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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 26, 2013 12:17:07 GMT -5
I think a "I won't kill" rule is fine in worlds where the villain doesn't actually do anything that gets a lot of people killed or anything. the problem is, modern writers want it both ways, where the hero has to stick to his "I won't kill" code in a world where the Joker (and others) are written as so cartoonishly evil and vile that there's no intelligent explanation for why nobody's tried to kill him. when your bodycount dwarfs Osama Bin Laden's, and it will just continue to grow because the hero does shit all to keep you in check, it just makes the hero look worse.
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 26, 2013 13:42:15 GMT -5
That's one of the things that annoys me about comics in general. All those people Joker has killed and/or hurt so bad...even if Batman refuses to break his rule and not kill the guy, why don't the cops just kill him? If I was a Gotham cop, and I'm there when Batman brings Joker in for the bazillionth time, I'm totally ok with losing my job after I fill Joker with about 200 pounds of bullets and burn his corpse so that not even a single electron exists. I'd be totally ok with Batman punching me, getting fired from the GCPD, and I'd even plead guilty at my trial for the execution of the Joker. bit if that happened then everyone would jump off a slippery slope and become violent thugs and Superman would have a bitchfit and run away. I actually really like Kingdom Come, but man is that strawman argument weak. Yeah, I agree. You can do a story like that very easily...but Joker can NOT be the one that gets killed to set it all up.
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 26, 2013 13:45:09 GMT -5
I think a "I won't kill" rule is fine in worlds where the villain doesn't actually do anything that gets a lot of people killed or anything. the problem is, modern writers want it both ways, where the hero has to stick to his "I won't kill" code in a world where the Joker (and others) are written as so cartoonishly evil and vile that there's no intelligent explanation for why nobody's tried to kill him. when your bodycount dwarfs Osama Bin Laden's, and it will just continue to grow because the hero does shit all to keep you in check, it just makes the hero look worse. I agree with this too. I like the no killing rule, so Batman, Superman, and Spiderman are all fine with me...but tone back the villains. When they are so horrible and are escaping/getting busted out so often, they make the hero look extremely stupid and ineffectual! I actually don't think Joker should be about killing people all the time, anyway. He should do more random weird crimes, he can still be kept creepy that way too.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 26, 2013 13:48:37 GMT -5
I agree with this too. I like the no killing rule, so Batman, Superman, and Spiderman are all fine with me...but tone back the villains. When they are so horrible and are escaping/getting busted out so often, they make the hero look extremely stupid and ineffectual! I actually don't think Joker should be about killing people all the time, anyway. He should do more random weird crimes, he can still be kept creepy that way too. Which is probably why DCAU Joker is the best Joker out all of them, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 13:56:47 GMT -5
Lex Luthor once had a Supercomputer tell him that Superman was Clark Kent and he scoffed at the idea, believing that a being of such power couldn't possibly deign to masquerade as a common man.
Lex is lucky that he can dress himself in the morning, the idiot.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jul 26, 2013 14:20:07 GMT -5
Lex Luthor once had a Supercomputer tell him that Superman was Clark Kent and he scoffed at the idea, believing that a being of such power couldn't possibly deign to masquerade as a common man. Lex is lucky that he can dress himself in the morning, the idiot. But those glasses
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 26, 2013 14:58:59 GMT -5
I actually love that story. perfect example of how, for being "the smartest man on earth" Lex is such an egomaniac he can't understand why anyone would want to be one of the plebes.
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 26, 2013 16:06:48 GMT -5
I was complaining earlier about how these villains do monstrous things, and the "no kill rule" tends to make the heroes look so stupid after a while. There's sort of another victim to that too...Arkham Asylum. Has there ever been a story where someone went to that place and left it for the better? I actually and honestly think that'd be a cool story. There's a typical breakout and takeover of Arkham by the Joker or somebody...but the Bat-Family are actually secondary/background characters. Instead we follow an inmate...maybe a serial killer or something that the doctors actually managed to reach and is now seeking redemption. We follow him as he saves the hospital crew from various bad things (beatings, murder, ect), saves a Bat-family member secretly, actively avoids the Joker (and not just because Joker tends to randomly murder anyone, but because he also has this weird habit of noticing people not being "as crazy" as he likes them to be), and stuff like that. I think it'd make for a good story...especially if our main character got to actually survive the thing. I assume it's probably been done though...in some form or another. I'm just kinda wanting the main to be a regular guy and not some super dude.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 16:28:21 GMT -5
The same reason Darkseid can't beat Brock Sampson.
Because the lawyers are @$$holes.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jul 26, 2013 17:49:53 GMT -5
Because it would piss off the fanboys. Everything pisses off the fanboys. Batman gets a puppy, FANBOY ATTACK! But Batman did get a puppy: And he grew up into this:
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 26, 2013 18:54:58 GMT -5
Yeah, and why can't the mandarin just use his magic to kill superman? WHAT'S UP WITH DAT? Because the Mandarin's rings aren't magic.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 27, 2013 18:59:00 GMT -5
Lex Luthor once had a Supercomputer tell him that Superman was Clark Kent and he scoffed at the idea, believing that a being of such power couldn't possibly deign to masquerade as a common man. . I think there was a similar story where Spider-Man was fighting Doc Ock in front of the Daily Bugle staff. Ock pulled off the mask to reveal Peter Parker, but the bugle staff just thought it was Parker trying to be Spider-Man.
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