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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 18, 2013 1:01:46 GMT -5
You know, people around here are so quick to label a gimmick or angle that isn't specifically catering to their tastes as a failure, it's good to sometimes be reminded of what failure really is.
This is the face of failure, a character so forced, artificial and wholly unlikable by any subset of wrestling fandom, an inorganic repackaging of a heel whom absolutely no one was wishing they could cheer, pandering to the flag-waving nationalism of not one but two different countries at the same time, shoved into the spotlight and thrown up against the most loathsome heel they could create in the hopes that even if he has nothing going for him, people would rather cheer Del Rio than cheer racism. They were wrong.
How apropos that he shared a nickname with "Made in the USA" Lex Luger.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jun 18, 2013 1:09:42 GMT -5
If nothing else he always had keepinitreal365 on his side.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2013 1:13:18 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out what went wrong after the Big Show feud, because that was all right... Must have been because of them trying to amp up the "Yay America!"-ness to counteract Swagger.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jun 18, 2013 1:18:22 GMT -5
I really think the problem was that the guy he was playing just wasn't him. Or at least wasn't him at his best. He came across really fake. Look at him now, he has the stage presence and charisma that made him so fun to watch in 2011 back in spades.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 18, 2013 2:19:39 GMT -5
I think it was that the crowd's support of Ziggler led to them turning on Del Rio by default.
Like everyone knew that Del Rio was just a random face for Ziggler to cash in on, so everyone was just waiting for the day the cash in happened so they could mark out.
Ziggler getting concussed only made things worse for Del Rio. The fans just rallied behind Ziggler, awaiting his return and Del Rio was thrown under the bus. Now he's a heel again.
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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Jun 18, 2013 5:46:33 GMT -5
It's always been my belief that Del Rio's face run was not a total failure. He did really well in his feud against the Big Show. He was the anti-bully messiah and he was pretty over in states where he was usually not over. But then the whole Made in America stuff came into the picture and it just went downhill from there.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 18, 2013 10:10:25 GMT -5
Yeah Del Rio was getting over during the Big Show feud, but the whole Swagger feud just killed ADR's momentum. That said, am I the only one who felt that Del Rio didn't even really turn with that promo last night? There were idiots out there cheering Swagger over him. That crowd did in fact go nuts for Ziggler being a coward and cashing in on him in the way that he did. Del Rio's rationale made almost 100% sense.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Jun 18, 2013 12:58:18 GMT -5
His face turn was really abrupt and weird in the first place. He just showed up and suddenly cared about other people. Then his World Title win, while good, also came out of nowhere. Now he's a heel again?
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jun 18, 2013 13:32:39 GMT -5
It's WWE's own fault for being so unwilling to do anything with Alberto's character beyond being "Mexican" or "Mexican who loves America".
Honestly. They barely tried to give him any actual character depth at all and it just goes back to WWE Creative not being very good on the whole. How anyone can put this on Alberto himself and be all "Dusty and the polka dots LOL" is just beyond stupid.
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Post by babyfootball on Jun 18, 2013 18:21:24 GMT -5
Another classic WWE example of turning somebody face but in the process stripping him of the characteristics that made people start cheering for him in the first place. Plus, his face moveset.
ADR makes a fine heel, but I think he could have had a much better face run if he didn't turn into that hand-slapping, baby-kissing goof.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jun 18, 2013 18:33:00 GMT -5
Yeah Del Rio was getting over during the Big Show feud, but the whole Swagger feud just killed ADR's momentum. That said, am I the only one who felt that Del Rio didn't even really turn with that promo last night? There were idiots out there cheering Swagger over him. That crowd did in fact go nuts for Ziggler being a coward and cashing in on him in the way that he did. Del Rio's rationale made almost 100% sense. Then again, seems to be the trend nowadays that virtually every heel has a logical reason for being a heel; if I had the crowd cheering my dethroning through a cheap cash-in, I'd be mad too.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 18, 2013 18:46:20 GMT -5
I completely blame the Swagger push for killing his run up to Mania. Even with a whole new racist gimmick, and charismatic manager, no one cared about him after a few weeks. You really want to talk about artificial, Swagger's push completely fits that description.
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Post by suave on Jun 18, 2013 19:00:11 GMT -5
I don't know why, but for some reason I just now want to see Alberto with a Tony Montana gimmick. Tell me that wouldn't be the most entertaining shot on Smackdown.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jun 18, 2013 19:54:55 GMT -5
Yeah Del Rio was getting over during the Big Show feud, but the whole Swagger feud just killed ADR's momentum. That said, am I the only one who felt that Del Rio didn't even really turn with that promo last night? There were idiots out there cheering Swagger over him. That crowd did in fact go nuts for Ziggler being a coward and cashing in on him in the way that he did. Del Rio's rationale made almost 100% sense. Not really, I mean that's the point of MITB and Del Rio knew that - he did the exact same thing at Summerslam in 2011. It's why I get so annoyed when face's bitch about being cashed in on. Cena can but that's because his character's morals are so high that he wouldn't use the briefcase that way himself. Most other faces would so have no right to complain. Del Rio can complain as a heel because that just makes him a deluded fool as a heel should be. It doesn't make is rationale make sense though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 20:03:54 GMT -5
Another thing that really hurt was him playing down his wealth and working for his riches even though it was established he was born into wealth. It just felt forced and made him seem to be insecure. Like nothing says insecure than trading in your Bentley for a really cheap looking Bucket. They should of played his wealth to his advantage like Batman or Zorro or Tony Stark. It's also kind of sad he's heel now even though I didn't really enjoy his run but his matches were really good since he can wrestle the babyface style very well
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Post by The Trashman on Jun 18, 2013 20:09:22 GMT -5
Yeah Del Rio was getting over during the Big Show feud, but the whole Swagger feud just killed ADR's momentum. That said, am I the only one who felt that Del Rio didn't even really turn with that promo last night? There were idiots out there cheering Swagger over him. That crowd did in fact go nuts for Ziggler being a coward and cashing in on him in the way that he did. Del Rio's rationale made almost 100% sense. Yeah everything they did with Swagger was a mistake. They should have just ended the angle after his incident.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jun 18, 2013 20:32:09 GMT -5
Alberttttooooooo Dellllllll Taccoooooooooooo!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 20:59:44 GMT -5
Yeah Del Rio was getting over during the Big Show feud, but the whole Swagger feud just killed ADR's momentum. That said, am I the only one who felt that Del Rio didn't even really turn with that promo last night? There were idiots out there cheering Swagger over him. That crowd did in fact go nuts for Ziggler being a coward and cashing in on him in the way that he did. Del Rio's rationale made almost 100% sense. Then again, seems to be the trend nowadays that virtually every heel has a logical reason for being a heel; if I had the crowd cheering my dethroning through a cheap cash-in, I'd be mad too. Being mad doesn't = trying to injure another wrestler and taking sadistic pleasure in it. His body language and facial expressions told the story. Also, Del Rio cashed in on Punk, and Punk didn't try to end his career.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 21:16:43 GMT -5
Can't we say Ziggler was trying to injure ADR by going for an already injured body part when he cashed in?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 21:30:26 GMT -5
Can't we say Ziggler was trying to injure ADR by going for an already injured body part when he cashed in? You could, but going after a hurt leg that only had him out for like a week or 2 isnt the same as trying to decapitate a guy with a brain injury, especially considering that they've been pushing how serious concussions are lately.
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