change your sexual desires through willpower. If you're hardwired a certain way, that's the way you are. I know because I have a fetish, which I'm not going to tell anybody what it is because I'm embarrassed about it. It's perfectly legal, but it's still embarrassing for me. I used to try very hard to make the desires that accompanied it go away, through sheer willpower. It didn't work. I didn't change. Fortunately for me, engaging in that particular activity harms nobody and doesn't have the potential to harm anybody. Fortunately for me, there are other people I've met who were interested in the same thing and didn't judge me for it when I told them about it. If you're sexually wired a certain way, you are stuck that way. Or, at the very least, it is extremely difficult for you to change. That's fine if you're straight, or gay, or bi, or otherwise attracted to adults...but if you end up wired with an attraction to prepubescent kids? What do you do then? You can wish for it to go away all you want, but it won't. You could kill yourself, I suppose, and I'm sure that a lot of pedophiles probably do just that rather than try to live the way they are. You could try being celibate your whole life, and miserable. And then there's the last thing, which is giving into temptation and having sex with people who are going to be traumatized forever by it, and being a monster. Maybe if society tried to figure out the causes of pedophilia and figure out ways to either prevent or cure it, or failing that to create some sort of facility pedophiles could commit themselves to voluntarily where they wouldn't ever run into any children and wouldn't be tempted to do anything, or something other than the current "Don't try to understand why they do what they do, just throw them all in prison and let them be tortured to death by the other inmates!" approach, things would be better. Nobody asks to be like that.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 8, 2013 0:38:35 GMT -5
Given that Benoit would force guys to do squats until blood would come out of their ass, I don't think he was ever exactly Mr. Rogers. There was also what he did to Daniel Puder in the Royal Rumble, along with Eddie Guerrero and Bob Holly. If he was trying to be the next Dynamite Kid, he succeeded. Well, I don't think we are going to get too many mentions of Eddie in this thread though, so I don't know if the Puder thing is really going to be considered that bad. Hell, they probably could have gotten just about anyone on the roster to stiff him that night given the wrestling culture on toughening up newbies. I will say that Benoit does have quite a bit of stories about him in regards to that sort of thing though, especially in the New Japan dojos. He was probably one of the biggest propagators in regards to hazing and punishing guys like that.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 8, 2013 0:55:49 GMT -5
There was also what he did to Daniel Puder in the Royal Rumble, along with Eddie Guerrero and Bob Holly. If he was trying to be the next Dynamite Kid, he succeeded. Well, I don't think we are going to get too many mentions of Eddie in this thread though, so I don't know if the Puder thing is really going to be considered that bad. Hell, they probably could have gotten just about anyone on the roster to stiff him that night given the wrestling culture on toughening up newbies. I will say that Benoit does have quite a bit of stories about him in regards to that sort of thing though, especially in the New Japan dojos. He was probably one of the biggest propagators in regards to hazing and punishing guys like that. It seems to be a cycle. Guys go through it, and then they go on to do it to the next generation, who go on to do it to the next one, etc. I've read that the dojos Benoit was in early in his career were particularly hard on foreigners as far as hazing and bullying went. So he started out on the receiving end.
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Post by TGM on May 8, 2013 5:50:23 GMT -5
I'd say Puder deserved it for attacking Kurt Angle. When you go into a wrestling match and try to break someone's arm, then you deserve what you get.
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Post by chazraps on May 8, 2013 8:48:35 GMT -5
No, the fact that you're 15 kind of makes your entire point about the perception of teenage sexual activity invalid. No disrespect, but you have no real frame of reference or hindsight on the subject or the topic. Being 15, you're in the thick of one of the most volatile, confusing, exciting, times of your life. As it should be. I assure you that within three years, you're going to look back at a lot or at least some of your opinions, actions and world views right now (no matter what they are) with a bit of a cringe. It's human nature and part of the fun of growing up. You may have your head on straight enough to know that any adult trying to establish that type of relationship with you is bad news, but you shouldn't condemn those who may not be so fortunate. Good God, you couldn't be more patronizing if you tried to be. I've known Antihero for around a year now, and I had no idea he was in his teens up until he wrote this, because the posts I've seen from him have all been indistinguishable from posts made by adults. In fact, I'd say he's a better person than a good number of adults I've had the misfortune to cross paths with. What he's written here is not immature or childish or ignorant, but you're dismissing his arguments because "Oh, you're just a dumb little kid." There was a word I heard once that I thought was applicable to this kind of thing. It was "infantilizing". You are infantilizing everybody below a certain age, telling yourself and everybody who will listen that they are as dumb and as ignorant as infants. That's insulting to them and, as somebody who takes pride in some of the things he accomplished as a teenager, it's insulting to me. I consider myself to have become an adult in all the ways that mattered in my teenage years. I expected to be related to as an intellectual equal. Most people were considerate enough to do that. If anybody wasn't, if anybody dismissed me as stupid, I confronted them about it. Because of that, they stopped dismissing me as stupid, at least to my face. Oh, and as far as looking back on things you said and cringing? There's a chance you might be right about that, but it's hardly unique to teenage years. To this day, in my thirties, I will sometimes look back at things I've written and think to myself "That sucked, I can't believe I wrote that," or I'll think "That was stupid of me, I can't believe I did that." My personal experience has been that unless you are perfect, it never stops happening. You keep on making mistakes until the day you die, while (hopefully) learning from some of them. As for what Antihero said about teenagers getting away with things that they shouldn't: I agree, because I was subjected to a lot of bullying when I was a teenager, and I do not for one second believe that the people who did it to me didn't appreciate the nature of their actions. They knew that they were making me suffer, and that was entertaining for them. I saw a shrink back then, and he told me that he'd met kids who had it worse than I did. He told me about one kid who had a thick tree branch thrown at his head and got severely injured. He told me about another kid who literally threw up every single morning before he went to school, because the people he had to go to school with terrified him so much. Nothing much was done, because this was the '90s when people weren't doing a whole lot to stop bullying. I can only imagine what it'd be like to have to deal with cyber-bullying, which I fortunately didn't. Now I know what you might be thinking: "Well Socko, if you think that teenagers should be protected from bullying, why don't you think they should be protected from child molesters?" First of all, I hate all abuse, regardless of the age of the victim or the age of the perpetrator. I want it all stopped, if possible. But what was done to me was intentional abuse, abuse that I'd never asked for, and I knew that the people doing it to me were aware of the fact they were causing me pain because they would say things like "Oh, are you gonna cry now?" and so on. I defined "abuse" back then, as I do today, as being treated in a way that made me feel like complete shit. And being raped against my will back when I was a teenager, if that had happened, would have certainly qualified as that. But back then, I wanted to have a girlfriend, and I wanted to have sex, and part of the reason I was so miserable was because I was so lonely. I would have been happy to have anybody in my life. I wouldn't have cared if she had been 16 or 36. It would have made me happier, provided that the person I was with wasn't a manipulative psychological torturer sort of person. And if somebody wound up making me happier, making my life seem worth living, only to later get arrested and thrown in jail because what she had done had been perceived as "abuse" over my vehement protests that it was nothing of the sort... Don't tell me what abuse is. I know damn well what abuse is. Giving somebody what they explicitly ask for and say that they want more than anything in the world, whatever that may be, is not abuse as far as I'm concerned. And if you want to think I'm an evil person because I feel that way, go right ahead. No, you clearly don't know what "Abuse" or what "taking advantage of someone sexually" is because you're suggesting a hypothetical 14-year-old has developed a level of sexual maturity. It's not a matter of "IQ" like you've suggested before. How much reading on the subject or experience with teenagers have you actually had? You're making the mistake of assuming that you're of the same sound mind today as you were then which, in all likelihood, isn't the case. If it is, which your posts are suggesting, then you should really find out what you're talking about before you try making a blanket statement for adolescents based on how you "think" you would have acted in a situation that you have absolutely no frame of reference for whatsoever. You, despite express dissatisfaction with the prospect of not wanting to be with a "manipulative psychological torturer sort of person" sound almost jealous of teenagers who've been sexually manipulated by adults. It's rape.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 8, 2013 9:07:11 GMT -5
Sure, if the first post doesn't count. Missed that
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 8, 2013 9:18:51 GMT -5
Good God, you couldn't be more patronizing if you tried to be. I've known Antihero for around a year now, and I had no idea he was in his teens up until he wrote this, because the posts I've seen from him have all been indistinguishable from posts made by adults. In fact, I'd say he's a better person than a good number of adults I've had the misfortune to cross paths with. What he's written here is not immature or childish or ignorant, but you're dismissing his arguments because "Oh, you're just a dumb little kid." There was a word I heard once that I thought was applicable to this kind of thing. It was "infantilizing". You are infantilizing everybody below a certain age, telling yourself and everybody who will listen that they are as dumb and as ignorant as infants. That's insulting to them and, as somebody who takes pride in some of the things he accomplished as a teenager, it's insulting to me. I consider myself to have become an adult in all the ways that mattered in my teenage years. I expected to be related to as an intellectual equal. Most people were considerate enough to do that. If anybody wasn't, if anybody dismissed me as stupid, I confronted them about it. Because of that, they stopped dismissing me as stupid, at least to my face. Oh, and as far as looking back on things you said and cringing? There's a chance you might be right about that, but it's hardly unique to teenage years. To this day, in my thirties, I will sometimes look back at things I've written and think to myself "That sucked, I can't believe I wrote that," or I'll think "That was stupid of me, I can't believe I did that." My personal experience has been that unless you are perfect, it never stops happening. You keep on making mistakes until the day you die, while (hopefully) learning from some of them. As for what Antihero said about teenagers getting away with things that they shouldn't: I agree, because I was subjected to a lot of bullying when I was a teenager, and I do not for one second believe that the people who did it to me didn't appreciate the nature of their actions. They knew that they were making me suffer, and that was entertaining for them. I saw a shrink back then, and he told me that he'd met kids who had it worse than I did. He told me about one kid who had a thick tree branch thrown at his head and got severely injured. He told me about another kid who literally threw up every single morning before he went to school, because the people he had to go to school with terrified him so much. Nothing much was done, because this was the '90s when people weren't doing a whole lot to stop bullying. I can only imagine what it'd be like to have to deal with cyber-bullying, which I fortunately didn't. Now I know what you might be thinking: "Well Socko, if you think that teenagers should be protected from bullying, why don't you think they should be protected from child molesters?" First of all, I hate all abuse, regardless of the age of the victim or the age of the perpetrator. I want it all stopped, if possible. But what was done to me was intentional abuse, abuse that I'd never asked for, and I knew that the people doing it to me were aware of the fact they were causing me pain because they would say things like "Oh, are you gonna cry now?" and so on. I defined "abuse" back then, as I do today, as being treated in a way that made me feel like complete shit. And being raped against my will back when I was a teenager, if that had happened, would have certainly qualified as that. But back then, I wanted to have a girlfriend, and I wanted to have sex, and part of the reason I was so miserable was because I was so lonely. I would have been happy to have anybody in my life. I wouldn't have cared if she had been 16 or 36. It would have made me happier, provided that the person I was with wasn't a manipulative psychological torturer sort of person. And if somebody wound up making me happier, making my life seem worth living, only to later get arrested and thrown in jail because what she had done had been perceived as "abuse" over my vehement protests that it was nothing of the sort... Don't tell me what abuse is. I know damn well what abuse is. Giving somebody what they explicitly ask for and say that they want more than anything in the world, whatever that may be, is not abuse as far as I'm concerned. And if you want to think I'm an evil person because I feel that way, go right ahead. No, you clearly don't know what "Abuse" or what "taking advantage of someone sexually" is because you're suggesting a hypothetical 14-year-old has developed a level of sexual maturity. It's not a matter of "IQ" like you've suggested before. How much reading on the subject or experience with teenagers have you actually had? You're making the mistake of assuming that you're of the same sound mind today as you were then which, in all likelihood, isn't the case. If it is, which your posts are suggesting, then you should really find out what you're talking about before you try making a blanket statement for adolescents based on how you "think" you would have acted in a situation that you have absolutely no frame of reference for whatsoever. You, despite express dissatisfaction with the prospect of not wanting to be with a "manipulative psychological torturer sort of person" sound almost jealous of teenagers who've been sexually manipulated by adults. It's rape. You know what would be making a mistake, one that I'd look back on later and say "That was stupid, I can't believe I did that"? Continuing this conversation. Fine, whatever, you win, every single time that anybody of age X is together with anybody of age Y, the older person is always some mustache-twirling villain who is enacting some kind of evil plan to destroy the younger person who cannot possibly be well-intentioned, and the life of the younger person will always be wrecked beyond repair. Whatever the f*** you say. I'm done.
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Post by chazraps on May 8, 2013 9:40:52 GMT -5
No, you clearly don't know what "Abuse" or what "taking advantage of someone sexually" is because you're suggesting a hypothetical 14-year-old has developed a level of sexual maturity. It's not a matter of "IQ" like you've suggested before. How much reading on the subject or experience with teenagers have you actually had? You're making the mistake of assuming that you're of the same sound mind today as you were then which, in all likelihood, isn't the case. If it is, which your posts are suggesting, then you should really find out what you're talking about before you try making a blanket statement for adolescents based on how you "think" you would have acted in a situation that you have absolutely no frame of reference for whatsoever. You, despite express dissatisfaction with the prospect of not wanting to be with a "manipulative psychological torturer sort of person" sound almost jealous of teenagers who've been sexually manipulated by adults. It's rape. You know what would be making a mistake, one that I'd look back on later and say "That was stupid, I can't believe I did that"? Continuing this conversation. Fine, whatever, you win, every single time that anybody of age X is together with anybody of age Y, the older person is always some mustache-twirling villain who is enacting some kind of evil plan to destroy the younger person who cannot possibly be well-intentioned, and the life of the younger person will always be wrecked beyond repair. Whatever the f*** you say. I'm done. When the person is 14-years-old and the adult is over twice their age, the scenario as you've described (with the possible exception of the moustache) is blindingly accurate. Glad you reached this conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 10:34:41 GMT -5
Oh the good old Hulkster, how could I forgot his classy actions.
Those Feinstein transcripts - lol.
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Post by azrael502 on May 8, 2013 11:22:11 GMT -5
ian rotten Vampiro Konnan and acording to some stories terry funk was a lot like moolah
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 8, 2013 13:27:07 GMT -5
I'd say Puder deserved it for attacking Kurt Angle. When you go into a wrestling match and try to break someone's arm, then you deserve what you get. Well, they DID wait till all the Tough Enough guys were tired from their training to surprise them with a shoot fight against an Olympic gold medalist. I don't blame him for trying to win. And another Benoit thing, as much of a joke as it became, he did steal Kevin Sullivan's wife.
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Post by mizerable on May 8, 2013 13:35:34 GMT -5
And another Benoit thing, as much of a joke as it became, he did steal Kevin Sullivan's wife. It's also funny that he tried to also go after Sullivan by claiming that he was providing an unsafe working environment, which led to him leaving, due to Mike Graham saying if Benoit had stolen his wife, he would deal with things differently. Of course it didn't help that Benoit was already paranoid and Nancy enjoyed stirring up shit. At least the silver lining here is that people are starting to realize that Sullivan wasn't a exactly terrible person during that period, like the WWE were painting him as during the early years after WCW had folded.
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Post by cool guy on May 8, 2013 17:12:27 GMT -5
Just so we're all clear here, there's no "in my opinion it wasn't entrapment". I haven't read these chat logs, but if he actually refused multiple times and they continued to try and convince him, that's entrapment. You can argue about whether it was justified or not, sure, but by definition it is in fact illegal and if the police had done it the case would have been thrown out.
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Post by SOR on May 8, 2013 17:26:30 GMT -5
Just so we're all clear here, there's no "in my opinion it wasn't entrapment". I haven't read these chat logs, but if he actually refused multiple times and they continued to try and convince him, that's entrapment. You can argue about whether it was justified or not, sure, but by definition it is in fact illegal and if the police had done it the case would have been thrown out. Feinstein never said he wasn't interested in going. From the transcript: If you read the rest of the chat Feinstein's only concern is that it may be the cops and he's sneaky about it too. He asks the kid on the telephone to play MTV and the Perverted Justice guy does. Once Feinstein is happy thinking that the "kid" is indeed who he says he is they plan to meet.
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Post by cool guy on May 8, 2013 17:34:39 GMT -5
Ugh that typing is horrendous.
Never mind, send that f*** to prison.
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Post by StuntGranny® on May 8, 2013 18:29:41 GMT -5
While what he said surely isn't as horrifying as what some others have done, but let's go ahead and add Jay Briscoe to this list of horrible people.
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