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Post by dav on May 31, 2013 9:14:43 GMT -5
In the title, but which villains out there do you reckon are too sympathetic, whether by accident or design? Whether the heroes are complete gits and thus, hard to support, or the villain just has too many likeable qualities to be hated, any stand out for you?
One that comes to mind for me is Tai-Lung from Kung Fu Panda. It was rather hard to hate the guy when it turned out everything he'd struggled and worked for was denied to him and was locked up for twenty years to be mocked and humiliated. It didn't help matters that when he broke out, the final battle essentially turned him into a joke and the main character murdered him when he was already broken and defeated.
Plus, Po was played by Jack Black and there's something about the guy that just irks me.
Your thoughts?
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Post by agent817 on May 31, 2013 9:45:42 GMT -5
Sandman from "Spider-Man 3." I think it was trying too hard to have the audience sympathize with him because his daughter has an illness but that doesn't give him a pass to do what he did.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 31, 2013 10:38:23 GMT -5
Gen. Hummel in The Rock. He had a righteous cause and only resorted to his plan because every legal avenue had been closed.
Loki in Thor. The adopted son raised in the shadow of his favoured brother.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 31, 2013 11:47:01 GMT -5
Clubber Lang. He clearly deserved a title shot.
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Post by Red Impact on May 31, 2013 11:47:37 GMT -5
Sandman from "Spider-Man 3." I think it was trying too hard to have the audience sympathize with him because his daughter has an illness but that doesn't give him a pass to do what he did. I was coming in to say this too. Came out of freakin' nowhere in the movie too, just a line to try to justify it. If Mr. Freeze was a tragic villain done right, Sandman was one done completely wrong. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 31, 2013 11:52:53 GMT -5
the brother from A.I. I mean yeah the kid was acting like a prick, but how would you feel if you were a kid who almost died, your parents froze you and then replaced you with a machine, as if all that mattered was that they had a kid. whether it was you or someone else was immaterial. and then when you come home you have to act out this farce and just accept it. that'd sting like hell. and it's not his fault David was programmed to love his mother to the point of insanity. I just didn't like that the film tried portraying his brother like some evil little creep when the kid had every reason in the world to hate his robot "brother".
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Post by The QC Loser on May 31, 2013 12:02:54 GMT -5
Gen. Hummel in The Rock. He had a righteous cause and only resorted to his plan because every legal avenue had been closed. Loki in Thor. The adopted son raised in the shadow of his favoured brother. To be fair I think Hummel's men were more the villians. Hummel was just bluffing and as soon as his bluff was called he wanted everyone to just leave. The guys he hired said no and were going to launch the gas. |
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Post by Hit Girl on May 31, 2013 13:28:48 GMT -5
Hummel should have put more thought into his plan before hiring hardened, aggressive and highly armed mercenaries that so willingly betrayed their country for personal profit and then hitting them with the news that their entire reason for doing so was a bluff that really had little or no chance of success.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 31, 2013 13:29:30 GMT -5
Sandman from "Spider-Man 3." I think it was trying too hard to have the audience sympathize with him because his daughter has an illness but that doesn't give him a pass to do what he did. Definitely this. He apologizes to Peter and Pete's reaction is to say "I forgive you"? The guy killed your uncle while committing a crime, thus ruining your Aunt's life and driving you to become a masked vigilante. He's got a sick kid though, so it's okay? HE KILLED UNCLE BEN. The entire audience booed in my theater when Peter said that, because they all felt betrayed. The audience had followed Peter's story through three films, and they cared about Uncle Ben and felt for Peter's loss. When he forgave Sandman, it was like the character was slapping the audience in the face. |
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Post by HMARK Center on May 31, 2013 13:41:13 GMT -5
Gen. Hummel in The Rock. He had a righteous cause and only resorted to his plan because every legal avenue had been closed. Loki in Thor. The adopted son raised in the shadow of his favoured brother. To be fair I think Hummel's men were more the villians. Hummel was just bluffing and as soon as his bluff was called he wanted everyone to just leave. The guys he hired said no and were going to launch the gas. LANGUAGE www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q86ft3FYqo4 |
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on May 31, 2013 15:38:41 GMT -5
Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen. I can't even watch this movie again because the ending pissed me off so much.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 31, 2013 15:40:23 GMT -5
Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen. I can't even watch this movie again because the ending pissed me off so much. I totally agree. How the hell am I supposed to root against the guy after what happens to his wife and child? If anything, I was against Jamie Foxx. |
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Post by Rican on May 31, 2013 15:50:55 GMT -5
The Man in Black from Lost {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Why was he evil? All he wanted to do was leave. His "mom" was a crazy bitch who killed their real mother and his brother had been holding him captive on the island for thousands of years. Yeah, the stuff he did after was evil but at least initially they did a really poor job making him seem evil. |
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 31, 2013 16:00:38 GMT -5
Magneto in the comics to me was very sympathetic I actually rooted for him more
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Post by Banecat on May 31, 2013 16:23:25 GMT -5
Bane from Dark Knight Returns. Convicting all the Wall Street traders and bankers that caused the recession, the guy deserved a monument for that.
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Post by ZombieElvis on May 31, 2013 16:37:07 GMT -5
The evil kid from Robocop 2. He takes over the drug trade, tries to buy the mayor and never shows remorse, but they try to play the end of his character as a sad moment because he's a kid.
Only time I've ever been happy to see a child die in a movie....
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 31, 2013 16:37:20 GMT -5
Sandman from "Spider-Man 3." I think it was trying too hard to have the audience sympathize with him because his daughter has an illness but that doesn't give him a pass to do what he did. Definitely this. He apologizes to Peter and Pete's reaction is to say "I forgive you"? The guy killed your uncle while committing a crime, thus ruining your Aunt's life and driving you to become a masked vigilante. He's got a sick kid though, so it's okay? HE KILLED UNCLE BEN. The entire audience booed in my theater when Peter said that, because they all felt betrayed. The audience had followed Peter's story through three films, and they cared about Uncle Ben and felt for Peter's loss. When he forgave Sandman, it was like the character was slapping the audience in the face. To be fair, he did try to outright murder Sandman in an early encounter (though, this was after Peter got the black costume, which probably amplified his hatred and malevolence to "murderous vengeance" levels) |
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Post by wallabylikeyou on May 31, 2013 17:13:04 GMT -5
Pierce Brosnan in Mrs. Doubtfire. Does he even do anything wrong?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 31, 2013 17:18:02 GMT -5
Pierce Brosnan in Mrs. Doubtfire. Does he even do anything wrong? they never really say he's the bad guy, though. if anything, the only mean thing he ever says is when he talks about what a loser Robin Williams' character is, and he was right. |
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Post by wallabylikeyou on May 31, 2013 17:21:36 GMT -5
Yeah but we were supposed to sympathise with Williams (who hated the Brosnan character) in that movie, even though he's a psycho.
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