A No DQ match with Countout?

[CM Parish]

[Dan Gerous]

Yeah that was stupid.

[Cronant]

They do specify it sometimes as "No DQ, no countout" matches. Which means its possible to have a countout in a regular no dq match. Not much point though.

[Deleted]

You think that was stupid? Just wait until Axel wins his first cage match by countout.

[Deleted]

From Wikipedia:

No Disqualification match[edit]
A No Disqualification match, also known as a No Holds Barred match,[30] or sometimes as an Anything Goes match or Raven's Rules match, is a match where neither wrestler can be disqualified, allowing for weapons and outside interference.[31] The key differences between a No Disqualification match and a standard hardcore match are that falls must be made in the ring, there is less emphasis on the use of weapons, and often the Count-Out rule is still in effect for No Disqualification matches.[32] However, in a No Holds Barred match, the Count-Out rule is not observed, with a greater emphasis on weapons as opposed to a No Disqualification match. A match which does not observe disqualifications or count-outs, where pinfalls must take place in the ring, can also be known as an "Unsanctioned match", or, "Street Fight".

So No DQ =/= No Holds Barred/Street Fight.

[Deleted]

DQ and count out are two different stipulations.

[Deleted]

Well I guess now when we ask "What's the difference between a no dq match, street fight, no holds barred" etc matches, we can say that a no dq match can still be won by countout. Unless they say specifically that it's no countout anyway.

Of course that doesn't make this look any less goofy. I can't actually recall any other no dq matches won by countout. It's so consistently "no dq no countout" that it's just kinda assumed.

I don't remember people brawling outside the ring in no dq matches with the ref there counting either, it's not like they clarify "no countout" in most of these no dq matches. We've heard "no disqualification" with no mention of countouts hundreds of times without the ref counting out anything. He usually just sorta looks on disapprovingly and says "don't do that!" when someone's about to be powerbombed through a flaming table of puppies.


As usual with wrestling, it's whatever they feel like doing. Most no dq matches they don't do a 5 count for ropebreaks either, but they do once in a while. Which makes you wonder what exactly happens if the wrestler just ignores the 5 count. I guess it'd be one of those deals where the ref physically breaks the hold rather than calls for the bell, which you do see every once in a while.

[BigWill]

Jun 4, 2013 11:06:32 GMT -5 @fsinfan said:

DQ and count out are two different stipulations.

Except that for as long as I can remember no DQ's have always been no countouts as well. When's the last time the WWE's done a no DQ match and someone's been counted out?

[A Platypus Rave]

Jun 4, 2013 11:06:32 GMT -5 @fsinfan said:

DQ and count out are two different stipulations.

Yep. That's why they usually specify no dq, no count out. when hyping other gimmick matches.

[Deleted]

Jun 4, 2013 11:09:35 GMT -5 BigWill said:

Jun 4, 2013 11:06:32 GMT -5 @fsinfan said:

DQ and count out are two different stipulations.

Except that for as long as I can remember no DQ's have always been no countouts as well. When's the last time the WWE's done a no DQ match and someone's been counted out?

I haven't seen a count out ending, but I have seen No DQ matches where there were still counts.

[Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill]

Tajiri once beat Kane by count-out in a no DQ match.

[Crappler El 0 M]

Otherwise, how would Curtis Axel win? The Perfect Count-Out is his Raw finisher.

[Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen]

My biggest issue is, logically, the match this week should have been no countout, based on the result of last week's match, do a DQ finish this week, then a no DQ next week, with Ryback standing tall before getting destroyed at the PPV.

[MichaelMartini]

That was the deadest crowd for a main event I've ever heard. There was hardly a peep when Cena went for the 5 knuckle shuffle.

[BigWill]

Jun 4, 2013 11:36:24 GMT -5 MichaelMartini said:

That was the deadest crowd for a main event I've ever heard. There was hardly a peep when Cena went for the 5 knuckle shuffle.

Probably because you could see the finish coming from a mile away. Nothing lowers peoples intrests in a match more than a predictible ending.

[Deleted]

Such is the power of Mr. Countout, Curtis Axel.

He once beat Titus O'Neil by countout during an orgy. True story.

[wallabylikeyou]

Jun 4, 2013 11:36:24 GMT -5 MichaelMartini said:

That was the deadest crowd for a main event I've ever heard. There was hardly a peep when Cena went for the 5 knuckle shuffle.

Contrast it with the 6 man tag and it's pretty damning. Poor McGillicountout.

[Deleted]

Someone photoshop McGillicountout's head on the most interesting man in the world's body with the caption of: "I don't always win matches, but when I do it's by countout."

[SAJ Forth]

As soon as I heard the referee counting, I knew Axel wasn't even going to get thrown onto Cena by Ryback to get a pin.

[thegame415]

I thought it was a ref botch by the way the announcers initially acted.