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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 18:46:36 GMT -5
Mark came off as a huge babyface last night IMO, taking down the huge lumbering jerk who has been tormenting him for the last several weeks. I haven't watched much of this feud but from reading recaps I'm pretty sure the feud exists because Mark Henry started attacking Sheamus for no real reason. He's hardly the victim here. You should be able to tell who's the heel and who's the face without knowing who "started it". That's the problem with every feud Sheamus has. He's as much or more of a dick than the heel, but since they're "bad people" or they did something to him first, he should just act like that and be cheered. I don't buy it.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 7, 2013 19:06:04 GMT -5
Sheamus humiliates the guy who repeatedly decked him for no reason, and in turn, subjecting said guy to a taste of his own nastiness. The Sheamus character is borked on many levels, but I ain't seeing how this ranks that highly amongst them.
Really, if you consider Sheamus was kicking Dolph in the head for fun last Summer, he's improving in terms of face-ness.
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Post by Cronant on May 7, 2013 19:09:44 GMT -5
I haven't watched much of this feud but from reading recaps I'm pretty sure the feud exists because Mark Henry started attacking Sheamus for no real reason. He's hardly the victim here. But Mark's a heel, sneak attacks are expected of him. What....kind of logic is this? Sheamus had nothing to do with Henry. Henry attacked Sheamus. Now they're both beating the hell out of each other, and not being nice about it. Why does it need to be anything else? Sheamus hasn't claimed to be an angel. Dear god you guys. This board so wrapped up in 'faces acting like faces' that they excuse heels and expect the faces to be pacifists, all the while forgetting what profession we're dealing with.
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Post by mrjl on May 7, 2013 19:10:06 GMT -5
I haven't watched much of this feud but from reading recaps I'm pretty sure the feud exists because Mark Henry started attacking Sheamus for no real reason. He's hardly the victim here. You should be able to tell who's the heel and who's the face without knowing who "started it". That's the problem with every feud Sheamus has. He's as much or more of a dick than the heel, but since they're "bad people" or they did something to him first, he should just act like that and be cheered. I don't buy it. At the beginning of the Hogan/Andre feud could you really do that?
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Post by mrjl on May 7, 2013 19:16:23 GMT -5
But Mark's a heel, sneak attacks are expected of him. What....kind of logic is this? Sheamus had nothing to do with Henry. Henry attacked Sheamus. Now they're both beating the hell out of each other, and not being nice about it. Why does it need to be anything else? Sheamus hasn't claimed to be an angel. Dear god you guys. This board so wrapped up in 'faces acting like faces' that they excuse heels and expect the faces to be pacifists, all the while forgetting what profession we're dealing with. they want him to be a paragon of justice. That way they can call him boring and root for the heels.
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Post by MichaelMartini on May 7, 2013 19:23:38 GMT -5
I like him better as kind of a douche than kind of a comedian. Besides people know Henry is a bully and keeps beating people up after the bell. Henry wasn't letting Ryback get away with beating him in their contests so he cheap shotted him. It's like the classic heel move when they try to shake the face's hand but he ignores it and decks him instead. Sheamus is just beating Henry to the punch.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on May 7, 2013 19:27:26 GMT -5
I ain't the biggest fan of his persona, but I dig 99% of what he does between bells. All of this. Yea pretty much spot on.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 19:30:05 GMT -5
This is why the WWE has millions of recaps. People seem to have trouble remembering what takes place in the most basic of angles.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 7, 2013 19:46:26 GMT -5
If he ran to the ring every night like that time he ran down the steps to get The Shield, he'd be one of my favorite wrestlers of all time. He just looked so HAPPY.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 7, 2013 21:24:28 GMT -5
I haven't watched much of this feud but from reading recaps I'm pretty sure the feud exists because Mark Henry started attacking Sheamus for no real reason. He's hardly the victim here. Just ignore that part. That seems to be how it works. Doesn't really work with Sheamus, though. It's fine to have a babyface retaliate against a heel who wrongs him...it's stupid to do it quickly, since you're supposed to sell tickets/PPV's based on "see the bad guy finally get his comeuppance from the good guy!", but it's allowable. What doesn't work with Sheamus is his bullying streak (recently done with Wade Barrett), and that he's apparently booked as a petulant child who's also a sore loser. Henry being the one who "starts it", again, DOES make retaliation fine, but the way they've written that retaliation, it's been easier to have sympathy for Henry than for Sheamus. If Sheamus is the face and supposedly the guy we should cheer or the guy kids should look up to on some level, booking him with a bully streak and as a sore loser is highly questionable, at best, and downright idiotic at worst. It's truly wretched booking, and it's too bad because Sheamus is a pretty solid in-ring performer.
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Post by mrjl on May 7, 2013 21:41:01 GMT -5
I haven't watched much of this feud but from reading recaps I'm pretty sure the feud exists because Mark Henry started attacking Sheamus for no real reason. He's hardly the victim here. But Mark's a heel, sneak attacks are expected of him. And ever since those attacks, Sheamus has been acting like a cowardly dick in competitive situations where he knew Mark had him beaten. And last night the way Sheamus made Mark fall out of a chair from flinching was the stereotypical act of a bully. All from what is supposed to be one of the company's top babyfaces who appeals to little kids. What Sheamus has been doing is getting Mark into competitive situations so he can get his own shots when he has the chance, because he knows Henry will just walk out if he feels the need to
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Post by MichaelMartini on May 8, 2013 11:14:17 GMT -5
Just ignore that part. That seems to be how it works. Doesn't really work with Sheamus, though. It's fine to have a babyface retaliate against a heel who wrongs him...it's stupid to do it quickly, since you're supposed to sell tickets/PPV's based on "see the bad guy finally get his comeuppance from the good guy!", but it's allowable. What doesn't work with Sheamus is his bullying streak (recently done with Wade Barrett), and that he's apparently booked as a petulant child who's also a sore loser. Henry being the one who "starts it", again, DOES make retaliation fine, but the way they've written that retaliation, it's been easier to have sympathy for Henry than for Sheamus. If Sheamus is the face and supposedly the guy we should cheer or the guy kids should look up to on some level, booking him with a bully streak and as a sore loser is highly questionable, at best, and downright idiotic at worst. It's truly wretched booking, and it's too bad because Sheamus is a pretty solid in-ring performer. Although I condone the attacks it is bad booking. Henry has to win at EC or else he's going to look like a total chump since Sheamus keeps getting the best of him. (not counting the WSS on the outside on Raw). Speaking of bad booking. I hate how the face still has to get a clean win when a heel does a run in. Why not protect Barrett at least a little bit with Henry running in after the Brogue kick but before the pin and giving a DQ win to Sheamus?
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Post by BatPunk on May 8, 2013 14:33:45 GMT -5
I cant stand Sheamus' character at the moment. I think the arm wrestling segment sums up very well why he's currently a bitch.
Arm wrestling challenge happens. Mark beats Sheamus clean and is happy and tries to leave. Sheamus being a sore loser asks for another match but using the left arm, fully knowing he's going to cold-cock Henry with his right. This is some jock, bullying type thing and WWE wants you to cheer for him?? I think this entire feud would have been much better if their roles were reversed. There would be incredible heat if Sheamus was a heel and that scenario played out.
I just cant get behind, nor do I care for this version of Sheamus.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 8, 2013 18:07:23 GMT -5
I cant stand Sheamus' character at the moment. I think the arm wrestling segment sums up very well why he's currently a bitch. Arm wrestling challenge happens. Mark beats Sheamus clean and is happy and tries to leave. Sheamus being a sore loser asks for another match but using the left arm, fully knowing he's going to cold-cock Henry with his right. This is some jock, bullying type thing and WWE wants you to cheer for him?? I think this entire feud would have been much better if their roles were reversed. There would be incredible heat if Sheamus was a heel and that scenario played out. I just cant get behind, nor do I care for this version of Sheamus. He's giving Henry his comeuppance for attacking him multiple times. It's pro wrestling, not ballet. And many people here wanted Sheamus to be an ass-kicker, well here you go. What he's been doing is straight out of the Attitude Era face playbook.
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Post by celticjobber on May 8, 2013 18:14:42 GMT -5
I cant stand Sheamus' character at the moment. I think the arm wrestling segment sums up very well why he's currently a bitch. Arm wrestling challenge happens. Mark beats Sheamus clean and is happy and tries to leave. Sheamus being a sore loser asks for another match but using the left arm, fully knowing he's going to cold-cock Henry with his right. This is some jock, bullying type thing and WWE wants you to cheer for him?? I think this entire feud would have been much better if their roles were reversed. There would be incredible heat if Sheamus was a heel and that scenario played out. I just cant get behind, nor do I care for this version of Sheamus. He's giving Henry his comeuppance for attacking him multiple times. It's pro wrestling, not ballet. And many people here wanted Sheamus to be an ass-kicker, well here you go. What he's been doing is straight out of the Attitude Era face playbook. What worked for Stone Cold Steve Austin over a decade ago, doesn't work for Sheamus. He just comes off as a big asshole, a sore loser, and a bully. Austin came off as a bad-ass. And it was different, because Steve was never in situations where he lost fair & square in a competition and had to be a big pussy like Sheamus and sneak attack his opponent to get the upper hand.
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Post by Cronant on May 8, 2013 18:16:56 GMT -5
Sheamus doesn't present himself as a paragon of virtue. He just likes kicking people in the face.
That Brogue kick on Henry was hilarious Monday. He paid for it, but he's not going to whine about it, he's just going to try and kick Henry's ass. Simple stuff.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 8, 2013 18:18:09 GMT -5
Sheamus doesn't present himself as a paragon of virtue. He just likes kicking people in the face. That Brogue kick on Henry was hilarious Monday. He paid for it, but he's not going to whine about it, he's just going to try and kick Henry's ass. Simple stuff. Exactly, it isn't like Sheamus doesn't want a match against Henry. He does want to settle it in the ring, but Henry keeps attacking him so attacks first.
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Post by mrjl on May 8, 2013 18:22:05 GMT -5
He's giving Henry his comeuppance for attacking him multiple times. It's pro wrestling, not ballet. And many people here wanted Sheamus to be an ass-kicker, well here you go. What he's been doing is straight out of the Attitude Era face playbook. What worked for Stone Cold Steve Austin over a decade ago, doesn't work for Sheamus. He just comes off as a big asshole, a sore loser, and a bully. Austin came off as a bad-ass. And it was different, because Steve was never in situations where he lost fair & square in a competition and had to be a big pussy like Sheamus and sneak attack his opponent to get the upper hand. I like it for Sheamus, hated it for Austin. And Austin did do things like dress up in a suit, and pretend to play corporate suck up and then attack him. And then there was the thing with Tyson where Tyson pretended to jopin DX but he was actually on Austin's side.
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Post by celticjobber on May 8, 2013 18:28:48 GMT -5
What worked for Stone Cold Steve Austin over a decade ago, doesn't work for Sheamus. He just comes off as a big asshole, a sore loser, and a bully. Austin came off as a bad-ass. And it was different, because Steve was never in situations where he lost fair & square in a competition and had to be a big pussy like Sheamus and sneak attack his opponent to get the upper hand. I like it for Sheamus, hated it for Austin. And Austin did do things like dress up in a suit, and pretend to play corporate suck up and then attack him. And then there was the thing with Tyson where Tyson pretended to jopin DX but he was actually on Austin's side. All of that is totally different from anything Sheamus has been doing. Sheamus has been presented as a huge muscle-bound idiot who is a sore loser with a fondness for making cheesy "arse" jokes. Steve Austin actually had a nuanced character. He was a redneck with serious trust issues, who refused to change and become a corporate kiss-ass to his boss.
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Post by mrjl on May 8, 2013 18:53:34 GMT -5
I like it for Sheamus, hated it for Austin. And Austin did do things like dress up in a suit, and pretend to play corporate suck up and then attack him. And then there was the thing with Tyson where Tyson pretended to jopin DX but he was actually on Austin's side. All of that is totally different from anything Sheamus has been doing. Sheamus has been presented as a huge muscle-bound idiot who is a sore loser with a fondness for making cheesy "arse" jokes. Steve Austin actually had a nuanced character. He was a redneck with serious trust issues, who refused to change and become a corporate kiss-ass to his boss. why do you believe Sheamus actually gives a damn about his non-wrestling contests with Henry?
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