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Post by stinger on May 15, 2013 22:49:34 GMT -5
Well, I'm back in the game guys. Just wanted to go over a few things. I will look back over what has happened and give my feelings a bit later, since I haven't been following that closely since being eliminated.
1. I can't reveal anything about my previous role because none of it was revealed in the game. So, please don't hold that against me, that came straight from Notorious.
2. Please don't hold me responsible for CageKing and Double H's lack of participation. I have no idea why they have not been participating, and I promise to be more active than they did. That being said, I cannot answer questions or suspicions about their activity, simply because I don't know their reasoning.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 15, 2013 23:42:43 GMT -5
Just to throw in my two cents, I don't see anything wrong with Magiconz calling me out about that. Its true that I hadn't voted as V2 and it was a fair thing for him to mention. Doesn't really make me any more/less suspicious of him either way, but I have no problem answering questions and I don't want anyone to feel like they may be intimidated/accused for asking them. To me, or anyone else. If you see something, say something. It could be insignificant, or it can be very useful. I guess I'll lay it on think then: 1. What specifically convinced you that Joker was town? 2. How long would you have gone on with the conversation before casting a vote for Wolf if no hammer had been dropped?
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 16, 2013 0:03:01 GMT -5
Just to throw in my two cents, I don't see anything wrong with Magiconz calling me out about that. Its true that I hadn't voted as V2 and it was a fair thing for him to mention. Doesn't really make me any more/less suspicious of him either way, but I have no problem answering questions and I don't want anyone to feel like they may be intimidated/accused for asking them. To me, or anyone else. If you see something, say something. It could be insignificant, or it can be very useful. I guess I'll lay it on think then: 1. What specifically convinced you that Joker was town? 2. How long would you have gone on with the conversation before casting a vote for Wolf if no hammer had been dropped? 1. That day had terrible lack of activity. It really felt like town had a "We just need to lynch somebody" attitude and he was the target. Looking back, I was trying to play it fair to both sides. Here was what I posted and his response: Well Stinger, I'll admit you've been striking me as suspicious quite a bit, so with that being said, I want to hear who you think we should be going for. Joker: While Produce's statement was factually inaccurate, your actions following it were a bit over the top defensive. And the FOS seemed a bit too "OMGUS" for my liking. Up until this point, I've been leaning town with you but now I'm not so certain. Can you defend/justify your actions for me? Produce: I get getting off of Yami, but what was with the immediate switch to Joker? I don't get how you got from point a: "We shouldn't lynch Yami" to point b: "We need to lynch Joker". I'm NOT asking you to explain point a, I'm asking you to explain the transition from A-B and why you now feel Joker is the person to go for. (Point A being his realization that Yami was cop) Joker: While Produce's statement was factually inaccurate, your actions following it were a bit over the top defensive. And the FOS seemed a bit too "OMGUS" for my liking. Up until this point, I've been leaning town with you but now I'm not so certain. Can you defend/justify your actions for me? I can try, I'm perfectly fine with a player posting a legit reason, hunch or suspicion to vote for me. But when I see something that is a lie then I can't let that slide. Especially as it's 1AM where I am and if that statement isn't checked by other players then I could be in the windmill like Frankenstein's Monster to the angry mob. The FOS is because my previous post mentioned that I am on GMT time and Produceman's abrupt 180 degree switch from Yami to Myself came out of nothing seemingly. This seems like a rather over zealous need for a lynch no matter who it is. With me going offline now unitl morning there could be a good chance if unchallenged that post could create nine votes against me in a very short space of time. ------- Seeing as Produceman mentioned it without quoting it for some reason? ---- Yami's final post prior to the write up. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Spoiler It's not. Well, congratulations Town, you've successfully shot yourselves in the foot. Despite explaining all of my actions, some people continue to ignore or miss it (looking at you, Joker). Before Notorious ends the Day Phase, some final words and wishes: - Mr. B Natural is Town. I'm saying this because people clearly don't read everything I say. I know most of you missed it. - Please do not place your entire trust on Produceman from here on out (well this lynch will prove that anyways). Like I've already stated, there's always a chance he could be Third-Party. - Don't let AH slip away. - Keep an eye on Orange, Spartan, Joker, and Wolf. Good luck. Somewhere in this is the key to Produceman's turn around. Interestingly enough three players going for the lynch of me Orange (orginal Joker is mafia write up),Wolf (ardent supporter) & Produceman (Quick 180 turn around) are all mentioned in a not so town friendly way. Of course Yami was wrong about AH so I'm not sure what could be taken as solid evidence here. With hindsight it feels more obvious that he wasn't on the up and up, but at the time that seemed decently reasonable to me. If I knew I was going to be gone for a decent stretch of time and saw someone trying to make a move against me, I would be just as annoyed and equally suspicious of them. 2. Final day or two. When the lynch momentum starts, it goes fast. We've seen people gain a lot more votes in a lot less time with a lot less evidence against them. I just wanted us to milk our time a bit more because I was afraid we'd be stuck this day phase without much of a clue what to do if we just lynched him immediately. Luckily, that's really turning out not to be the case. Now, I also have some questions for people. Yami: Still suspicious of Orange? And if so, can you explain why? Jono: Thoughts about me not believing your role claim? Brad: Can you give a current breakdown on who you feel is town and/or mafia? And why did you vote for Yami on Day 3? Orange: Same as Brad.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 16, 2013 0:05:57 GMT -5
EBWOP: Also, with question 1, It wasn't so much "Joker did XYZ to make me think he was town" but more he hasn't done XYZ to make me believe he wasn't town. I was still leaning and nowhere near confident in my opinion, but I just saw him more town than third party/mafia.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 16, 2013 12:42:30 GMT -5
I fail to see what's fishy about my roleclaim.
I found out Brawler was scum, I put myself on a limb to get him lynched, I killed AH because he was a top suspect and I didn't want us to have to wait another day to get the info his death gave us.
Yeah I haven't been around much, was busy with work, now busy looking for work AGAIN.
And no I didn't vote for Wolf, because my roleblock only proved that he wasn't the Janitor, so I wasn't certain of his scumminess but I wasn't convinced of his innocence enough to raise a finger to save him.
I just think coming after me is a waste of time and those who are coming at me are looking kinda suspicious to me.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 16, 2013 13:00:44 GMT -5
My apologies Jono, my earlier request to hear what you had to say wasn't with reference to any sort of accusation, merely since we knew Asher was town and since most of us felt you were town with your reveal I thought it would be good to have your input.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 16, 2013 21:37:58 GMT -5
Anyone have a question to ask me? I'd be more than happy to answer. We need to get discussion going to finish this thing off.
I'll ask another. Stinger: Where do you stand on who looks most suspicious to you?
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Post by Orange on May 16, 2013 21:53:29 GMT -5
Now, I also have some questions for people. Yami: Still suspicious of Orange? And if so, can you explain why? Jono: Thoughts about me not believing your role claim? Brad: Can you give a current breakdown on who you feel is town and/or mafia? And why did you vote for Yami on Day 3? Orange: Same as Brad. Right now, I'm most suspicious of Magiconz as being Mafia. Outside of that, I'm not really sure. Just going off of my feeling right now, and it's gut, I'd say that I feel Sloth and Mr. B are town. Other than that, I'm not entirely sure.
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Post by Orange on May 16, 2013 21:53:46 GMT -5
Whoops, screwed up on the formatting there.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 17, 2013 19:56:13 GMT -5
I don't know what the policy is on bumping game threads but I thought I would do so here since it's been nearly a day since anyone has posted anything.
Like I said earlier, if you have any questions for me I'll be more than happy to answer. I also would like to see questions asked earlier to be answered as well. Victory is ours. Let's not squander it with inactivity.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 17, 2013 19:57:36 GMT -5
What do people think of the case I have made against Brad?
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 17, 2013 20:18:34 GMT -5
I think you present a fairly good case AH. I suppose given everything that happened with relation to Brad's not voting on day 4 though that does make sense given what I know of the other mafia game he was participating in so I am still sort of up in the air with regards to the vote. On top of this there is the matter of so many non-voters that it makes things hard to gauge.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 0:17:23 GMT -5
Current Vote Count: Strong Brad (2): Produceman, Artificial Human #2,
Connor Mackenzie Felandria (Jono) Mr B Natural Believes Orange Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) Strong Brad "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz The Man They Call Asher Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
With 12 of you left, it takes 7 votes for a lynch.
The deadline for a lynch will be Thursday, May 23rd at 5pm.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 15:18:01 GMT -5
Seriously you guys?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 18, 2013 15:26:18 GMT -5
Still some questions that need to be answered. We don't want to rush later and get a mislynch. That's all the mafia needs to get back into this thing.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 18, 2013 16:00:51 GMT -5
Indeed, it's been very quiet as of late. And honestly I'm just as much to blame since I haven't contributed anything either. But thankfully for us we still have a fair bit of time remaining to nail down exactly where we want to go next.
If it'll get the ball rolling than I'll go ahead and toss out a question to our man of the hour: Brad. Who exactly do you have on your radar right now? If not you then who do you think we should pursue instead? Any inklings or feeling you have about one of the others still kicking around town?
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Post by Orange on May 19, 2013 15:16:28 GMT -5
Just checking in to let you guys know that I'm going to be busy with yard work today, so I won't be able to jump in. I've had a busy weekend thus far, so sorry I haven't been more active.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 19, 2013 17:41:56 GMT -5
I've been sicker than a dog lately. I've been sleeping right after work so i apologize for my lack of activity.
I pose this question to everyone: do you have any suspects other than Brad? If so, who and why?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 19, 2013 18:15:45 GMT -5
I've been sicker than a dog lately. I've been sleeping right after work so i apologize for my lack of activity. I pose this question to everyone: do you have any suspects other than Brad? If so, who and why? At this point, only Magiconz because the timing of his Sloth post still irks me a tad. I know he explained that he suspected it immediately after seeing the vote counts but I still can't shake the feeling of a diversion happening there. That's it.
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Post by Orange on May 20, 2013 12:26:23 GMT -5
I've been sicker than a dog lately. I've been sleeping right after work so i apologize for my lack of activity. I pose this question to everyone: do you have any suspects other than Brad? If so, who and why? Not really, if I'm honest. I've still got my sights on Magiconz. So much so that I'll do this. Vote: Magic knows Black Lives MatterAnd, for reasons why, I'll quote my investigation on Page 2. (You can quote yourself, right?) I'm reading through the last thread right now, but after reading over Yami's last post, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and vote for Wolf Hurricane. You're putting yourself out on a awful long limb, Yami, and you're really willing to go up to bat for this lynch. It shows confidence, but it could also turn real bad for you if WH isn't the guy we want. However, because you're so sure, and because of things I learned in the last game, I'm willing to give you a chance. More on that later... However, in looking over the other thread, I found somebody else that really matches the criteria of "safe posts with not a whole lot of substance", and that's Magic knows Black Lives Matter. I won't be voting for him this day phase, simply because it'd likely be a vote gone to waste unless something changes (and albeit there's a lot of time left), but here's my case against him and why something is rubbing me the wrong way. Yeah, I'm not buying BRB as mafia. Honestly, I don't think he really meant anything by agreeing with the "Stay Calm and Lynch Mafia" comment. He was making a stereotypical day 1 "Yeah, let's get some mafia!" comment. Maybe I'm wrong but I just ain't seeing it yet. Also, I think it's good that Asher revealed himself because I was starting to get suspicious of him. Seeing someone vote this early in the game, especially for something as minor as that, just makes me feel...uneasy. As I said, if the criteria is "safe posts with not a whole lot of substance", then this post fits that PERFECTLY. It's not so much the fact that he didn't buy BRB as Mafia, as I didn't either, but it's the way the entire post is written - specifically the second part. "Also, I think it's good that Asher revealed himself because I was starting to get suspicious of him." Maybe that's an innocent post and I'm being a little too paranoid. However, it just seems to echo a general thought of "whew, I was getting suspicious of this guy so it's a good thing he revealed himself!" It's a thought that everybody can get behind, and it just seems very "safe" and "general", two things you want if you don't want to draw attention to yourself. Two pages later, we get this post. Honestly, I'm not feeling AH either. Seems to me that he was just trying to get some discussion going on day 1. I understand why people are voting since this is day one and you have to jump on any vibes you get but I'm not too sure on this one. When the lynch train starts on BRB, we don't hear a PEEP out of Magiconz. He explains as such, all wrapped up with another post containing yet more general thoughts and not a lot of substance. First of all, my bad. Like a complete moron, I forgot about this game for a couple of days. I'm probably gonna get heat for that and quite frankly, I deserve it. Second of all, Produceman made a pretty decent argument for BRB but...I still wouldn't call him mafia. I would just call him inexperienced. He's trying to get his feet wet. Now, if it turns out that he IS mafia, by all means, I'll take the heat for defending him but unless someone is able to get some evidence against on him now that it's Day 2 or he does something that REALLY sticks out as being scummy, I can't feel right voting for him. Here comes the post made by Magiconz with the absolute most substance, and the only one in which he doesn't tend to echo already well stated thoughts. I do agree that a lynch is key on this day, even if it means that there is a strong possibility of getting a fellow town member. As someone else said, it's a necessary evil. As far as BRB goes, that's a lot of information. So much so that you're kinda making suspicious. It just seems like you made a pretty big jump from "inexperienced rookie" to directing the conversation. The cause of this conversation could have been driven by discussion with your mafia buddies during the last night phase. Shows up pages later to throw in a vote for BRB for the reason he already stated. Doesn't really present any more information, but comfortably throws his vote in the hat after pages have gone by where everybody is grilling BRB. Very easy for him to slip in with the crowd and join in with the chanting, if you will. Kinda surprised to see people voting this early on. Can't say I'm against the aggressiveness. Still, I'm pretty sure about this vote now so I'll go ahead and cast it. Vote:BoilerRoomBrawlerThe fact you're now taking charge of the conversation despite being "inexperienced" makes me really suspicious. @wethespartans I'm not really suspicious of anyone but BRB for the reasons I've previously stated. Pages later, we get a post from Magiconz. It's virtually one of the only posts in which he includes independent reasoning for his feelings. They're solid points, but they come after the players were already very suspicious of Yami. Why would I bring this up? Because it relates to Magiconz's next post, in which I believe he inadvertently gives up himself and his playing style. First of all, and it looks like this has been established already but just to emphasize the point, no way AH and Yami are working together. I understand mafia members wanting to oppose each other so that nobody suspects them but they've been going at each other way too hard throughout this game. I'm pretty sure that one of them is mafia but I'm also pretty sure that one of them is town. As far as which one I believe is mafia, I have to go for Yami. Solid cases have been presented against both but for me, it comes down to one fact. BRB voted for AH on both days. Now, I know that mafia members for voting other mafia members isn't an uncommon practice but I just don't see them doing it this early in the game. Why would they? The only two people that were targeted on day 1 and 2 were AH and BRB. Either way, they would have lost a mafia member if AH was mafia. It just doesn't make sense to me. Vote: Yami RedgraveHere's the post in which I believe he gives himself away, and it's through another general thought. Orange does make a good argument against Joker. BUT, I wouldn't call him mafia. Voting for someone who was inactive and had received no votes the day before the phase ends is such a bizarre move that I kinda want to say that he can't be mafia. Why not just go with the pack and vote for Yami if he was mafia? Why draw that much attention yourself? It's just a really weird move. Admittedly, I may be wrong and he could be mafia but I'm thinking that it's a bizarre move by a townie instead of an incredibly stupid move by a mafia member. As of right now, Yami is still the frountrunner for getting my vote. As far as Jono goes, I believe him. He's putting himself out there without any real prodding by anybody to do so which makes me believe him. Again, I could be wrong but for the time being, I'll back him up on his role claim. As far as my activity goes, even though I haven't been super active in this thread, I feel that I've added to the discussion at numerous points. Still, I'll try to post in here more often. Bold text added by me, but that's the point I'm talking about. So far, that's all we've seen Magiconz do: slip in unquestioned and jump aboard a lynch train, even if it means one of your own (assuming) gets taken down. Now, Joker was serial killer, but it's still the point that that's all we've seen Magiconz do, and could have very well been thrown in by him to take any possible heat off of himself for doing the same thing. If it was presented that he knew it was a bad way to play, nobody would question him because he's aware of it, so there's no point for him to do the same thing he criticized. It's brilliant. The one thing I'll give Magiconz, as evidenced by this post, is that he agrees with me that his posts aren't very in-depth. Fair enough. Honestly, I'd be inclined to agree with your statement that I haven't really offered up many theories and haven't been very in-depth with my posts. I've been playing a pretty passive game so far so I'll try to change that. Wasn't my intent at all to dismiss the claims against BRB. I accepted that people felt that way, I just didn't agree with it on day one. On day 2, there was a very noticeable change in BRB's style, as if he was trying to overcompensate for his lack of experience which lead to all of the heat being put on him on day one. Something seemed amiss so I voted for him. As far as who I think is suspicious right now: Yami: OH WOW, looking back on the post where I voted for Yami, I meant to include a part explaining WHY I was voting for him but I guess I must have accidentally deleted it before I posted. My bad on that one. My reasoning for voting for Yami boiled down to the fact that he and BRB voted against AH on day 2, which lead me to believe that they were in cahoots. Pretty weak reasoning, I know, but I felt strongly about it at the time and felt that his death could have provided some much needed information. I was under the belief that either AH or Yami had to be mafia/third party because of how much they were going at each other. Since AH was voted against by a mafia member and was later revealed to be town, I'm believe that Yami is mafia/third party. I could be way off base with this but this is who I'm leaning towards. If I absolutely had to vote today, this is where I would place it. Produceman: Honestly, I kinda feel like he's trying TOO hard to single people out. He played a role in BRB's lynching so he isn't mafia. But, there is a possibility that he's part of a third party and is trying to make sure the town doesn't target his teammates. Inactives: This was a factor in you calling me out, right? It's very fair to be suspicious of people who aren't posting that much or just don't throw in any theories of their own. In particular, I don't think Hawk Jefferson or the Real Slim sMurfy have said too much or even voted. I know that real life comes first but I would like to hear more from these guys if possible. That's all I got right now. That post was in response to a post made by MrBRulzOK, in which B calls out some of the same points I'm making here. So, obviously, I'm not too off base with my criticisms if the actual player can see it, too. Magiconz would also throw a lynch in for Joker, while fully admitting that he didn't feel he was scum, which shows honesty when looking at his older posts about Joker. And, unless I missed some, that's every single post from Magiconz in the last thread. Most are theory-less, safe, and they echo general thoughts. I don't like them, and I hope that the next day phase, where a possible lynch would make more sense seeing as how we're focused on Wolf Hurricane right now, you guys will look at my case and consider it.
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