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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on May 17, 2013 17:25:02 GMT -5
Kudos to TNA for keeping him at midcard level these days. I think he's one of the few cases where the accusation of "he'd never be a big name in TNA if not for his WWE stint" is 100% correct. I've never found his matches interesting, his promos are always grating to my ears and his character has evolved only slightly more than RVD, i.e. almost no change whatsoever.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on May 17, 2013 17:32:27 GMT -5
TNA happened -- both his world title reigns were incredibly short and they made him even more generic by having him dye his blonde hair which was really the only thing that made him stand out I think that was his own idea, don't think he likes the blonde hair.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 17, 2013 17:35:40 GMT -5
I remember listening to various Bryan Alvarez audios where he used to just trash Anderson's matches and his entire schtick. This was hilarious and at times mean spirited stuff too. Anderson's problem to me is that he has a good introductory gimmick with the mic spiel, but then after that you see the guy really doesn't have much else to offer. He's a marginal wrestler at best and his promos never take it to that next level beyond what you already get in the beginning.
Oddly enough I think Anderson might find himself in his current role, regardless of how incoherent his Aces and Eights turn was. At least he is now forced to just be a total heel scumbag and he's at his best as that #3 heel.
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Post by gnr123 on May 17, 2013 17:44:54 GMT -5
What happened?
TNA realized that he sucks, that's what happened.
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Post by SOR on May 17, 2013 18:44:42 GMT -5
People blame TNA which is amazing to me.
Anderson's mega push was killed in WWE when he kept getting hurt. I think it was 2-3 major injuries that put him out for multiple months that's when WWE stopped trying with him. From that point on he lost his "future star" status.
TNA tried to push him and he was over but not THAT over. Hence the small title reigns eventually he lost a lot of weight and is now used as an Upper Midcard guy who can slip into TV Main Events if need be.
Not every wrestler touted as a future star will become one. Anyone remember Hail from WCW? Huge guy that everyone loved who did nothing. O'Haire? Raven? Mike Awesome? There's tons.
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Post by celticjobber on May 17, 2013 18:44:57 GMT -5
My honest opinion? He just plain sucks. His look, his mic act, and his in-ring skills are all very sub-par.
He's a total channel changer for me, one of the most annoying wrestlers of all-time.
If anyone ever had "X-Pac heat" with me, it's Ken Anderson.
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Post by SOR on May 17, 2013 18:49:03 GMT -5
My honest opinion? He just plain sucks. His look, his mic act, and his in-ring skills are all very sub-par. He's a total channel changer for me, one of the most annoying wrestlers of all-time. If anyone ever had "X-Pac heat" with me, it's Ken Anderson. I agree with you about everything but the mic skills. He's okay there. I can only handle the guy in a 6 man tag situation though. If he's in a singles match I won't watch it.
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Post by The Ichi on May 17, 2013 19:48:38 GMT -5
I didn't even know he won the belt, much less twice.
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Post by g1megatronfan on May 18, 2013 8:13:34 GMT -5
Everyone made him out to be something he wasn't...a big future star. I remember around 2005-2006 everyone thought he was going to be the next Austin or Rock. The only thing he had going for him was his introductions that everyone was going nuts over for some ungodly reason. He was always just okay in the ring. Nothing awful...but nothing great either.
Then he got fired from WWE after a bunch of mishaps and there he is in TNA today. Again...nothing awful but nothing great either. He is a great example of people over rating a wrestler.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 18, 2013 11:24:29 GMT -5
People blame TNA which is amazing to me. Anderson's mega push was killed in WWE when he kept getting hurt. I think it was 2-3 major injuries that put him out for multiple months that's when WWE stopped trying with him. From that point on he lost his "future star" status. TNA tried to push him and he was over but not THAT over. Hence the small title reigns eventually he lost a lot of weight and is now used as an Upper Midcard guy who can slip into TV Main Events if need be. Not every wrestler touted as a future star will become one. Anyone remember Hail from WCW? Huge guy that everyone loved who did nothing. O'Haire? Raven? Mike Awesome? There's tons. I gotta agree here. TNA's not at fault for Anderson. they gave him plenty of chances and he didn't do anything with them. when they gave those same chances to the likes of Austin Aries, Robert Roode and to a lesser extent James Storm those guys did much better. compared to them (and I'd even through AJ and Matt Morgan into the pile too) he just has nothing to offer beyond a schtick that got tired years ago.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on May 19, 2013 21:17:35 GMT -5
People blame TNA which is amazing to me. Anderson's mega push was killed in WWE when he kept getting hurt. I think it was 2-3 major injuries that put him out for multiple months that's when WWE stopped trying with him. From that point on he lost his "future star" status. TNA tried to push him and he was over but not THAT over. Hence the small title reigns eventually he lost a lot of weight and is now used as an Upper Midcard guy who can slip into TV Main Events if need be. Not every wrestler touted as a future star will become one. Anyone remember Hail from WCW? Huge guy that everyone loved who did nothing. O'Haire? Raven? Mike Awesome? There's tons. I agree with your assessment of Anderson. It wasn't their fault, they let him have the ball and run with it, and he stumbled. The only thing I believe they did wrong was turn him face (though his inability to adapt to that role is a failing of Ken Anderson, and not TNAs). Realistically that applies to O'Haire as well, couldn't cut a live promo to save his life, and as awesome as the gimmick was it didn't translate well to to something outside of the vignettes. I believe Raven and Awesome were... hindered in WWE and WCW respectively, though I was entertained by Mike Awesome no matter how cheesy the gimmick he had in WCW, it just was CLEARLY limiting how seriously the audience would take him. And Raven was just someone who did not mesh with WWE's corporate mindset, whereas he was amazingly over as a heel in WCW. I rebuke, however, your assertion that Hail was loved by anyone outside of the office. He blipped on the radar and failed. And he was a big guy who had no personal charisma in a company stacked with charismatic big guys.
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 22:15:23 GMT -5
People blame TNA which is amazing to me. Anderson's mega push was killed in WWE when he kept getting hurt. I think it was 2-3 major injuries that put him out for multiple months that's when WWE stopped trying with him. From that point on he lost his "future star" status. TNA tried to push him and he was over but not THAT over. Hence the small title reigns eventually he lost a lot of weight and is now used as an Upper Midcard guy who can slip into TV Main Events if need be. Not every wrestler touted as a future star will become one. Anyone remember Hail from WCW? Huge guy that everyone loved who did nothing. O'Haire? Raven? Mike Awesome? There's tons. I agree with your assessment of Anderson. It wasn't their fault, they let him have the ball and run with it, and he stumbled. The only thing I believe they did wrong was turn him face (though his inability to adapt to that role is a failing of Ken Anderson, and not TNAs). Realistically that applies to O'Haire as well, couldn't cut a live promo to save his life, and as awesome as the gimmick was it didn't translate well to to something outside of the vignettes. I believe Raven and Awesome were... hindered in WWE and WCW respectively, though I was entertained by Mike Awesome no matter how cheesy the gimmick he had in WCW, it just was CLEARLY limiting how seriously the audience would take him. And Raven was just someone who did not mesh with WWE's corporate mindset, whereas he was amazingly over as a heel in WCW. I rebuke, however, your assertion that Hail was loved by anyone outside of the office. He blipped on the radar and failed. And he was a big guy who had no personal charisma in a company stacked with charismatic big guys. Yeah I meant the WCW office was high on Hail. Hulk Hogan and Jimmy Hart were big fans of his.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on May 19, 2013 22:43:38 GMT -5
I agree with your assessment of Anderson. It wasn't their fault, they let him have the ball and run with it, and he stumbled. The only thing I believe they did wrong was turn him face (though his inability to adapt to that role is a failing of Ken Anderson, and not TNAs). Realistically that applies to O'Haire as well, couldn't cut a live promo to save his life, and as awesome as the gimmick was it didn't translate well to to something outside of the vignettes. I believe Raven and Awesome were... hindered in WWE and WCW respectively, though I was entertained by Mike Awesome no matter how cheesy the gimmick he had in WCW, it just was CLEARLY limiting how seriously the audience would take him. And Raven was just someone who did not mesh with WWE's corporate mindset, whereas he was amazingly over as a heel in WCW. I rebuke, however, your assertion that Hail was loved by anyone outside of the office. He blipped on the radar and failed. And he was a big guy who had no personal charisma in a company stacked with charismatic big guys. Yeah I meant the WCW office was high on Hail. Hulk Hogan and Jimmy Hart were big fans of his. I remember hearing about that too. He was big, but that roster was pretty stacked at the time, and filled with too many good people for him to standout as there were plenty of big guys as well. And again, I dunno if that was his fault for anything. But I wouldn't put Hogan and Heart on the hook for it.
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Post by Shark on May 20, 2013 0:24:20 GMT -5
The simple fact is, he's not very good. He's ok on the mic, though he's very one note. He's just ok in the ring and, IMO, needs someone to carry him to a good match.
I never ever ever understood why people were saying he was going to be the next Austin. To me there was not anything that said he was the next big star.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 20, 2013 4:49:42 GMT -5
The simple fact is, he's not very good. He's ok on the mic, though he's very one note. He's just ok in the ring and, IMO, needs someone to carry him to a good match. I never ever ever understood why people were saying he was going to be the next Austin. To me there was not anything that said he was the next big star. He had a good look and a degree of charisma at a time developmental was churning out guys like the Tolands and Deuce Shade, it's hard not to look like the second coming when that's what you're competing against.
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Post by Professor Chaos on May 20, 2013 5:33:05 GMT -5
In reading this thread I've watched Impact almost every week since 2007 and Anderson was TNA champ? Twice? For the life of me I have no recollection. Also who the hell is Hail?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 20, 2013 5:43:47 GMT -5
In order to be a big star, you have to be a lot better than average.
Anderson is the wrestling definition of average. Outside of the match against Angle at Lockdown, has he had a good one on one match? His matches are so 'meh', his matches are just there. Like I said in the thread about Anderson feuding with Miz in 2009, at least Miz has had good one on one matches with guys like Mysterio, Morrision, Cena (their Raw matches), Kofi, and D-Bry. It just seems like Anderson's ceiling is average.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on May 20, 2013 5:53:13 GMT -5
In order to be a big star, you have to be a lot better than average. Anderson is the wrestling definition of average. Outside of the match against Angle at Lockdown, has he had a good one on one match? His matches are so 'meh', his matches are just there. Like I said in the thread about Anderson feuding with Miz in 2009, at least Miz has had good one on one matches with guys like Mysterio, Morrision, Cena (their Raw matches), Kofi, and D-Bry. It just seems like Anderson's ceiling is average. Anderson has had good matches with Bully Ray, Sting and Jeff Hardy as well as Kurt and that's a fact. I'm not standing here saying Anderson is or should be the next big thing and I'm not saying he is anything more than average but saying the only person he's had great matches with is Kurt is a bit of a stretch. Also let's not get into comparing The Miz to anyone here either as Miz is another guy who is a forgettable champion and has had decidedly average matches and feuds.
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Post by SOR on May 20, 2013 7:34:16 GMT -5
Also who the hell is Hail? He was like a big 6'7 guy was around 300 pounds. Worked mainly WCW Saturday Night and Worldwide tapings but I believe he made an appearance at Uncensored 2000 as Jimmy Hart's manager and worked an early 2000 episode of Nitro. He had a short run in XWF and quickly retired. Hogan and Jimmy Hart were calling him the future of wrestling and he probably could of been had WCW stuck around past 2001.
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