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Post by Big Bad Brad on May 14, 2013 19:44:28 GMT -5
As I was comprising the list as well as taking note of things I came upon the same conclusion you did Mr.B with relation to Brad and his non-vote on Day 4 also gave me a bit of pause. Also Sloth, you forgot to colour code Asher for town since he is confirmed. The reason I didn't vote on Day 4 was because I was dropping out of the game and Notorious was looking for a replacement for me it wasn't until that night phase that after discovering both Hawk & Double H was probably going to be replaced I decided to stay in the game because I didn't want Notorious to have to find a third replacement so I decided to suck it up and stay in the game. I would of voted in Day 4 had I known at that point I was staying in the game.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 20:04:49 GMT -5
Good catch, Connor.
Fixed version:
Day 1 BoilerRoomBrawler (11): The Shareholder Called Asher, Produceman, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz, Zack Morris is Insane, Connor Mackenzie, Sloth Spartan V1, Mr. B Natural Believes, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human, Yami Redgrave v2, Yami Redgrave Artificial Human (3): stinger4christ, "Timeless Star" Double H, BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Orange Stinger4christ v2 Joker "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Felandria (Jono)
Day 2 Current Vote Count! BoilerRoomBrawler (11): Felandria (Jono), Produceman, The Shareholder Called Asher, Brad is the Simming Master!, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, stinger4christ, Zack Morris is Insane, Joker, Sloth Spartan V1, Connor Mackenzie, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, BoilerRoomBrawler
Not Voting: Wolf Hurricane Mr B Natural Believes Orange Artificial Human Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2
Day 3
Current Vote Count: Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, stinger4christ Yami Redgrave (10): The Shareholder Called Asher, Artificial Human, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Felandria, Wolf Hurricane, Connor Mackenzie, “The Fresh Prince” Magiconz, Orange, Joker
Not Voting: Mr B Natural Believes Sloth Spartan Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2
Day 4 Joker (10): Orange, Connor Mackenzie, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, Produceman, Mr B Natural Believes, stinger4christ, Felandria, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, Artificial Human v2 Yami Redgrave (2): The Shareholder Called Asher, Joker
Not Voting Brad is The Simming Master! Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2
Day 5 Wolf Hurricane (8): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Strong Brad, Artificial Human v2, Orange, Connor Mackenzie, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Shareholder Called Asher
Not Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane 2. Mr B Natural Believes Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 11. Sloth Spartan v2 13. Felandria (Jono)
And also a good catch B/Connor on the voting trend. We've seen games in the past where a mafia will just piggyback on a town member.
Throwing in my two cents: I'm leaning town on Produce due to him also catching that Yami was the cop a full day phase before Yami pretty much revealed himself. That was his "I see what Spartan saw" post before he quickly turned face on his suspicion of Yami. I saw that as using new evidence to see someone in a different light and came off very town-like in my books.
Brad, I hadn't been leaning either direction.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 14, 2013 20:32:18 GMT -5
I will say this. The fact that Sloth Spartan v2 (formerly Hayden) hasn't voted ONCE is really bugging me. I'm not saying that definitely makes him mafia but it does make me a bit suspicious of him.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 20:47:15 GMT -5
Here's what I can say towards that.
I took over on Day Phase 3. I don't know why Hayden didn't vote before that, but I'd put it up to just plain being inactive.
Day Phase 3: I was not voting for Yami. I already skirted around this, but I felt 100% he was town. I felt strong about that belief, and it ended up being correct. But I was definitely not going to join on that vote.
Day Phase 4: I honestly thought Joker was town. I agreed, and still do agree, with a lot of stuff he said and thought he was playing this game from a town perspective. In the end, I think he was, but the votes still went against him and that turned out in town's favor. I'll admit I was wrong about him, but not voting for him doesn't make me look like mafia, because he wasn't on town's side either.
Day Phase 5: I was going to vote for Wolf. That's not me acting like I was just beaten to the punch or anything, you can find it in my posts when Yami first made his vote against Wolf and pretty much revealed he was the cop. I was convinced 100%. I just thought we could use the day phase to get some more info as well. I'm not mad that we ended up getting the lynch done early, because hey, at least it got done. But I was just trying to use our time a bit more wisely. But if we had gotten anywhere decently close to the end of the day phase, I was placing my vote on Wolf.
So yeah, its turned out that 5 day phases have past and I haven't voted, and that is not a role-restriction or anything, just the way things worked out. Days 1-2 were Hayden's fault. Day 3 there was no way I was supporting that. Day 4 I thought incorrectly. And Day 5, I was beaten to the punch.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 14, 2013 20:50:03 GMT -5
EBWOP: 2nd "Beaten to the punch" correction.
Honestly, I made it clear I supported Yami and was voting for Wolf. There was a surge of sudden votes against Hurricane that even Yami commented on. We ended up killing that day phase earlier than I wanted. But make no mistake, there was no way I was voting for anyone but Wolf Hurricane.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 0:23:34 GMT -5
I must bring up, about the Jono thing mentioned last page, is I'm not 100 percent sure about his roleclaim either. First off, he says he roleblocked Wolf and then proceeded to not vote for him last day phase even when it was all but a lock that he was getting lynched and considering all the evidence put against him. Not to mention the only person he used his "kill" ability on was me(A townie).
So yeah, I'm not 100 percent sure about his roleclaim either. However, that's not enough for me to be suspicious of him at this point.
As far as my top suspects, If you can give me some time, I think I can make a pretty decent case against someone. It will take a bit of research and some critical thinking but I think I may be able to find something that's glaring.
As far as the people who have me on their list for interrogation, look over my posts and my voting. I'm clean and have nothing to hide from anyone.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 1:04:36 GMT -5
Ok, so here's what I have: Strong Brad: I don't think it was as random a kiling as some may say. Double H voted for me. The mafia did it to throw shade on me. There's no doubt in my mind that's the reason they did it. It's either someone who voted for me and kept their vote or someone who voted for me initially and then changed it to make it look better for themselves. Pick up on the discussion on me all you want to, I'm not defending myself anymore than I already have. You have nothing anyway and I truly believe you're falling into the mafia's hands by doing so. Those who don't understand my questioning of how getting discussion going is scummy are, in my opinion, ignoring it on purpose. So, I'll ask all of these people a question Yami Redgrave Zack Morris is Insane. Stinger4Christ Brad Orange With all of that said I will ask all of you now, what would it take for me to convince you I'm town beyond what I've already said in defense of myself? I'd be willing to discuss BRB again but something now doesn't seem right after night kill. My two theories right now at the start of this day phase is this: 1. Those who didn't vote for BRB and kept their votes for me are mafia who tried to help their buddy. It's strange when they kept their votes for me when everyone wanted BRB lynched even though there was less evidence against me than there was against BRB. 2. BRB isn't actually mafia and a couple of people who crusaded against BRB are trying to piggyback off Asher being the only confirmed town. One of those two scenarios is correct. Unfortunately, I'm not sure which one right now. Either way, the mafia has us completely misguided in some way and that's made me pretty paranoid at this point in the game.. I don't know I did change my vote last day phase from you to BRB I'm not to sure if either of you is town or mafia after all it was Day 1 and like I said I went with the crowd like I usually do but I wont be doing that from here on out unless the evidence against a particular user is to convincing and I have a strong feeling they are scum.No one is really town in my eyes except myself and Asher because he's the innocent child, no one becomes town to me until something major happens like someone helps lynch scum or something like that. I do hope we succeed in lynching someone this day phase it is not good going two day phases in a row without lynching our most powerful weapon is our vote so we need to come together and take a chance can't win the game if you never take chances. He says that and yet: Good catch, Connor. Fixed version: Day 1 BoilerRoomBrawler (11): The Shareholder Called Asher, Produceman, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz, Zack Morris is Insane, Connor Mackenzie, Sloth Spartan V1, Mr. B Natural Believes, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human, Yami Redgrave v2, Yami RedgraveArtificial Human (3): stinger4christ, "Timeless Star" Double H, BoilerRoomBrawlerNot Voting: Wolf HurricaneOrange Stinger4christ v2 Joker"The Fresh Prince" Magiconz Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Felandria (Jono) Day 2 Current Vote Count! BoilerRoomBrawler (11): Felandria (Jono), Produceman, The Shareholder Called Asher, Brad is the Simming Master!, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, stinger4christ, Zack Morris is Insane, Joker, Sloth Spartan V1, Connor Mackenzie, Lodi "Riddler" RulzArtificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, BoilerRoomBrawlerNot Voting: Wolf HurricaneMr B Natural Believes Orange Artificial HumanStinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Day 3 Current Vote Count: Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, stinger4christYami Redgrave (10): The Shareholder Called Asher, Artificial Human, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Felandria, Wolf Hurricane, Connor Mackenzie, “The Fresh Prince” Magiconz, Orange, JokerNot Voting: Mr B Natural Believes Sloth SpartanStinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Day 4 Joker (10): Orange, Connor Mackenzie, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, Produceman, Mr B Natural Believes, stinger4christ, Felandria, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, Artificial Human v2 Yami Redgrave (2): The Shareholder Called Asher, JokerNot Voting Brad is The Simming Master! Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Day 5 Wolf Hurricane (8): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Strong Brad, Artificial Human v2, Orange, Connor Mackenzie, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Shareholder Called AsherNot Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane2. Mr B Natural Believes Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 11. Sloth Spartan v2 13. Felandria (Jono) And also a good catch B/Connor on the voting trend. We've seen games in the past where a mafia will just piggyback on a town member. Throwing in my two cents: I'm leaning town on Produce due to him also catching that Yami was the cop a full day phase before Yami pretty much revealed himself. That was his "I see what Spartan saw" post before he quickly turned face on his suspicion of Yami. I saw that as using new evidence to see someone in a different light and came off very town-like in my books. Brad, I hadn't been leaning either direction. If you look at the vote counts, he's gone with the crowd every time and, from what I've seen, he hasn't really given much info on what convince him to vote for those people. Sure, most of them were mafia and serial killer(aside from Yami) but still, he just seems to be laying in the background the whole time and not contributing that much. I know I'm guilty of the same kind of thing but, in my defense, I had just got into the game when the Joker votes were still coming in and I was more than willing to build conversation on finding Wolf's partners the last day phase. I didn't want the votes to tally up too quickly and was actively involved in the conversation. Brad wasn't even though he had enough chances to do so. The last reason is because: quote author=" Big Bad Brad" source="/post/9677426/thread" timestamp="1368568941"]Well I'm glad Wolf did turn out to be the Mafia Framer glad I helped in his lynch. Sucks Yami got taken out and he was the cop I figured the mafia probably figured out he was the cop and wanted to take him out why the janitor ability wasn't used I don't know maybe the Janitor is limited to how many times he can use that ability or something. I trust that both Orange and B are both town do to Yami's post last day phase. It seems like one of the people he had as leading scum would be the one he investigated last night phase since he was killed off I don't know if he would of received his result for the night. Leaning scum (Mafia, Third Party/Cult, etc.): - Hawk Jefferson - Brad - Magiconz - Sloth Spartan V2 - Connor Mackenzie Those are the guys he was most suspicious of there is only one of them I can confirm as town that's me maybe we should look into the five guys he was suspicious of even if I was one of the guys he was suspicious of or we could look at who he was on the fence with On the fence: - Jono - Produceman - Artificial Human V2 Whatever works I just want to help the town obtain victory in this game.[/quote] He flat out said he's more than willing to discuss anyone who is on the "interrogation" list, except himself. If he has nothing to hide, then why doesn't he want us to look at him and why does he want us to look everywhere else? Everybody else on that list that has commented so far has said that they have no issue answering any question anyone may have of them, except for Brad. That can only lead me to believe that he wants to keep the town going in circles and lynching each other while he just sits in the background where no one can recognize him. If you look at the way he's voted with the crowd(Even after saying he wouldn't) and how he hasn't contributed anything to the conversation, it would certainly make sense. Vote:Strong Brad
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 1:11:39 GMT -5
The only other person I'm suspicious of is Magiconz because he has basically done the same kind of thing that Brad has this entire game and only now puts suspicion on Sloth Spartan V2 after being called out on it prior to that last post.
But I'm certain that Brad is our best bet at this point. I can't say 100 percent like Yami said yesterday because I don't have a role that allows me to see exactly what Brad's role and alignment may be, but I'm very confident that he's our guy.
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Post by Orange on May 15, 2013 1:18:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm still very suspicious of Magiconz, as I was a few pages back when I put together my case on him. Need to look into Brad more, but I can't shake my pages-old suspicions of Magiconz.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on May 15, 2013 1:46:20 GMT -5
Again twisting my words around I said the only person among the FIVE (note five is a key word here) I can confirm as a townie is myself. I said "maybe we should look into the FIVE guys he was suspicious of even if I was one of the guys" I flat out said right there you guys can look at all five guys INCLUDING ME I never said any where that I wasn't willing to discuss myself where the hell are you guys getting that from is this just some big mafia trap you guys are trying to pull on me or something? Trap or not at least get your facts straight please and quit making stuff up. I just wanted to get in on the discussion I said we can look at those five guys OR we can look at the guys he was on the fence with, I never said "Forgot those five guys on his scum list lets look at the people on his on the fence list" I never said "Lets look at those five guys except me no don't look at me just look at those other four guys" Ok it might look like I was "going along with the crowd" but I felt the cases against those guys were strong enough to cast my vote for because
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 14:57:29 GMT -5
Current Vote Count: Strong Brad (2): Produceman, Artificial Human #2,
Connor Mackenzie Felandria (Jono) Mr B Natural Believes Orange Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) Strong Brad "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz The Man They Call Asher Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
With 12 of you left, it takes 7 votes for a lynch.
The deadline for a lynch will be Thursday, May 23rd at 5pm.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 15, 2013 17:03:08 GMT -5
I'd still like to hear Asher and Jono's thoughts on things thus far and get their input and observations when they might have a chance to do so. Especially given Asher's position in the game.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 20:47:45 GMT -5
I'd still like to hear Asher and Jono's thoughts on things thus far and get their input and observations when they might have a chance to do so. Especially given Asher's position in the game. Absolutely. We have them on the run without their roleblocker and their framer, we're thisclose to a win and I don't want inactivity to get in the way if it doesn't have to.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 15, 2013 21:23:20 GMT -5
The only other person I'm suspicious of is Magiconz because he has basically done the same kind of thing that Brad has this entire game and only now puts suspicion on Sloth Spartan V2 after being called out on it prior to that last post. Honestly, I'm kinda confused about this post. I get that there is suspicion on me but I'm not sure how me bringing up a point about Sloth Spartan adds to that suspicion. I was (rightfully) called out for playing a passive game. I'm trying to do better now. It's kind of a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. If I had kept with my old style of playing, people would still be calling for my head. Now that I'm actually trying to be a more active part of the conversation, I'm "trying to cover up my scumminess".
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 21:44:44 GMT -5
The only other person I'm suspicious of is Magiconz because he has basically done the same kind of thing that Brad has this entire game and only now puts suspicion on Sloth Spartan V2 after being called out on it prior to that last post. Honestly, I'm kinda confused about this post. I get that there is suspicion on me but I'm not sure how me bringing up a point about Sloth Spartan adds to that suspicion. I was (rightfully) called out for playing a passive game. I'm trying to do better now. It's kind of a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. If I had kept with my old style of playing, people would still be calling for my head. Now that I'm actually trying to be a more active part of the conversation, I'm "trying to cover up my scumminess". Because you never really said much of anything about anyone until people started calling you out. Now that people have been calling you out, you see something suspicious about someone else. So, the question is simple: Is this something that's been bothering you for a while and you've been meaning to bring up or are you just now bringing it up because you feel you need to do something to get heat off of you? For example, I'm willing to admit that Brad wasn't really on my radar until late in the last day phase because of how little he was contributing to the conversation even when everyone was trying to discuss who Wolf's partner(s) might be and then his post on the last page which seemed to me like a diversion to any get any and all conversation away from him. Adding to the fact that it seemed that this kind of casual play looked like a strange trend and that made me suspicious. How long has Sloth not voting in any of the day phases been bothering you? I don't see where you can be confused. It's really strange timing that you make such a damning post and accusation against someone after getting a lot of heat on you during the last day phase.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 15, 2013 22:00:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm kinda confused about this post. I get that there is suspicion on me but I'm not sure how me bringing up a point about Sloth Spartan adds to that suspicion. I was (rightfully) called out for playing a passive game. I'm trying to do better now. It's kind of a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. If I had kept with my old style of playing, people would still be calling for my head. Now that I'm actually trying to be a more active part of the conversation, I'm "trying to cover up my scumminess". Because you never really said much of anything about anyone until people started calling you out. Now that people have been calling you out, you see something suspicious about someone else. So, the question is simple: Is this something that's been bothering you for a while and you've been meaning to bring up or are you just now bringing it up because you feel you need to do something to get heat off of you? For example, I'm willing to admit that Brad wasn't really on my radar until late in the last day phase because of how little he was contributing to the conversation even when everyone was trying to discuss who Wolf's partner(s) might be and then his post on the last page which seemed to me like a diversion to any get any and all conversation away from him. Adding to the fact that it seemed that this kind of casual play looked like a strange trend and that made me suspicious. How long has Sloth not voting in any of the day phases been bothering you? I don't see where you can be confused. It's really strange timing that you make such a damning post and accusation against someone after getting a lot of heat on you during the last day phase. Sloth not voting is something I just noticed when the list of all of the votes was posted. I really didn't consider it to be that damning of a post. I even outright said that I don't think that fact absolutely makes Sloth mafia, it's just something that I noticed so I brought it up. I was asked to be more active in the discussion and I'm trying to do that. What am I supposed to do? Keep quiet? I'm making a legitimate effort to be part of the discussion.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 22:05:50 GMT -5
Because you never really said much of anything about anyone until people started calling you out. Now that people have been calling you out, you see something suspicious about someone else. So, the question is simple: Is this something that's been bothering you for a while and you've been meaning to bring up or are you just now bringing it up because you feel you need to do something to get heat off of you? For example, I'm willing to admit that Brad wasn't really on my radar until late in the last day phase because of how little he was contributing to the conversation even when everyone was trying to discuss who Wolf's partner(s) might be and then his post on the last page which seemed to me like a diversion to any get any and all conversation away from him. Adding to the fact that it seemed that this kind of casual play looked like a strange trend and that made me suspicious. How long has Sloth not voting in any of the day phases been bothering you? I don't see where you can be confused. It's really strange timing that you make such a damning post and accusation against someone after getting a lot of heat on you during the last day phase. Sloth not voting is something I just noticed when the list of all of the votes was posted. I really didn't consider it to be that damning of a post. I even outright said that I don't think that fact absolutely makes Sloth mafia, it's just something that I noticed so I brought it up. I was asked to be more active in the discussion and I'm trying to do that. What am I supposed to do? Keep quiet? I'm making a legitimate effort to be part of the discussion. And all I wanted to know is whether or not that was some kind of diversion or if it really bothers you. If it really bothers you then great. As I've said a million times before, discussion is wonderful and it's the most powerful weapon the town has other than the vote. Especially now that the mafia is clearly on the ropes right now. My thing was that the timing of your post, after all the discussion that went on about you yesterday, seemed off to me.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 22:06:26 GMT -5
EBWOP: And that's why I found it suspicious.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 15, 2013 22:07:56 GMT -5
Fair enough AH.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 15, 2013 22:13:37 GMT -5
Just to throw in my two cents, I don't see anything wrong with Magiconz calling me out about that. Its true that I hadn't voted as V2 and it was a fair thing for him to mention.
Doesn't really make me any more/less suspicious of him either way, but I have no problem answering questions and I don't want anyone to feel like they may be intimidated/accused for asking them. To me, or anyone else. If you see something, say something. It could be insignificant, or it can be very useful.
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