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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 17, 2013 16:51:29 GMT -5
I will openly admit that in 2011 and 2012, I was one of those guys speaking heavily of the fact that CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and Zack Ryder were not doing good for ratings at all and were hurting how well Raw would do because of it. These were guys who were over with the live crowds and well liked by the internet, but never attracted audiences to watch the show. With The Shield, I never really thought about any of that because I was enjoying them and looked at other factors for ratings.
However now that I think about it more, it seems to me that ever since The Shield because a main focus of Raw and possibly THE focus of SmackDown, both of those shows are doing poorly in the ratings. Last Friday's SmackDown that was headlined by The Shield losing for the first time averaged 2.32 million viewers, which is not good. If it were just Raw, I'd want to look at other things, but I cannot find a single explanation for why SmackDown has been slipping heavily in ratings considering it's been very good lately.
So I have to ask the question: Are The Shield just not drawing people in despite how well they're performing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 16:52:43 GMT -5
Yes. They're also to blame for Vince McMahon's lack of boners.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Jun 17, 2013 16:57:10 GMT -5
You can only do the exact same thing week in and week out until it gets tiresome, and all they've done since they've shown up is interfere in matches, beat up people, rant about justice ten times per show, rinse lather repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:05:27 GMT -5
I love them, but my non-smark buddy HATES them and doesn't even want to watch when they're on. So, I can see how a different perspective might just make you want to turn the channel when The Shield's music hits. Maybe fans aren't used to having dominant heels, and it's a turn-off.
But, overall, I don't think they're the ones hurting the ratings. The ratings have been slowly chipped away for so long, it's just that trend continuing.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 17, 2013 17:06:17 GMT -5
We need more Cena, McMahons and Triple H. We'll worry about the future when these guys are in wheelchairs.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 17, 2013 17:13:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they're hurting the ratings. But I think the problem is that The Shield are not being pushed on their own merits. The roster is just so top heavy that the Shield are being pushed as a plot device for the sake of keeping a cluster of "main eventers" busy. Even as midcard champions, they're feuding with main eventers instead of working with the midcard because Kane, Daniel Bryan, etc. need something to do.
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Post by Chip on Jun 17, 2013 17:14:40 GMT -5
I would say Smackdowns rating are slipping because of 3 hour RAWs. I used to watch RAW and Smackdown but stopped after the 3 hour change, it just became too much.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 17, 2013 17:15:30 GMT -5
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that Raw turned into the McMahon/Triple H show over the last few months while the two of the first three months we had a champion that didn't show and we currently have one that (possibly) just got out a feud that was boring to no f***ing end. Let's blame the guys that are having great matches weekly for the ratings (which aren't even that bad) instead of the boring status quo. Why are fans even concerned with ratings? That's a business thing. Hell, I own quite a bit of WWE stock and I'm not even the slightest bit concerned,
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 17, 2013 17:16:58 GMT -5
The way I see it, the Shield have done a good job of holding down the fort while Rock was WWE Champion and carrying the SmackDown brand during Dolph's concussion. The Shield is actually proving that two World Titles aren't needed.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 17, 2013 17:21:38 GMT -5
Smackdown isn't worth my time. Not only is it on a terrible night where I'm already busy, but it's also been built to be the B show, even moreso than it has in years passed. If something big is happening, it's going to happen LIVE on Raw. If something different does happen on SD, they'll just highlight it on Raw anyways...so what's the point? They want people to tune in? Here's what you have to do;
1. Live show
2. Equal booking as Raw-so either make SD 3 hours or Raw back to 2...preferably the latter.
3. Exclusive things you can only watch on Smackdown
4. Bigger title changes. I don't give a crap if the WHC changes hands on SD, have Cena drop the belt on SD. That would give it an "anything can happen" feeling.
5. Have more big name Raw guys work SD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:22:28 GMT -5
At this point Curtis Axel is the only guy keeping the show afloat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:22:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that Raw turned into the McMahon/Triple H show over the last few months while the two of the first three months we had a champion that didn't show and we currently have one that (possibly) just got out a feud that was boring to no f***ing end. Let's blame the guys that are having great matches weekly for the ratings (which aren't even that bad) instead of the boring status quo. Why are fans even concerned with ratings? That's a business thing. Hell, I own quite a bit of WWE stock and I'm not even the slightest bit concerned, Pretty much this.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 17, 2013 17:27:48 GMT -5
At this point Curtis Axel is the only guy keeping the show afloat. It's amazing what a lifeless corpse can support in water.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 17, 2013 17:34:08 GMT -5
Smackdown isn't worth my time. Not only is it on a terrible night where I'm already busy, but it's also been built to be the B show, even moreso than it has in years passed. If something big is happening, it's going to happen LIVE on Raw. If something different does happen on SD, they'll just highlight it on Raw anyways...so what's the point? They want people to tune in? Here's what you have to do; 1. Live show 2. Equal booking as Raw-so either make SD 3 hours or Raw back to 2...preferably the latter. 3. Exclusive things you can only watch on Smackdown 4. Bigger title changes. I don't give a crap if the WHC changes hands on SD, have Cena drop the belt on SD. That would give it an "anything can happen" feeling. 5. Have more big name Raw guys work SD At this point I think they should just resign SmackDown to being the B Show. Let the big names work primarily on RAW, and turn SmackDown into a combination of Main Event and the later half of NXT Redemption's concepts. A platform for the midcarders to get over with feuds and storylines headlined by an advertised marquee match. Let the more over low carders that actually get reactions like Tons of Funk, Prime Time Players, 3MB, Santino, Ryder, Riley, Sin Cara, etc. carry the show while some random match like John Cena vs. Fandango is the marquee bout that brings in the ticket sales, ratings, etc.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 17, 2013 17:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:46:44 GMT -5
Nah. I think the lack of characters on Raw and the extremely predictable match outcomes is what is hurting Raw. Like I rather watch a Del Rio vs. Big E Langston match at this point then Del Rio vs. Cescaro because its not guaranteed that Del Rio will beat Big E but its 99.9% guaranteed Antonio will job to Del Rio despite being the better match.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 17, 2013 17:53:04 GMT -5
But as I just said, SmackDown's been BETTER the last month than it has been in a while and the ratings have gone down to levels even I can't remember them going to and this has been since The Shield became the focus of the show.
I like The Shield too, but it seems like a strange coincidence to me that the show gets better with them as the focus but the ratings keep slipping for SmackDown.
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Post by JTH on Jun 17, 2013 18:22:35 GMT -5
It's because WWE has only 1 star (Full-Timer) right now.
Right now it's John, and then everybody else.
Orton was a star, but now he's just a main event talent, Sheamus was on the verge but stopped at the main event talent. Ryback was close, but not anymore.
Punk was a star and still is the next closest thing, but his stardom got ruined after his meaningless turn last year.
To me there's a diffence between a main event talent and a star. WWE has plenty of main event talent, Cena is the only "star" that WWE treats as one.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 17, 2013 18:24:07 GMT -5
It's because WWE has only 1 star (Full-Timer) right now. Right now it's John, and then everybody else. Orton was a star, but now he's just a main event talent, Sheamus was on the verge but stopped at the main event talent. Ryback was close, but not anymore. Punk was a star and still is the next closest thing, but his stardom got ruined after his meaningless turn last year. To me there's a diffence between a main event talent and a star. WWE has plenty of main event talent, Cena is the only "star" that WWE treats as one. I think Sheamus and Orton are still "stars" to some degree. Even Miz is a "star" despite being firmly in the midcard.
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Post by JTH on Jun 17, 2013 18:28:42 GMT -5
It's because WWE has only 1 star (Full-Timer) right now. Right now it's John, and then everybody else. Orton was a star, but now he's just a main event talent, Sheamus was on the verge but stopped at the main event talent. Ryback was close, but not anymore. Punk was a star and still is the next closest thing, but his stardom got ruined after his meaningless turn last year. To me there's a diffence between a main event talent and a star. WWE has plenty of main event talent, Cena is the only "star" that WWE treats as one. I think Sheamus and Orton are still "stars" to some degree. Even Miz is a "star" despite being firmly in the midcard. If Sheamus was a "star" going into last night, he's not now. No company would leave a star talent off a PPV and instead put them on a youtube stream "Pre-show".
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