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Post by héad.casé on Jul 8, 2013 7:09:41 GMT -5
This was kind of paraphrasing what Jim Ross had said on the Monday Night Wars DVD (yes I know it's a WWE DVD, winners write the story) but I can't believe that J.R would think that the only star WCW made during the Monday Night Wars was Goldberg.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 7:13:39 GMT -5
I'd like to see him say that to DDP's face.
Seriously, did WCW sexually violate Jim Ross? When it comes to WCW JR just gets real nasty.
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 8, 2013 7:58:50 GMT -5
I seem to remember him burying WCW on commentary on a few occasions, I'm not sure if this is a case of him toeing the company line or if he genuinely felt shafted by the company. Either way, I'm not sure which company he thinks made Sting a star.
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Post by bitteroldman on Jul 8, 2013 8:00:23 GMT -5
I'd like to see him say that to DDP's face. Seriously, did WCW sexually violate Jim Ross? When it comes to WCW JR just gets real nasty. Go back and look at the character "Oklahoma". If I were JR, I'd be a little testy too. |
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 8, 2013 8:22:55 GMT -5
He may mean that Goldberg was the only homegrown star (DDP got his start in AWA, Sting started off in Mid-South) though one could argue Kevin Nash (who started out in WCW before his WWF run) if we're going that route.
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Post by amaron on Jul 8, 2013 8:24:36 GMT -5
As in made a popular character from the ground up? I agree.
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Post by osiris on Jul 8, 2013 8:25:17 GMT -5
Sting was a star before the Monday night wars. Jr is pretty spot on with his assertions. Beyond Goldberg and the case can be made for ddp wcw made zero stars during the monday night wars taking pre existing stars and using them. A case can e made for the youth movement towards the end but it was too little too late and the performances weren't all that great. Wcw n the monster factory did more to crush young superstars hopes and dreams than to make them ready for prime time.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 8, 2013 9:12:45 GMT -5
If a wrestler getting his start elsewhere means they weren't created by the company they became big in, then sure, WCW only created Goldberg and The Giant, but then those criteria whittle down the stars created entirely by the WWF to a very short list indeed, just Randy Orton and Lesnar... Not exactly a great list of stars for a company with such a long history and the benefit of a decade of essentially being the only game in town. Go back and look at the character "Oklahoma". If I were JR, I'd be a little testy too. Wasn't Oklahoma something Ferrara did backstage for the amusement of Vince in the WWF? They even put the character on HeAT, if I remember correctly, so given that and the WWF/E's repeated mocking of his condition, Ross would have to be a special kind of petty hypocrite to hate WCW based on that. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe that the company choosing Bischoff over him is the cause of his hatred. In 1993, Ross was the most likely choices to succeed Bill Watts as president of WCW but they went with the less experienced Bischoff instead, and Ross fled to the WWF. |
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 8, 2013 9:18:24 GMT -5
I'd definitely argue WCW made Rey Mysterio too. He was big in Mexico, yes, and he had his stint in ECW, yeah, but the general public didn't know who he was till WCW. And, without that run, I doubt as many people would've been as excited to see him in the WWE as they were. And, I have my doubts WWE could've maneuvered him into the position he would eventually gain without it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 8, 2013 9:45:52 GMT -5
I'd definitely argue WCW made Rey Mysterio too. He was big in Mexico, yes, and he had his stint in ECW, yeah, but the general public didn't know who he was till WCW. And, without that run, I doubt as many people would've been as excited to see him in the WWE as they were. And, I have my doubts WWE could've maneuvered him into the position he would eventually gain without it. Absolutely. There is a ridiculous notion in wrestling that a wrestler is not a star unless they have the main belt, it doesn't matter how much screentime you get, how many feuds, matches and how much mic time, if you don't hold the belt, you're not a star which has lead to titles being utterly devalued as it's not a matter of IF a guy will hold them, but when. Nitro had an embarrassment of riches in terms of star power, guys who weren't huge names in wrestling before WCW gave them screen time to show what they can do in order to get over, guys like Jericho, Konnan, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Saturn, Raven (He was one of their most over upper midcard acts at one point, appearing on videogame covers as the equal of Hogan, Nash and Goldberg), Benoit, DDP, Kanyon, William Regal, Lance Storm, Fit Finlay, Rey Mysterio, Kidman, Brian Pillman, Marc Mero (who was an incredibly hot prospect at one point), Booker T, Scott Steiner and so on and so forth and made them memorable, got them over with the audience and made them into talent that the WWF/E wanted... People like JR can claim most of those names got their start elsewhere all they want, but look at what WCW did for someone like Chris Jericho. Before his WCW stint boosted his name value, the WWF (With good ol' JR as head of talent relations) only wanted him to play the career killing JTTS Goon gimmick, while WCW gave him ring time, mic time and let him show what he can do. Look at Lance Storm too, WCW made him seem like an unbeatable heel technician who was on his way to the world title, the WWF came along and made him boring. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Jul 8, 2013 9:54:28 GMT -5
In the era of the Monday Night Wars, that is a true statement. They made DDP into a legit uppercard threat, but nowhere near the level of Goldberg. Booker and Steiner were pushed at the tail end of WCW and Booker's career was bolstered by his WWE run while Steiner's could have but flopped due to his injury woes.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 8, 2013 10:06:27 GMT -5
Jim Ross is full of shit and he's done a lot to kill his credibility in the past few years.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jul 8, 2013 10:10:42 GMT -5
Jim Ross is full of shit and he's done a lot to kill his credibility in the past few years. Agree 100%. I've lost almost all respect for him at this point. It's painfully obvious that now he's little more than a stooge for Vince McMahon. |
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Post by willyjakes on Jul 8, 2013 10:12:04 GMT -5
Let's face it, JR is a dope and can be an incredibly embarrassing company shill at times.
20 years later, I personally STILL see him as primarily a WCW guy and just some southerner keeping Gorillas chair warm.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 8, 2013 10:15:34 GMT -5
Jim Ross is full of shit and he's done a lot to kill his credibility in the past few years. Agree 100%. I've lost almost all respect for him at this point. It's painfully obvious that now he's little more than a stooge for Vince McMahon. I lost pretty much any respect I still had for him after he kept working for a guy who makes fun of his medical condition all the time. |
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jul 8, 2013 10:19:36 GMT -5
Agree 100%. I've lost almost all respect for him at this point. It's painfully obvious that now he's little more than a stooge for Vince McMahon. I lost pretty much any respect I still had for him after he kept working for a guy who makes fun of his medical condition all the time. The way he carries/presents himself on Twitter doesn't do him any favors. |
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Post by SOR on Jul 8, 2013 10:22:42 GMT -5
Goldberg and Big Show were two big stars who came from the Powerplant, Throw in Stacy Keibler and Torrie Wilson who would both be up there in the top most famous female wrestlers ever and you have 4 relatively big stars that were home grown in WCW's very own training centre
Then guys who got their first major run in WCW. Booker T, Scott Steiner, Rick Steiner, Buff Bagwell, Chris Benoit, Sting (Made it big in the company that became WCW), Mysterio, Kidman, Raven and tons of others who were made in WCW.
It's easy for WWE to sit back and say "WELL THEY ONLY MADE GOLDBERG" but it's a silly statement. Sadly 95% of people believe it and talk down on WCW because of what idiots like JR say about it.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 8, 2013 10:37:57 GMT -5
I seem to remember him burying WCW on commentary on a few occasions, I'm not sure if this is a case of him toeing the company line or if he genuinely felt shafted by the company. Either way, I'm not sure which company he thinks made Sting a star. Jim Crockett Promotions made Sting a star. |
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Post by Smiley Smile on Jul 8, 2013 10:53:02 GMT -5
I seem to remember him burying WCW on commentary on a few occasions, I'm not sure if this is a case of him toeing the company line or if he genuinely felt shafted by the company. Either way, I'm not sure which company he thinks made Sting a star. Jim Crockett Promotions made Sting a star. WCW was the logical progression of JCP. WCW was effectively a rebranding of the old Crockett promotion after the Turner buyout, so for all intents and purposes I'm considering it WCW. |
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 8, 2013 10:56:56 GMT -5
Sting was already a star before Crockett sold his company to Turner. His match with Flair at the first Clash predates the Turner sale by several months.
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