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Post by Big Bad Brad on May 7, 2013 17:47:41 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't been participating much I've been busy with the new game I started Tough Enough Goes Hollywood!I don't know what to think of the accusations of Wolf by Yami. Yami saying he knows 100% Wolf is mafia might give himself away of how he knows for sure Wolf is mafia. Vote: Wolf HurricaneIf Wolf flips town we can look at Yami a lot closer and those that vote for Wolf honestly I don't know but I feel I can trust Yami on this one I mean when someone is THAT sure you about have to go with them in the vote there are still a lot left in the game so even a misfire wouldn't hurt us to bad I'm really hoping this isn't a misfire, which ever way Wolf flips can show us if we can trust Yami or not in the future since he is the one whose 100% on Wolf being Mafia.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 7, 2013 18:47:02 GMT -5
I think Yami is just using his brain and experience to read the posts of Wolf and reach that conclusion.
He's taking a gamble and laying it all on the line by saying he is 100% sure that Wolf is mafia. Jono made that same gamble and ended up being correct about BRB.
Ultimately, I'll give this a bit more time for discussion before placing my vote, but right now I would say that I would be willing to place my vote on Wolf Hurricane.
Also: While it can't be assumed what roles they had, I feel with the Serial Killer gone, that this Janitor position is definitely a mafia role. Therefore both deaths, Stinger and Zack Morris were most likely town.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 7, 2013 19:16:11 GMT -5
Now's not the time for hesitation. I've belived that Yami was town for a good long while since before his lynch was stopped. You can go back and look at my posts right before that day phase ended if you don't believe me. I see no reason why not to trust him at this point:
Vote:Wolf Hurricane.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 7, 2013 19:16:41 GMT -5
Except Jono's accusation of BRB was not a gamble. He's the Jack of All Trades. He used his one investigation top find out BRB was Mafia. And i'm positive this is not just a gamble either.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 7, 2013 19:24:31 GMT -5
And let's hold off on any more votes. We don't want to rush this lynch. We need to use this day phase wisely and try and find Wolf's remaining partner
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 19:53:53 GMT -5
Wolf Hurricane (4): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Strong Brad!, Artificial Human #2
Not Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane 2. Mr B Natural Believes 3. The Shareholder Called Asher 4. Orange 7. "Timeless Star" Double H #2 (Formerly Cageking) 9. "Hollywood" Hawk Jefferson 10. "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz 11. Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) 13. Felandria (Jono) 14. Connor Mackenzie
With 14 of you left, it takes 8 votes for a lynch.
The deadline for a Day 5 lynch will be Sunday, May 13th at 5pm (EST).
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 7, 2013 20:22:29 GMT -5
And let's hold off on any more votes. We don't want to rush this lynch. We need to use this day phase wisely and try and find Wolf's remaining partner That would help a lot but, where do we start?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 7, 2013 20:35:40 GMT -5
If I know Mafia--- and I've played that side of the coin many times--- then I would suspect it's somebody whose kept his distance from Wolf. Maybe subtly defended him a few times, but nothing outright noticeable. Someone whose been watching their step as much as possible.
This is gonna require some definite investigation. We need to comb back over the past few day phases and keep an eye out for anybody who either defended Wolf at some point, but very seldom, or never mentioned the guy at all. Anyone whose defended him constantly is either sloppy scum or an unknowing townie. And I find it unlikely that such a scum wouldn't have exposed himself by now if that were the case.
Though with that said if Wolf is scum and he only has one ally left than that would mean the Mafia consists solely of a Roleblocker, probably a Janitor, and a Godfather. That seems a little light to me. It also doesn't account for the role cop I suspect could be apart of the troupe as well.
Also, if we buy into the fact that Hurricane could be our mystery Janitor then we could even examine his posts, go back and look at anytime he may have defended Morris or Stinger as well as any other confirmed townies.
I'll take a look at things myself later on, but anybody who wants to beat me to the punch by all means go for it.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 8, 2013 1:37:07 GMT -5
I can only confirm the following.
I roleblocked Wolf Hurricane last night.
So that would likely mean he is not the janitor, it does NOT preclude him from being Mafia.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 8, 2013 1:44:32 GMT -5
Okay, well then that definitely makes it less likely taking him out will put an end to the constant cover ups.
We can still get some information though that might help lead us in the right direction. I'll try and take a gander tonight and post my findings as soon as I can.
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Post by Orange on May 8, 2013 9:35:29 GMT -5
I'm putting together a long post right now, but I may lose power. If I don't I'll post that up, but I wanted to get this up to move the game along and to tell you guys to expect something from me soon if the weather cooperates.
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Post by Orange on May 8, 2013 10:03:02 GMT -5
I'm reading through the last thread right now, but after reading over Yami's last post, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and vote for Wolf Hurricane. You're putting yourself out on a awful long limb, Yami, and you're really willing to go up to bat for this lynch. It shows confidence, but it could also turn real bad for you if WH isn't the guy we want. However, because you're so sure, and because of things I learned in the last game, I'm willing to give you a chance. More on that later... However, in looking over the other thread, I found somebody else that really matches the criteria of "safe posts with not a whole lot of substance", and that's Magic knows Black Lives Matter. I won't be voting for him this day phase, simply because it'd likely be a vote gone to waste unless something changes (and albeit there's a lot of time left), but here's my case against him and why something is rubbing me the wrong way. Yeah, I'm not buying BRB as mafia. Honestly, I don't think he really meant anything by agreeing with the "Stay Calm and Lynch Mafia" comment. He was making a stereotypical day 1 "Yeah, let's get some mafia!" comment. Maybe I'm wrong but I just ain't seeing it yet. Also, I think it's good that Asher revealed himself because I was starting to get suspicious of him. Seeing someone vote this early in the game, especially for something as minor as that, just makes me feel...uneasy. As I said, if the criteria is "safe posts with not a whole lot of substance", then this post fits that PERFECTLY. It's not so much the fact that he didn't buy BRB as Mafia, as I didn't either, but it's the way the entire post is written - specifically the second part. "Also, I think it's good that Asher revealed himself because I was starting to get suspicious of him." Maybe that's an innocent post and I'm being a little too paranoid. However, it just seems to echo a general thought of "whew, I was getting suspicious of this guy so it's a good thing he revealed himself!" It's a thought that everybody can get behind, and it just seems very "safe" and "general", two things you want if you don't want to draw attention to yourself. Two pages later, we get this post. Honestly, I'm not feeling AH either. Seems to me that he was just trying to get some discussion going on day 1. I understand why people are voting since this is day one and you have to jump on any vibes you get but I'm not too sure on this one. When the lynch train starts on BRB, we don't hear a PEEP out of Magiconz. He explains as such, all wrapped up with another post containing yet more general thoughts and not a lot of substance. First of all, my bad. Like a complete moron, I forgot about this game for a couple of days. I'm probably gonna get heat for that and quite frankly, I deserve it. Second of all, Produceman made a pretty decent argument for BRB but...I still wouldn't call him mafia. I would just call him inexperienced. He's trying to get his feet wet. Now, if it turns out that he IS mafia, by all means, I'll take the heat for defending him but unless someone is able to get some evidence against on him now that it's Day 2 or he does something that REALLY sticks out as being scummy, I can't feel right voting for him. Here comes the post made by Magiconz with the absolute most substance, and the only one in which he doesn't tend to echo already well stated thoughts. I do agree that a lynch is key on this day, even if it means that there is a strong possibility of getting a fellow town member. As someone else said, it's a necessary evil. As far as BRB goes, that's a lot of information. So much so that you're kinda making suspicious. It just seems like you made a pretty big jump from "inexperienced rookie" to directing the conversation. The cause of this conversation could have been driven by discussion with your mafia buddies during the last night phase. Shows up pages later to throw in a vote for BRB for the reason he already stated. Doesn't really present any more information, but comfortably throws his vote in the hat after pages have gone by where everybody is grilling BRB. Very easy for him to slip in with the crowd and join in with the chanting, if you will. Kinda surprised to see people voting this early on. Can't say I'm against the aggressiveness. Still, I'm pretty sure about this vote now so I'll go ahead and cast it. Vote:BoilerRoomBrawlerThe fact you're now taking charge of the conversation despite being "inexperienced" makes me really suspicious. @wethespartans I'm not really suspicious of anyone but BRB for the reasons I've previously stated. Pages later, we get a post from Magiconz. It's virtually one of the only posts in which he includes independent reasoning for his feelings. They're solid points, but they come after the players were already very suspicious of Yami. Why would I bring this up? Because it relates to Magiconz's next post, in which I believe he inadvertently gives up himself and his playing style. First of all, and it looks like this has been established already but just to emphasize the point, no way AH and Yami are working together. I understand mafia members wanting to oppose each other so that nobody suspects them but they've been going at each other way too hard throughout this game. I'm pretty sure that one of them is mafia but I'm also pretty sure that one of them is town. As far as which one I believe is mafia, I have to go for Yami. Solid cases have been presented against both but for me, it comes down to one fact. BRB voted for AH on both days. Now, I know that mafia members for voting other mafia members isn't an uncommon practice but I just don't see them doing it this early in the game. Why would they? The only two people that were targeted on day 1 and 2 were AH and BRB. Either way, they would have lost a mafia member if AH was mafia. It just doesn't make sense to me. Vote: Yami RedgraveHere's the post in which I believe he gives himself away, and it's through another general thought. Orange does make a good argument against Joker. BUT, I wouldn't call him mafia. Voting for someone who was inactive and had received no votes the day before the phase ends is such a bizarre move that I kinda want to say that he can't be mafia. Why not just go with the pack and vote for Yami if he was mafia? Why draw that much attention yourself? It's just a really weird move. Admittedly, I may be wrong and he could be mafia but I'm thinking that it's a bizarre move by a townie instead of an incredibly stupid move by a mafia member. As of right now, Yami is still the frountrunner for getting my vote. As far as Jono goes, I believe him. He's putting himself out there without any real prodding by anybody to do so which makes me believe him. Again, I could be wrong but for the time being, I'll back him up on his role claim. As far as my activity goes, even though I haven't been super active in this thread, I feel that I've added to the discussion at numerous points. Still, I'll try to post in here more often. Bold text added by me, but that's the point I'm talking about. So far, that's all we've seen Magiconz do: slip in unquestioned and jump aboard a lynch train, even if it means one of your own (assuming) gets taken down. Now, Joker was serial killer, but it's still the point that that's all we've seen Magiconz do, and could have very well been thrown in by him to take any possible heat off of himself for doing the same thing. If it was presented that he knew it was a bad way to play, nobody would question him because he's aware of it, so there's no point for him to do the same thing he criticized. It's brilliant. The one thing I'll give Magiconz, as evidenced by this post, is that he agrees with me that his posts aren't very in-depth. Fair enough. Honestly, I'd be inclined to agree with your statement that I haven't really offered up many theories and haven't been very in-depth with my posts. I've been playing a pretty passive game so far so I'll try to change that. Wasn't my intent at all to dismiss the claims against BRB. I accepted that people felt that way, I just didn't agree with it on day one. On day 2, there was a very noticeable change in BRB's style, as if he was trying to overcompensate for his lack of experience which lead to all of the heat being put on him on day one. Something seemed amiss so I voted for him. As far as who I think is suspicious right now: Yami: OH WOW, looking back on the post where I voted for Yami, I meant to include a part explaining WHY I was voting for him but I guess I must have accidentally deleted it before I posted. My bad on that one. My reasoning for voting for Yami boiled down to the fact that he and BRB voted against AH on day 2, which lead me to believe that they were in cahoots. Pretty weak reasoning, I know, but I felt strongly about it at the time and felt that his death could have provided some much needed information. I was under the belief that either AH or Yami had to be mafia/third party because of how much they were going at each other. Since AH was voted against by a mafia member and was later revealed to be town, I'm believe that Yami is mafia/third party. I could be way off base with this but this is who I'm leaning towards. If I absolutely had to vote today, this is where I would place it. Produceman: Honestly, I kinda feel like he's trying TOO hard to single people out. He played a role in BRB's lynching so he isn't mafia. But, there is a possibility that he's part of a third party and is trying to make sure the town doesn't target his teammates. Inactives: This was a factor in you calling me out, right? It's very fair to be suspicious of people who aren't posting that much or just don't throw in any theories of their own. In particular, I don't think Hawk Jefferson or the Real Slim sMurfy have said too much or even voted. I know that real life comes first but I would like to hear more from these guys if possible. That's all I got right now. That post was in response to a post made by MrBRulzOK, in which B calls out some of the same points I'm making here. So, obviously, I'm not too off base with my criticisms if the actual player can see it, too. Magiconz would also throw a lynch in for Joker, while fully admitting that he didn't feel he was scum, which shows honesty when looking at his older posts about Joker. And, unless I missed some, that's every single post from Magiconz in the last thread. Most are theory-less, safe, and they echo general thoughts. I don't like them, and I hope that the next day phase, where a possible lynch would make more sense seeing as how we're focused on Wolf Hurricane right now, you guys will look at my case and consider it. But, for the time being, I'll cast my vote for Wolf Hurricane Vote: Wolf Hurricane
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Post by Yami Daimao on May 8, 2013 11:38:17 GMT -5
Interesting work there, Orange. If you did in fact look through all of Magiconz posts, then you would have saw that I too thought he "rubbed" me the wrong way (since he questioned it) a while back. I started second guessing myself, because I felt I was over-thinking it, so I shrugged it off. But now you sorta re-opened the case for me. You're right, he does fit the safe player role, that I also find Wolf to fit, to a T.
Another point I want to bring up, is that the "we shouldn't rush a lynch because we need discussion" also has it's downside. It gives scum a good excuse to wait it out and vote a couple of votes before the hammer. In this case, Wolf's scum buddies now have a reason to vote for him in the last minute just in case their attempt to sway the heat on to someone else or at least off of Wolf, thus preventing his lynch, does not work. I'm definitely in favor of the general idea, discussion provides clues and evidence, but I also really dislike the negative effect it can have on the Town.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 8, 2013 16:54:35 GMT -5
Nice observations Orange. And again my apologies for being so quiet the past few days. Cold kicking my ass and work being super crazy have not helped. At this point I feel confident in Yami's belief that we should go after Wolf based on his observations and I can certainly see what Orange does with regards to Magiconz posts. For now though, consider me of the camp for Vote: Wolf Hurricane. It's the best option we have thus far.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 8, 2013 17:13:24 GMT -5
Magiconz has played a weird game no doubt. But, so did I in my first incarnation in this game. Remember, I also was skeptical about lynching BRB earlier in the day phase(before voting for him of course. Clearly, my expert gameplay at work ) for almost the same exact reasons. Everything else is pretty much fair game but there might be an explanation for that much I think. My question for Magiconz is, does he have any theories now or is he still just going along with general thoughts like he has? Maybe he has something and was just waiting for the right time to show it. Maybe it's a case of an inexperienced player not knowing how to maybe take the lead in a game(I still have trouble with that as well.) A FOS:Magiconz should suffice for now.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 8, 2013 17:23:29 GMT -5
Again, I'm sorry for playing a conservative game so far. Honestly, I'm not really sure what else I can say but that. I'll try to get more in-depth with my post because frankly, they have been lacking. I feel that they added to the discussion but I haven't provided many theories of my own. As far as Wolf Hurricane goes... it makes sense. I've always been a bit suspicious of Yami but man, that's a ballsy move for a mafia member to place a vote so early. I'm not saying it completely rules out the idea of Yami being mafia but it certainly goes against it. He's really laying it all on the line at the beginning of the day phase and I respect that. Because of that, I will vote for Wolf. Although, I will say this. If Wolf Hurricane turns up town, I will see this as a mafia member taking charge and leading the town to go in the direction that they want them to go and WILL place a vote on Yami. No questions asked.
Something else I want to say. AH or more specifically, The Real Slim Smurfy 2.0. Something about his inactivity bugged me. The fact that he actually dropped of the game might imply that he really did just have to catch up on some real life stuff but the fact that he never even placed a vote really worries me and makes me feel like he didn't have the town's best intentions at heart. Since AH adopted his role, he also picks up my suspicion of him.
I would say that I'm suspicious of Hawkeye too but in every game that I've ever played with him, he's been fairly quiet so I've kinda accepted it. Still, something to keep in mind if he ever turns up.
Vote: Wolf Hurricane
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 8, 2013 17:30:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Magiconz was someone who really raised my alarms after glancing over his posts again in the last thread. He seems to have stepped his game up though ever since we called him on it. Although that could simply be a better attempt by him to blend in.
But right now it's not worth looking at him when we have Wolf Hurricane in the limelight right now.
I went back and looked at all of Hurricane's posts in these past few days. And honestly if there's one word I can use to describe most of them it's discerning.
The guy has been very inquisitive about anyone and everyone, seeming to doubt everybody and press them for information when they don't give a sufficient amount. He's only voted seemingly when he was very sure of something. The two people he did vote for so far are Yami and Joker. We know one turned out to be the serial killer, but there's nothing that says scum wouldn't get rid of that guy if possible or even that he knew he was a Serial Killer at the time.
There are two schools of thought I have about this:
Either he's truly in the town's best interest and his inquisitiveness is a genuine attempt at him at trying to help the town find who we need to find.
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He's doing like others have said and has done a fabulous job of playing the role.
And to be honest... I could go either way right now. But before I place a vote I would like to hear from the wolf's mouth himself. Ever since talk has begun to spread about him the guy has been pretty tight-lipped. I have to wonder exactly why that is.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 8, 2013 17:31:14 GMT -5
Just to add onto something that Orange brought, IIRC, my reasoning for being suspicious of Asher before he revealed himself was that he was going after BRB hard who, at the time, I didn't believe was mafia. It came off as way too aggressive way too early in the game for my tastes.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 8, 2013 18:41:37 GMT -5
Again, I'm sorry for playing a conservative game so far. Honestly, I'm not really sure what else I can say but that. I'll try to get more in-depth with my post because frankly, they have been lacking. I feel that they added to the discussion but I haven't provided many theories of my own. As far as Wolf Hurricane goes... it makes sense. I've always been a bit suspicious of Yami but man, that's a ballsy move for a mafia member to place a vote so early. I'm not saying it completely rules out the idea of Yami being mafia but it certainly goes against it. He's really laying it all on the line at the beginning of the day phase and I respect that. Because of that, I will vote for Wolf. Although, I will say this. If Wolf Hurricane turns up town, I will see this as a mafia member taking charge and leading the town to go in the direction that they want them to go and WILL place a vote on Yami. No questions asked. Something else I want to say. AH or more specifically, The Real Slim Smurfy 2.0. Something about his inactivity bugged me. The fact that he actually dropped of the game might imply that he really did just have to catch up on some real life stuff but the fact that he never even placed a vote really worries me and makes me feel like he didn't have the town's best intentions at heart. Since AH adopted his role, he also picks up my suspicion of him. I would say that I'm suspicious of Hawkeye too but in every game that I've ever played with him, he's been fairly quiet so I've kinda accepted it. Still, something to keep in mind if he ever turns up. Vote: Wolf HurricaneI can't speak for the way Smurfy played before I took over. I can only play and speak for my own game.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 8, 2013 18:59:31 GMT -5
I understand that, AH. My point is that I'm under the assumption that the reason why he played that way was because he wasn't town. Since you have inherited his role, I pass those suspicions onto you. Don't take it too seriously as I'm sure that you'll be more active in the discussion than Smurfy but I will be keeping his actions, or lack thereof, in mind.
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