Legion
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Post by Legion on Jul 1, 2013 13:07:19 GMT -5
They have a gay ref, no a gimmick, but supposedly an actual homosexual guy who happens to be a ref.
At least they do if you believe a thread on another website I visit sometimes who claims it's the god's honest truth.....tbh, no reason to disbelieve it tho
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 1, 2013 13:08:38 GMT -5
"I'm a third generation superstar. I've lived up to greatness my entire life. When you're born into perfection like I have, you are destined for great things. I will honor my family name by continuing in their paths by climbing the mountain of the WWE and achieving all I can. I will take the WWE by storm and leave no survivors in my path. This is my time. This is my genesis. My name is Curtis Axel. And I literally suck dick."
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Lila
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Post by Lila on Jul 1, 2013 13:09:16 GMT -5
Honestly. One, who cares what the person's sexuality is. Two, it's none of our damn business what it is. Three, the last thing we need is WWE glorifying homosexuality. That last statement sounds a little iffy. What's wrong with glorifying homosexuality? There's promoting homosexuality as being harmless and then there's glorifying it. As stated/joked above, having a homosexual couple just to have a homosexual couple because it's "in" isn't cool at all.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Jul 1, 2013 13:10:26 GMT -5
There's been gay wrestlers, just being gay wasn't their gimmick so nobody really knew, conveniently not making a big deal or gimmick out of it is the best way to support homosexuality.
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Marvelously Mediocre
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Jul 1, 2013 13:22:10 GMT -5
Orlando Jordan needs to come back, recieve a mega push, win the WWE title and kill two minority birds with one stone.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 1, 2013 13:26:17 GMT -5
Orlando Jordan needs to come back, recieve a mega push, win the WWE title and kill two minority birds with one stone. He causes Punk to somehow become deaf in the meantime, he regrets it and they fall in love.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jul 1, 2013 13:26:47 GMT -5
About 11 years ago in 2002
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 1, 2013 13:29:01 GMT -5
That last statement sounds a little iffy. What's wrong with glorifying homosexuality? There's promoting homosexuality as being harmless and then there's glorifying it. As stated/joked above, having a homosexual couple just to have a homosexual couple because it's "in" isn't cool at all. Why not? Especially if the character can get over as a babyface. Fandango seems like he could do the gay gimmick and be a big time babyface with how the way he presents himself. I'm a fan of things that are topical, like for instance, you have the tea party character with Zeb Colter, the 90s child nerd in Xavier Woods, and even the Fandango character being a take off of people on dancing with the stars. And I get that it shouldn't matter, that a way a person's born isn't just some sort of character. But it doesn't have to be, "the gay gimmick", I think that's oversimplfying. It's almost like Fandango, where he's more of a pretentious artist then just a ballroom dancer, if you get me. Why not have a multi dimensional character.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 13:33:51 GMT -5
There's promoting homosexuality as being harmless and then there's glorifying it. As stated/joked above, having a homosexual couple just to have a homosexual couple because it's "in" isn't cool at all. Why not? Especially if the character can get over as a babyface. Fandango seems like he could do the gay gimmick and be a big time babyface with how the way he presents himself. I'm a fan of things that are topical, like for instance, you have the tea party character with Zeb Colter, the 90s child nerd in Xavier Woods, and even the Fandango character being a take off of people on dancing with the stars. And I get that it shouldn't matter, that a way a person's born isn't just some sort of character. But it doesn't have to be, "the gay gimmick", I think that's oversimplfying. It's almost like Fandango, where he's more of a pretentious artist then just a ballroom dancer, if you get me. Why not have a multi dimensional character. Because a lot of people are gay. It's not some kind of bizarre peculiarity where only one person is that way. And also because tokenism is most strongly associated with race, gender and sexuality.
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ratetankmark
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Post by ratetankmark on Jul 1, 2013 13:35:33 GMT -5
What about Kanyon?
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 1, 2013 13:38:44 GMT -5
Why not? Especially if the character can get over as a babyface. Fandango seems like he could do the gay gimmick and be a big time babyface with how the way he presents himself. I'm a fan of things that are topical, like for instance, you have the tea party character with Zeb Colter, the 90s child nerd in Xavier Woods, and even the Fandango character being a take off of people on dancing with the stars. And I get that it shouldn't matter, that a way a person's born isn't just some sort of character. But it doesn't have to be, "the gay gimmick", I think that's oversimplfying. It's almost like Fandango, where he's more of a pretentious artist then just a ballroom dancer, if you get me. Why not have a multi dimensional character. Then how does the "gay" work into it? Is he just going to be flamboyant so we draw our own conclusions? Or are we going to see him spooning with his partner or something? Sounds like a real silly idea. I'd rather push a guy who is legit gay and not have his real life play into his gimmick (unless he wants it to) as opposed to faking it and making it juvenile and stupid. There have been numerous gay wrestlers who were successful; Pat Patterson Kanyon Orlando Jordan Hell...even Jim Barnett was a successful promoter I don't see why WWE needs to fake it or exploit it. If someone who is gay is looking for an onscreen role model, I'd rather have a legit guy who is open about it and not a character who fakes it. How disappointed were you when you found out that Hogan wasn't taking his vitamins and saying his prayers? The same applies.
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Lila
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Post by Lila on Jul 1, 2013 13:39:12 GMT -5
There's promoting homosexuality as being harmless and then there's glorifying it. As stated/joked above, having a homosexual couple just to have a homosexual couple because it's "in" isn't cool at all. Why not? Especially if the character can get over as a babyface. Fandango seems like he could do the gay gimmick and be a big time babyface with how the way he presents himself. I'm a fan of things that are topical, like for instance, you have the tea party character with Zeb Colter, the 90s child nerd in Xavier Woods, and even the Fandango character being a take off of people on dancing with the stars. And I get that it shouldn't matter, that a way a person's born isn't just some sort of character. But it doesn't have to be, "the gay gimmick", I think that's oversimplfying. It's almost like Fandango, where he's more of a pretentious artist then just a ballroom dancer, if you get me. Why not have a multi dimensional character. Because that would be WWE doing it for the sake of doing it. WWE wouldn't know how to do a gay character without it coming off stereotypical and forced.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 13:55:34 GMT -5
WWE sometimes likes to do romance angles. Hell, we just saw a few that happened to turn bad over the past year or so. I don't see why they wouldn't try some for a few homosexual wrestlers. I honestly don't see the problem. To hell with the clowns who'd scream bloody murder over it. GAY PEOPLE EXIST, y'all. They're just going to have to friggin' deal with it and move on with their damned lives. Because that would be WWE doing it for the sake of doing it. WWE wouldn't know how to do a gay character without it coming off stereotypical and forced. Problem is that stuff has existed longer than the WWE has, it just seems unnatural for the WWE to never do it. Logic would tell me they should just do the damn thing with some common frikkin' decency. I don't see why they couldn't even do that now. It's just I'm tired of pro-wrestling being held hostage by the worst drecks of the fandom or WWE not knowing how to handle anything maturely. "People will boo!" So ****ing what? It's about cultivating a more diverse and accepting audience. 'Cause y'know...more sponsors may actually want to get involved with your product?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 1, 2013 13:57:48 GMT -5
A gay character won't work in WWE.
They don't have the skill or subtlety to book anything other than something camp and stereotypical.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 1, 2013 13:59:51 GMT -5
Why not? Especially if the character can get over as a babyface. Fandango seems like he could do the gay gimmick and be a big time babyface with how the way he presents himself. I'm a fan of things that are topical, like for instance, you have the tea party character with Zeb Colter, the 90s child nerd in Xavier Woods, and even the Fandango character being a take off of people on dancing with the stars. And I get that it shouldn't matter, that a way a person's born isn't just some sort of character. But it doesn't have to be, "the gay gimmick", I think that's oversimplfying. It's almost like Fandango, where he's more of a pretentious artist then just a ballroom dancer, if you get me. Why not have a multi dimensional character. Because a lot of people are gay. It's not some kind of bizarre peculiarity where only one person is that way. And also because tokenism is most strongly associated with race, gender and sexuality. It's also something that shouldn't necessarily be hidden and ignored in society. There are tons of gay characters out there. Sometimes being gay is a strong part of their character, sometimes not, but it adds different dimensions. We don't live in a bubble. And again, it all depends. A guy like Fandango I feel could definitely pull it off very well.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 1, 2013 14:00:45 GMT -5
So ****ing what? It's about cultivating a more diverse and accepting audience. 'Cause y'know...more sponsors may actually want to get involved with your product? Well, seeing as the audience is supposed to be the consensus of how we feel about these people, I'd rather not hear anymore "faggot" chants like we got with Goldust and Adrian Adonis. Sometimes, you don't need characters to get your point across. If a wrestler is gay and he's okay with developing his character around that, then fine...let him be the decider, since he'll know how to make it work. Let's not do it for him. It's like CM Punk with the straight edge thing...you give it to someone who isn't...and they'll f*** it up.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 1, 2013 14:03:22 GMT -5
So ****ing what? It's about cultivating a more diverse and accepting audience. 'Cause y'know...more sponsors may actually want to get involved with your product? Well, seeing as the audience is supposed to be the consensus of how we feel about these people, I'd rather not hear anymore "faggot" chants like we got with Goldust and Adrian Adonis. Sometimes, you don't need characters to get your point across. If a wrestler is gay and he's okay with developing his character around that, then fine...let him be the decider, since he'll know how to make it work. Let's not do it for him. It's like CM Punk with the straight edge thing...you give it to someone who isn't...and they'll f*** it up. Once again, bringing him up, kinda like how Fandango was always a ballroom dancer?
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 1, 2013 14:04:19 GMT -5
It's also something that shouldn't necessarily be hidden and ignored in society. There are tons of gay characters out there. Sometimes being gay is a strong part of their character, sometimes not, but it adds different dimensions. We don't live in a bubble. Who is hiding it? Jason Collins doesn't play basketball in an effeminate manner, he just plays. As part of the WWE "cares" vignettes where they raise awareness for things, is the only place I could see them using a person's sexual orientation to push for a positive goal. Saying it on commentary or "making it his character" doesn't help him or LGBT cause at all. Once again, bringing him up, kinda like how Fandango was always a ballroom dancer? Are there ballroom dancers that take offense to being portrayed as characters? Because someone's professional identity and personal identity are two completely different things.
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Post by salsashark on Jul 1, 2013 14:08:19 GMT -5
I don't know but I think we should talk about it more. And more and more and more. And I think if instead of treating him like the actual person that he is, or judging his merits as a professional wrestler, we focused entirely on his blackness as an object, I think we could make monumental strides in the name of race relations. Yes, that's all good and well, but is the Rock black?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 14:10:09 GMT -5
Well, seeing as the audience is supposed to be the consensus of how we feel about these people, I'd rather not hear anymore "faggot" chants like we got with Goldust and Adrian Adonis. Sometimes, you don't need characters to get your point across. If a wrestler is gay and he's okay with developing his character around that, then fine...let him be the decider, since he'll know how to make it work. Let's not do it for him. It's like CM Punk with the straight edge thing...you give it to someone who isn't...and they'll f*** it up. Again though, you're not doing this angle because you don't want to offend the drecks in your audience who would chant that crap. I'm sure you're going to have some people chanting that too, at least at first, but that's just because the WWE went a very long time catering exclusively to the LCD. Like...maybe it's just me, but the only way you weed those people out of the audience is if you just treat it maturely and not give a shit what they think. We're not talking about booking a John Cena angle here. And YES, the Rock is Black. You can be more than one thing while also being Black.
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