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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Aug 21, 2013 17:31:13 GMT -5
Farrell doesn't bring in Koji in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth because he wanted to save him "for a save situation"
Brings him in today in a 12-1 game
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 21, 2013 17:55:55 GMT -5
Making his return to the rotation, Barry Zito was tagged for six runs in 3 2/3 innings by the Red Sox in a loss Wednesday.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 21, 2013 18:32:24 GMT -5
Well I hope the Mets are happy with themselves...
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Post by Cyno on Aug 21, 2013 22:40:55 GMT -5
So Ichiro Suzuki just hit his 4,000th hit tonight, a feat only accomplished twice previously in professional baseball history: by Ty Cobb and Pete Rose.
Some will diminish this because a big chunk of the hits came in the Japanese league, but I'm not one of them. It's a tremendous accomplishment. Congrats to Ichiro.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 22, 2013 5:07:05 GMT -5
So Ichiro Suzuki just hit his 4,000th hit tonight, a feat only accomplished twice previously in professional baseball history: by Ty Cobb and Pete Rose. Some will diminish this because a big chunk of the hits came in the Japanese league, but I'm not one of them. It's a tremendous accomplishment. Congrats to Ichiro. Damn right it's a tremendous accomplishment. The guy's a Hall of Famer.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 22, 2013 7:23:43 GMT -5
So Ichiro Suzuki just hit his 4,000th hit tonight, a feat only accomplished twice previously in professional baseball history: by Ty Cobb and Pete Rose. Some will diminish this because a big chunk of the hits came in the Japanese league, but I'm not one of them. It's a tremendous accomplishment. Congrats to Ichiro. Ichiro is easily a hall of famer. But, since when do they count stats from the Japanese league? I know I'll sound like a cynic, but this stinks of MLB trying to force a positive headline in the wake of the steroid mess this season
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 22, 2013 8:47:30 GMT -5
His HOF candidacy is only based on his US stats, but it's just a cool thing to know that he had so many Japanese hits before coming over. I'm sure some voters will give him some Japanese credit, which they really shouldn't, but regardless, it's a great feat.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 22, 2013 8:47:52 GMT -5
Also, poor Ryan Braun
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Post by Cyno on Aug 22, 2013 10:21:48 GMT -5
He's still a first ballot hall of famer, IMO, even with just his US stats (which as Fuzzywarble said, is what counts for the Hall of Fame; otherwise Hideki Matsui would be a surefire first ballot HoFer instead of probably never getting in). But 4000 professional hits is still a tremendous accomplishment, even if it isn't an official statistic, and speaks to just how incredible a hitter Ichiro has been through his career.
Also don't like how some of the discussion I've seen about it around the net has pretty much dismissed the Japanese leagues as inferior without knowing much about it, comparing it to the minor leagues or even little league. It reeks of ignorance and racism.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 22, 2013 10:41:13 GMT -5
He's still a first ballot hall of famer, IMO, even with just his US stats (which as Fuzzywarble said, is what counts for the Hall of Fame; otherwise Hideki Matsui would be a surefire first ballot HoFer instead of probably never getting in). But 4000 professional hits is still a tremendous accomplishment, even if it isn't an official statistic, and speaks to just how incredible a hitter Ichiro has been through his career. Also don't like how some of the discussion I've seen about it around the net has pretty much dismissed the Japanese leagues as inferior without knowing much about it, comparing it to the minor leagues or even little league. It reeks of ignorance and racism. Ignorance, yes. But racsim? I think you're reaching there. I havent seen ANYBODY say that the Japanese leagues and players are inferior because they're Japanese. I don't think the league is inferior, so much as it is different. For example in the Nippon league: The ball is differet in make-up and size, and the playing field and strike zone are also smaller than Major League baseball stardards. Again, if you ignore the stats from Japan, Ichiro is without a doubt a hall of famer for his awesome MLB career. But lumping him into the MLB record books as a 4,000 career hitter in *the Major League* isn't accurate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 11:01:13 GMT -5
Mets just signed Daisuke Matsuzaka.
Guess the joke is on me.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 22, 2013 11:12:07 GMT -5
Mets just signed Daisuke Matsuzaka. Guess the joke is on me. When are you gonna switch allegiances already?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 11:12:58 GMT -5
Mets just signed Daisuke Matsuzaka. Guess the joke is on me. When are you gonna switch allegiances already? Never!
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 22, 2013 13:43:03 GMT -5
He's still a first ballot hall of famer, IMO, even with just his US stats (which as Fuzzywarble said, is what counts for the Hall of Fame; otherwise Hideki Matsui would be a surefire first ballot HoFer instead of probably never getting in). But 4000 professional hits is still a tremendous accomplishment, even if it isn't an official statistic, and speaks to just how incredible a hitter Ichiro has been through his career. Also don't like how some of the discussion I've seen about it around the net has pretty much dismissed the Japanese leagues as inferior without knowing much about it, comparing it to the minor leagues or even little league. It reeks of ignorance and racism. The Japanese Leagues are inferior no matter how you look at it. Sure there have been some good players to come from the Japanese leagues to the US, but only one has had a Hall of Fame career, Ichiro. Sure many of these guys come over after they've hit their peak, but Hideki Matsui was a 50 home run guy one year in Japan to a 16 home run guy in America the very next year. I'm not saying that to discredit him, because he did once reach 30 home runs, but obviously he was the same person from one year to the next, but the league he was in was different. He never put up anywhere near the stats that he did in Japan which seems to me to say that hitting was a little easier for him over there. But the most obvious example is the American players like Tuffy Rhodes and Randy Bass who were below average Major Leaguers and dominated the Japanese Leagues there were in. Randy Bass was a .212 hitter with 9 career home runs over 6 Major League Seasons, went to Japan and won back to back triple crowns. Rhodes had 13 career home runs in America over 6 years, went to Japan and tied the all time home run mark. That is more telling of an inferior quality league than the Majors I don't know what is. I don't mean to knock Japanese baseball, but the stats don't back your claim that it is not inferior to Major League Baseball. Also, I don't like that you mentioned racism, as if anyone was racist it would be the Japanese League as they have a limit to how many non-Japanese you can have on your team, can you imagine an American team having such a thing now days? Also, when Rhodes was going for the home run record he was intentionally walked every time after tying the record so that an American wouldn't break Oh's record. Sounds kinda racist to me.
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Post by MGH on Aug 22, 2013 14:25:52 GMT -5
Awesome. Reds take 3 of 4 from the DBacks and open up a 7 game lead for that second wildcard spot.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 22, 2013 15:09:20 GMT -5
Just because Japanese culture has a lot of inherent xenophobia doesn't justify mouthbreathers on Facebook pages and Internet comment pages casually throwing around slurs against Asian people to diminish Ichiro's personal accomplishment or Japanese players in general. Or saying the Japanese league is inferior simply because it isn't American without knowing anything about the way baseball is played there. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I also never said it isn't inferior to MLB, just that many of the people who are saying it is around the net are saying so out of ignorance rather than knowing anything about the sport in Japan. I'd put it better than AAA ball and probably a bit better than the dregs of the majors.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 22, 2013 17:19:51 GMT -5
Just because Japanese culture has a lot of inherent xenophobia doesn't justify mouthbreathers on Facebook pages and Internet comment pages casually throwing around slurs against Asian people to diminish Ichiro's personal accomplishment or Japanese players in general. Or saying the Japanese league is inferior simply because it isn't American without knowing anything about the way baseball is played there. Two wrongs don't make a right. I also never said it isn't inferior to MLB, just that many of the people who are saying it is around the net are saying so out of ignorance rather than knowing anything about the sport in Japan. I'd put it better than AAA ball and probably a bit better than the dregs of the majors. Gotcha. I agree with you there.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 22, 2013 17:55:44 GMT -5
And just to make clear: I don't think this should go down in MLB record books or anything and certainly shouldn't be a qualifier for Cooperstown (though Ichiro is within striking distance of 3000 MLB hits). But as a professional accomplishment it's an incredibly rare feat. Even including the minors it's something only a handful of people have done.
Also the umpires in this Yankees-Blue Jays series have been dreadful. At least they didn't screw up the score any. Even if the umpires made the right call in the 5th inning, it still would've been 2-1 NYY at that point because Nunez tagged up like the ball was an out (which it was, but it wasn't ruled that way) and the double play would've come after he got the run in.
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 22, 2013 18:19:58 GMT -5
Daisuke Matsuzaka will start for the Mets on Friday against the Tigers.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 22, 2013 18:29:09 GMT -5
Daisuke Matsuzaka will start for the Mets on Friday against the Tigers. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Spoiler: Tigers win 8-0
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