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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 14, 2013 15:11:53 GMT -5
Okay, this is definitely an eye-opening revelation. We've got both a framer and cop unveiled.
Now as far as I know a framer can only make someone look guilty for an investigation. That tells me the departed turtle may have pegged a few suspects incorrectly. It's a small chance, but a chance all the same.
If Yami was the cop no doubt he left a few clues in his posts. And since the framer can only make the innocent look guilty I think we can be pretty safe that both Orange and I are town. Which also means the two of us aren't long for this world.
We got alot of information yesterday. Let's make good use of it!
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 14, 2013 16:19:37 GMT -5
Okay, this is definitely an eye-opening revelation. We've got both a framer and cop unveiled. Now as far as I know a framer can only make someone look guilty for an investigation. That tells me the departed turtle may have pegged a few suspects incorrectly. It's a small chance, but a chance all the same. If Yami was the cop no doubt he left a few clues in his posts. And since the framer can only make the innocent look guilty I think we can be pretty safe that both Orange and I are town. Which also means the two of us aren't long for this world. We got alot of information yesterday. Let's make good use of it! Wait, why would all of that make you and Orange safe bets for town?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 14, 2013 16:38:13 GMT -5
That went by pretty quick. So much for not rushing the lynch so we can get discussion going. Did I worry some of you with my last post? Hm. Oh well, what matters is that we reached a lynch. So unless the lynch is blocked again for some reason (it shouldn't, as the Governor is gone...unless Wolf has the Saulus role, which means if his lynch is blocked, then he should be a Townie starting at the next Day Phase), then that's another scum player down. I'll honestly be shocked if I'm not killed tonight, so once again, here are my current standings: Leaning Town: - Asher - Mr. B Natural - OrangeOn the fence: - Jono - Produceman - Artificial Human V2 Leaning scum (Mafia, Third Party/Cult, etc.): - Hawk Jefferson - Brad - Magiconz - Sloth Spartan V2 - Connor Mackenzie Double H is pretty much nonexistent as far as I'm concerned. That would be because Yami's last post specifically hinted that he was leaning town towards the both of us as well as Asher, who we know is confirmed as town. Seeing as he was a cop, they usually tend to leave some key information behind so when they do get taken out of the game it has some great benefit for the town. And this was not the first time he said he was leaning towards town with me in the game either. Which leads me to believe that he investigated me on one of the previous night phases. That much I am certain of. Since Yami is back in the game I suspect he's not allowed to use the information he gained as a cop to keep things fair. With the cop gone any information he scrounged up goes with him, or at least that which he didn't share previously. I'm not saying it means Orange and I are one-hundred percent guranteed to be townies as there are always small chances that something could've gone awry to tamper with Yami's investigative abilities, but I would say it does make us much less likely to be scum.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 16:38:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I wish it wouldn't have had to been made so obvious that he was our cop. I caught on during the near-lynch of him when he said with absolute certainty that Natural was town. I feel like there were a few people, who either purposely or accidentally, tipped Yami's hand more than they should have. I tried to keep calling his suspicion a "gut call" even though it obviously wasn't. But there were a few posts in particular that angered me by basically spelling out he was our cop. If the mafia didn't know already, they certainly didn't help. Yami knew he was a dead man, so he gave us quite a bit to work with before he went. That went by pretty quick. So much for not rushing the lynch so we can get discussion going. Did I worry some of you with my last post? Hm. Oh well, what matters is that we reached a lynch. So unless the lynch is blocked again for some reason (it shouldn't, as the Governor is gone...unless Wolf has the Saulus role, which means if his lynch is blocked, then he should be a Townie starting at the next Day Phase), then that's another scum player down. I'll honestly be shocked if I'm not killed tonight, so once again, here are my current standings: Leaning Town: - Asher - Mr. B Natural - Orange On the fence: - Jono - Produceman - Artificial Human V2 Leaning scum (Mafia, Third Party/Cult, etc.): - Hawk Jefferson - Brad - Magiconz - Sloth Spartan V2 - Connor Mackenzie Double H is pretty much nonexistent as far as I'm concerned. Asher, B, and Orange are town. Asher was confirmed through his role and B and Orange were presumably investigated and turned up clean. That leaves: 1. Artificial Human #2 (Formerly The Real Slim sMurfy) 2. Connor Mackenzie 3. Felandria (Jono) 6. Produceman 7. Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) 8. stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) 9. Strong Brad 10. "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz 12. Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson) And I'd presume 3-4 mafia left. I'm playing it cautious, because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised with there being 2-3 mafia than have there be an extra person I wasn't expecting.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 14, 2013 16:46:51 GMT -5
I'd agree there. So far we haven't seen any third parties pop up aside from the Serial Killer. If we take that into account and assume there are no other criminal elements in play than I think it's likely there is no cult in this game or anything like that. So chances are we're dealing with a Super Mafia here. And at the moment we know they have a Roleblocker, a Framer, and most likely a Janitor.
As for other possible roles they could possess I would lean towards perhaps a Mafia Cop, a Hitman, a goon or two, and naturally a Godfather. I'm also guessing since they didn't use their ability last night on Yami to cover up his death that means either the role only has a limited number of uses and they ran out or for some reason they didn't think they needed to. And the first possibility seems far more likely at this stage.
Now there's still a possibility a cult could be unveiled in the coming days, but right now I'm leaning towards there not being one in this game. Especially considering if there were they'd likely have a poisoner or some role like that. Yet we've never had more than two deaths per night phase. That alone makes me very skeptical about the presence one. Either that or our doctor is so amazing that they've been able to detect and cure nearly every target they've had.
I need to go back and look at the past votes again. With this new information it may help us figure out where to go next.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on May 14, 2013 17:02:21 GMT -5
Well I'm glad Wolf did turn out to be the Mafia Framer glad I helped in his lynch.
Sucks Yami got taken out and he was the cop I figured the mafia probably figured out he was the cop and wanted to take him out why the janitor ability wasn't used I don't know maybe the Janitor is limited to how many times he can use that ability or something.
I trust that both Orange and B are both town do to Yami's post last day phase.
It seems like one of the people he had as leading scum would be the one he investigated last night phase since he was killed off I don't know if he would of received his result for the night.
Leaning scum (Mafia, Third Party/Cult, etc.): - Hawk Jefferson - Brad - Magiconz - Sloth Spartan V2 - Connor Mackenzie
Those are the guys he was most suspicious of there is only one of them I can confirm as town that's me maybe we should look into the five guys he was suspicious of even if I was one of the guys he was suspicious of or we could look at who he was on the fence with
On the fence: - Jono - Produceman - Artificial Human V2
Whatever works I just want to help the town obtain victory in this game.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 14, 2013 18:15:42 GMT -5
Or, we could look at all 8 and determine a suspect out of that list instead of conveniently not looking at you, Brad.
I'd add Jono to the town list, add I believe him to be the Jack of all Trades. so that leaves 7 names in my investigation
Hawk Brad Magiconz Connor Spartan Produceman AH
Let the interrogation commence
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 18:34:39 GMT -5
I'd hesitate to remove Jono. I know he has claimed, but I don't trust that 100%.
Its also a gut feeling, but it felt sketchy to me and a way to have a mafia member out another one and be put as a "definite" townie.
Obviously I can't prove that, which is why I'm not gunning for Jono. But I think it'd be smart that we don't automatically take the guy at his word and put him on the town list.
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Post by Hawk Hart on May 14, 2013 18:37:29 GMT -5
I never trust people that roleclaim, I dunno why but it never feels right to me.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 14, 2013 18:37:49 GMT -5
Or, we could look at all 8 and determine a suspect out of that list instead of conveniently not looking at you, Brad. I'd add Jono to the town list, add I believe him to be the Jack of all Trades. so that leaves 7 names in my investigation Hawk Brad Magiconz Connor Spartan Produceman AH Let the interrogation commence I'll come out and answer any questions you have. But I'd also like to point out two facts. One, I have voted for each mafia member we have lynched as well as one of the most vocal about Joker. If I was mafia or third party wouldn't that be counter-productive. It's one thing to try and blend in but I'm be shooting myself in the foot given those number of times. Not only that but I could have thrown a vote away or just abstained from voting. While I've been quiet, I've also tried to help the town when I have spoken up. And since it's been a bit, here are the votes from that past 5 day phases. Day 1 BoilerRoomBrawler (11): The Shareholder Called Asher, Produceman, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz, Zack Morris is Insane, Connor Mackenzie, Sloth Spartan, Mr. B Natural Believes, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human, "Hollywood" Hawk Jefferson, Yami Redgrave Artificial Human (3): stinger4christ, "Timeless Star" Double H, BoilerRoomBrawler Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Orange Dammit Cage(king)!! Joker "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz Spiked Mohican (Hayden) The Real Slim sMurfy Felandria (Jono) Day 2 Current Vote Count! BoilerRoomBrawler (11): Felandria (Jono), Produceman, The Shareholder Called Asher, Brad is the Simming Master!, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, stinger4christ, Zack Morris is Insane, Joker, Sloth Spartan, Connor Mackenzie, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, BoilerRoomBrawler Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Mr B Natural Believes Orange Artificial Human Dammit Cage(king)!! "Hollywood" Hawk Jefferson #EpicRamenTime (Hayden) The Real Slim sMurfy Day 3 Current Vote Count: Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, stinger4christ Yami Redgrave (10): The Shareholder Called Asher, Artificial Human, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Felandria, Wolf Hurricane, Connor Mackenzie, “The Fresh Prince” Magiconz, Orange, Joker Not Voting: Mr B Natural Believes Sloth Spartan "Timeless Star" Double H (Formerly Cageking) "Hollywood" Hawk Jefferson #EpicRamenTime (Hayden) The Real Slim sMurfy Day 4 Joker (10): Orange, Connor Mackenzie, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, Produceman, Mr B Natural Believes, stinger4christ, Felandria, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, Artificial Human #2 Yami Redgrave (2): The Shareholder Called Asher, Joker Not Voting Brad is The Simming Master! "Timeless Star" Double H #2 (Formerly Cageking) "Hollywood" Hawk Jefferson Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) Day 5 Wolf Hurricane (8): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Strong Brad, Artificial Human #2, Orange, Connor Mackenzie, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Shareholder Called Asher Not Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane 2. Mr B Natural Believes 7. "Timeless Star" Double H #2 (Formerly Cageking) 9. "Hollywood" Hawk Jefferson 11. Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) 13. Felandria (Jono)
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 18:39:40 GMT -5
I never trust people that roleclaim, I dunno why but it never feels right to me. Out of curiosity, are you still in? Or did Yami replace you?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 18:42:51 GMT -5
Hawkeye got replaced. I didn't bury him well enough, apparently.
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Post by Hawk Hart on May 14, 2013 18:44:03 GMT -5
I never trust people that roleclaim, I dunno why but it never feels right to me. Out of curiosity, are you still in? Or did Yami replace you? ...well now I'm not sure. Notorious and I have been talking and he hasn't mentioned me being replaced. He knows I've been watching but mostly quiet since I've been getting my ass kicked by moving. Well shit, I'll make my exit now.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 18:55:29 GMT -5
Sorry, Hawk.
Connor, I'm going to color-code the list and substitute the new names in. I think that'll help give us more of a picture.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 19:03:19 GMT -5
If any of this info is wrong, please correct me.
Day 1 BoilerRoomBrawler (11): The Shareholder Called Asher, Produceman, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz, Zack Morris is Insane, Connor Mackenzie, Sloth Spartan V1, Mr. B Natural Believes, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human, Yami Redgrave v2, Yami Redgrave Artificial Human (3): stinger4christ, "Timeless Star" Double H, BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Orange Stinger4christ v2 Joker "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Felandria (Jono)
Day 2 Current Vote Count! BoilerRoomBrawler (11): Felandria (Jono), Produceman, The Shareholder Called Asher, Brad is the Simming Master!, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, stinger4christ, Zack Morris is Insane, Joker, Sloth Spartan V1, Connor Mackenzie, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Mr B Natural Believes Orange Artificial Human Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2
Day 3
Current Vote Count: Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, stinger4christ Yami Redgrave (10): The Shareholder Called Asher, Artificial Human, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Felandria, Wolf Hurricane, Connor Mackenzie, “The Fresh Prince” Magiconz, Orange, Joker
Not Voting: Mr B Natural Believes Sloth Spartan Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2
Day 4 Joker (10): Orange, Connor Mackenzie, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, Produceman, Mr B Natural Believes, stinger4christ, Felandria, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, Artificial Human v2 Yami Redgrave (2): The Shareholder Called Asher, Joker
Not Voting Brad is The Simming Master! Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2
Day 5 Wolf Hurricane (8): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Strong Brad, Artificial Human v2, Orange, Connor Mackenzie, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Shareholder Called Asher
Not Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane 2. Mr B Natural Believes Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 11. Sloth Spartan v2 13. Felandria (Jono)
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 14, 2013 19:05:48 GMT -5
Okay I'm looking at the votes Connor just posted and I think I may have noticed something.
For the first few days Yami was going pretty hard after AH, specifically on Day 2. Therefore I have a theory using the information we learned earlier.
AH was the first person that Yami investigated. However the Mafia perhaps foresaw that he would be the first target and thus has the Framer set him up as to look guilty.
It was too early in the game for Yami to hint towards his role so he chose not to reveal the results of the investigation. But that would explain why he switched gears so quickly.
It was probably BRB's idea to have the framer target AH as well, perhaps hoping that he'd get lucky and the cop would investigate him first.
In addition I've taken a look at the votes again and noticed this is how it seems to swing.
Day 3: One townie voted for Artificial Human #1. Two voted for Yami (Four if we count Orange and Jono)
Day 4: One townie voted for Yami along with the serial killer. Only one townie is confirmed to have voted against the serial killer. (Four again if we count myself, Orange, and Jono)
Day 5: Two townies voted for Wolf Hurricane. (Three if we count Orange)
Also of note is that Wolf Hurricane never voted for a fellow Mafia member. The only two times he voted were for Joker (The Serial Killer) and Yami. Just like with BRB who also only voted for townies.
I sincerely doubt all our scum have been that careful with not voting against their own kind, but that is an interesting to fact to note.
Also another odd factoid: only two lynch trains were started by someone not confirmed to be a townie: Artificial Human on Day 1 which was kicked off by Stinger4christ and the attempted one on me by BRB, though I wouldn't really count that one since it was still early in the game.
And yet again Produceman was the second to vote yesterday against Wolf Hurricane. The day before however he was the fifth to vote for a lynch. I doubt it means much, but it is interesting, I suppose.
I feel that our scum are going to lurking somewhere in the middle of all of these votes. Somebody in the group is secretly pushing along these votes in hopes of getting rid of us. The question is though who could it be?
I have noticed that Brad and Produceman have also been voting pretty close together on most days. I've also noticed that both of them seem to have voted after confirmed townies a number of times. In fact on three separate occasions the two have voted one right after the other.
I find that very unusual to be honest.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 14, 2013 19:08:07 GMT -5
EBWOP Make that two occasions, I miscounted there.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 14, 2013 19:20:15 GMT -5
I never noticed that (he voted immediately after me twice and after I voted a total of 4 times). Brad piggybacking off of me perhaps? Combine that with his "I'll vote for whomever Town wants to vote for" attitude day 1 and his attempt at diverting attention onto Yami's "on the fence" group instead of the "leaning scum" group, and I'm fairly confident that Brad is indeed scum.
Vote: Brad
I will gladly accept any repercussions if I am wrong. I will continue to look at other people on my list (and Jono, as well, since it is possible he is faking the JOAT claim). Let's all take our time and determine who else is scum here. I'll continue to use my brain to figure these scum out and get them lynched.
Discuss.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 14, 2013 19:32:05 GMT -5
As I was comprising the list as well as taking note of things I came upon the same conclusion you did Mr.B with relation to Brad and his non-vote on Day 4 also gave me a bit of pause.
Also Sloth, you forgot to colour code Asher for town since he is confirmed.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on May 14, 2013 19:41:26 GMT -5
I never noticed that (he voted immediately after me twice and after I voted a total of 4 times). Brad piggybacking off of me perhaps? Combine that with his "I'll vote for whomever Town wants to vote for" attitude day 1 and his attempt at diverting attention onto Yami's "on the fence" group instead of the "leaning scum" group, and I'm fairly confident that Brad is indeed scum. Vote: BradI will gladly accept any repercussions if I am wrong. I will continue to look at other people on my list (and Jono, as well, since it is possible he is faking the JOAT claim). Let's all take our time and determine who else is scum here. I'll continue to use my brain to figure these scum out and get them lynched. Discuss. I wasn't trying to divert attention to Yami's on the fence group instead of the leaning scum group if anything I was saying we should look at everybody from both groups my exact quote I was saying we could look at either or I never said we should look at the on the fence guys over the Leaning Scum that's just you twisting my words around. If anything I was welcoming anybody to look into me as well as everybody else on the list I have nothing to hide and its just a coincidence that I voted after you I could of voted after anybody.
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