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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Jun 3, 2013 19:53:12 GMT -5
When ECW went out of business, didn't they grab a bunch of ECW talent and do tapings at the ECW Arena? If I remember correctly, it was called Main Event Championship Wrestling.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 3, 2013 20:21:32 GMT -5
When ECW went out of business, didn't they grab a bunch of ECW talent and do tapings at the ECW Arena? If I remember correctly, it was called Main Event Championship Wrestling. I remember this show. The plan was to start up a new promotion with a section in the Northeast, and another in the South. Tracey Smothers was involved. They had only one show at the old ECW Arena and it was a mess, with New Jack and Buff Bagwell causing noticeable debacles. A few weeks later it was revealed that the money man behind the mess was a con artist.
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Post by RareTradU on Jun 3, 2013 20:51:07 GMT -5
I am surprised nobody mentioned this: I heard that was a bad PPV. Is it true? I actually enjoyed this show. The RVD/Sabu match was way better than I expected and Raven/Dreamer was pretty good as well. Don't remember who he wrestled but Scorpio had a real good match. The only thing that bothered me about the show was all the name changes to the wrestlers because of WWE owning the rights to the ECW character names.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 20:54:17 GMT -5
Though I wholeheartedly agree that we don't need any further "ECW reunion shows," they didn't all fail. The Hardcore Homecoming shows several years ago did very well at the gate, and also did well on DVD. They were absolutely successful at the time they took place.
3PW wasn't meant to be an ECW reunion. It was a Philadelphia independent promotion run by Blue Meanie and Jasmin St. Clair. They did book some former ECW guys, since Meanie was an ECW guy, and they were running in Philadelphia during the years immediately after ECW shut down. It only makes sense he would book the guys who he felt would draw a crowd, and several of them were his co-workers from ECW. It was very much its own independent promotion though, and not marketed as ECW reunion shows.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 4, 2013 11:44:13 GMT -5
There's only so many "reunions" that can be done especially if it's one with guys who are beat up and their best days are behind them. Even with the opposite, like a TV show reunion, where actors may still be young and current there's only so much that can be said or done that hasn't been seen or heard before. '
Example would be M*A*S*H. It was a huge show back in the day, still shows reruns and has new fans being made. They had a 20th anniversary show, a 30th anniversary show and an A&E special. The 20th had all the main actors as they were all living, the 30th had all but two who were deceased and the A&E special only had a few actors appear. Even though the A&E show may be enjoyable and informative it won't compare to a full reunion show, IMO.
ECW is done. It's fun seeing the occasional WWE.Com article or books or DVDs. Paul Heyman the mastermind behind ECW won't be doing any of the indy shows. Then there's some deceased guys like Awesome, Bigelow and Candido plus Storm probably stays busy with school, Funk is nearly done, Dudleys and Tazz are with TNA and Foley is probably too much money. Now the only choices for bigger names are guys like Shane Douglas who burns so many bridges, Sabu and Credible who have serious problems as noted from previous shows, a loose cannon like New Jack and Balls and Axl.
Now maybe if a small promotion could get all of the biggest names to just appear plus the lower names to do the wrestling it could work out well. But if not then it becomes a reunion show without all the main stars. It would be even worse than a Gilligan's Island or Brady Bunch with a character replaced. You can't replace Foley, Funk, Bigelow, Awesome, Dudleys etc...and with the other guys it's going to go down like many of the other ones did.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jun 4, 2013 12:50:00 GMT -5
The reason they failed is very simple: there were no crucifixion angles.
Crucifixion angle = $$$
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 4, 2013 15:47:52 GMT -5
I think another part of it is that the nature of hardcore wrestling has evolved from where it was in ECW's heyday, but these reunions try too often to invoke nostalgia. ECW was about bringing what was new at the time, not riding a dated ideal into the ground.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 4, 2013 20:49:28 GMT -5
ECW was essentially a glorified indie promotion that a part of the wrestling fanbase worshiped like a cult. I enjoyed it as a kid, but it's tough to watch any of the stuff now because of how low quality comes off as at times.
Then again I also never really bought into Joey Styles as an amazing announcer and still find Paul Heyman's genius to be overrated, but that's just me.
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Post by molson5 on Jun 4, 2013 20:56:44 GMT -5
I thought they did pretty well for nostalgia shows. I think what you have to compare them to is southern nostalgia shows that feature the Rock N' Roll Express. They can draw a fun, lively crowd, but you can't expect anything too significant.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 4, 2013 23:38:55 GMT -5
Not to get all Malcolm Gladwell here, but ECW was a confluence of so many factors at the right time that made it work. That time has passed and what made it work in the past just isn't there anymore.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 4, 2013 23:54:04 GMT -5
Now days it just beating the dead horse. No matter how many times you do it, the horse is still dead. None of the talent is what they where back in the day. The ones who are worth a damn else where. The ones who used to be worth something broke down, retired, or in RVD case got lazy. Extreme Raising just pissed off to many people on show one. Then again money became the issue. Plus Shane Douglas saying he won't wrestle but continued to do so didn't help. The only plus on those shows was bring in new younger talent.
The same thing with House of Hardcore. Dreamer at less bring in new young talent in. Not just a bunch of his ECW friends. Sure he has some and why wouldn't he, but it's not all just that. But Dreamer has a much better mind for booking to make it work.
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Post by aaronslip on Jun 6, 2013 1:38:03 GMT -5
A ECW reunion show needs more pyro to work. Like Sabu at Guilty as Charged 99, they had the right idea there...
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Post by Reflecto on Jun 6, 2013 3:41:45 GMT -5
That is the basic form- right now, just doing an ECW reunion and bringing out ECW guys from 13 years ago, who have no hope to live up to even their kind of low bar in-ring, won't be able to succeed as well. The shows that have a chance to succeed of this group are the shows that are mixing one or two names from ECW, with younger, lesser-known talents on the lower card, that are able to be booked as being equals to the older talent and not just there as extras for these two's big match- which, come to think of it, was how ECW themselves made their name.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 6, 2013 4:26:33 GMT -5
In addition to all the rest, the audience has gotten older. The guys who were teenagers/early 20s during the Raven/Dreamer feud, when ECW was at it's height are at least in their 30s, might have families now. For a one off every now and again it's cool to go, but life changes and they can't support the promotion like they used to. Nostaliga's great, but your current life is more important.
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Post by Juice on Jun 6, 2013 21:01:09 GMT -5
3pw was awesome from what I have seen. The United We Stand Divided We Brawl show was really good. Plus the hardcore homecoming/November Reign were both good shows as well. I even liked every bit of WWECW. However the ECW reunion has been so over done, over-saturated, over produced, and it's the same group of people watching each and every one of these shows so they are even more boring.
I made a graphic when Shane Douglas tried his revival of the old guy from Pet Semetary. "Sometimes deads better Shane"
Sometimes deads better ECW
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 6, 2013 23:07:41 GMT -5
I actually really liked 3PW as well (well for the most part anyways). It genuinely felt like a continuation of what ECW was trying to do rather then an exploitation of it. I liked how they mixed new talent in with the originals and it got me interested in guys like Joey Matthews/Mercury and Matt Striker. Of course most of the good it had was usually offset by especially brutal segments featuring Todd Gordon and Jasmine St. Claire.
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