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Post by SOR on Aug 5, 2013 16:28:56 GMT -5
Here's a recent update on the deal. Not a lot of info yet but what do we all think of this possible deal?
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Post by Square on Aug 5, 2013 16:31:30 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 is a non-existant promotion so far with a backer and Muto. Thats it. Hell Wrestle-1 isn't gonna be a NJPW or AJPW promotion its going to be a dojo promotion for a wrestling school with Muto at the head. Muto is not attached to any big company at the moment and doesn't seem like he will as an full time wrestler again.
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Post by SOR on Aug 5, 2013 16:33:48 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 is a non-existant promotion so far with a backer and Muto. Thats it. Hell Wrestle-1 isn't gonna be a NJPW or AJPW promotion its going to be a dojo promotion for a wrestling school with Muto at the head. Muto is not attached to any big company at the moment and doesn't seem like he will as an full time wrestler again. But they have a show scheduled for September according to their official website.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2013 16:48:59 GMT -5
Basically, it's just two parties with bad press doing a photo op to show that the future may not be so bleak. Wrestle-1 at this point is nothing, and Keji Mutoh is said to be a terrible businessman. And TNA is, well, TNA. If they do have a show, it's great, but it's just a nothing promotion at this point.
Also, if Wrestle-1 really wants to have guys go to TNA, they need to completely change the creative and production staff. The biggest draw in Japan was a stereotyped flunky. Okada really is the biggest turn off for sending any Japanese guy to TNA. Maybe Okada wouldn't have been a mega star in the States, but there has to be a middle ground between top guy in Japan to stereotyped flunky. New Japan currently is the number 2 promotion in the world, and they're the people you want to cuddle up to. Not some shady businessman like Mutoh.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 5, 2013 16:50:19 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 is so low on the scale as far as major wrestling promotions in Japan. They are nowhere in the league as New Japan. Even in their weakened states, NOAH, Zero-1, and All Japan rank higher and have more importance. Basically the meeting with TNA is standard photo-op so the Japanese wrestling media and fans believe the new Muto lead company is trying to become a player. Their startup roster isn't strong enough on it's own to make waves.
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Post by Square on Aug 5, 2013 16:54:50 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 is a non-existant promotion so far with a backer and Muto. Thats it. Hell Wrestle-1 isn't gonna be a NJPW or AJPW promotion its going to be a dojo promotion for a wrestling school with Muto at the head. Muto is not attached to any big company at the moment and doesn't seem like he will as an full time wrestler again. But they have a show scheduled for September according to their official website. What I'd imagine that show to be is a load of young guys unattached to any promotion coming to train with Muto and appear on his shows. The whole operation is set to be the same as Kaientai Dojo
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Post by SOR on Aug 5, 2013 16:54:52 GMT -5
New Japan currently is the number 2 promotion in the world, and they're the people you want to cuddle up to. Not some shady businessman like Mutoh. I've always disagreed with this one. NJPW is third in the world in my opinion. Simply because in terms of exposure TNA can be seen in 60 countries or whatever and NJPW can only be seen in Asia. I remember when JAPW and NJPW did joint shows a few years back and struggled to draw 1000 which I guess kind of shows how popular NJPW is outside of Japan. But they have a show scheduled for September according to their official website. What I'd imagine that show to be is a load of young guys unattached to any promotion coming to train with Muto and appear on his shows. The whole operation is set to be the same as Kaientai Dojo I didn't know that but I'm definitely all for any promotion that is going to be similar to Kaientai Dojo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 16:56:09 GMT -5
TNA would of been better making a deal with DDT.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2013 16:56:52 GMT -5
New Japan currently is the number 2 promotion in the world, and they're the people you want to cuddle up to. Not some shady businessman like Mutoh. I've always disagreed with this one. NJPW is third in the world in my opinion. Simply because in terms of exposure TNA can be seen in 60 countries or whatever and NJPW can only be seen in Asia. I remember when JAPW and NJPW did joint shows a few years back and struggled to draw 1000 which I guess kind of shows how popular NJPW is outside of Japan. New Japan is a lot more financially capable then New Japan, and I would say is seen by more people then TNA in comparison. New Japan can say, hey f***ers, in order to see the G1 Climax, you have to buy the whole thing. Could you imagine if TNA had the guts to try that with any of their shows.
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Post by SOR on Aug 5, 2013 17:05:57 GMT -5
I've always disagreed with this one. NJPW is third in the world in my opinion. Simply because in terms of exposure TNA can be seen in 60 countries or whatever and NJPW can only be seen in Asia. I remember when JAPW and NJPW did joint shows a few years back and struggled to draw 1000 which I guess kind of shows how popular NJPW is outside of Japan. New Japan is a lot more financially capable then New Japan, and I would say is seen by more people then TNA in comparison. New Japan can say, hey f***ers, in order to see the G1 Climax, you have to buy the whole thing. Could you imagine if TNA had the guts to try that with any of their shows. I'm not saying NJPW isn't huge and more financially stable. They're the most popular company in Japan and in terms of popularity in local markets they are a lot more popular. Internationally though TNA has distribution deals. I'm in Australia and go to my local DVD Store and pick up TNA DVD's if I want the latest Hulk Hogan TNA toy I can go to my local toy store and odds are they will have it. If I want New Japan DVD's I have to order either from Japan or the United States. So I guess we could say this: Locally NJPW>TNA Internationally TNA>NJPW
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 5, 2013 17:18:55 GMT -5
Shame TNA doesn't have that saturation in the US as they do overseas. I don't see any TNA merchandise in any US stores outside of Toy R Us. And even then, their toys are hidden behind WWE stuff.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 5, 2013 17:23:25 GMT -5
Basically, it's just two parties with bad presshttp://officialfan.proboards.com/post/9873419/edit doing a photo op to show that the future may not be so bleak. Wrestle-1 at this point is nothing, and Keji Mutoh is said to be a terrible businessman. And TNA is, well, TNA. If they do have a show, it's great, but it's just a nothing promotion at this point. Also, if Wrestle-1 really wants to have guys go to TNA, they need to completely change the creative and production staff. The biggest draw in Japan was a stereotyped flunky. Okada really is the biggest turn off for sending any Japanese guy to TNA. Maybe Okada wouldn't have been a mega star in the States, but there has to be a middle ground between top guy in Japan to stereotyped flunky. New Japan currently is the number 2 promotion in the world, and they're the people you want to cuddle up to. Not some shady businessman like Mutoh. I love when people bring up Okada as though he was someone hailed as the future of wrestling before his TNA stint, rather than someone green enough that the powers that be decided would benefit from working for a foreign promotion, that they wouldn't lose much were he gone for 2-3 years. Could they have used him better? Sure, but they were never going to give a superpush to someone who wasn't a big name and wasn't under a TNA contract. Okada returned from TNA with more experience and took off so his stint clearly worked on some level. As for this deal, it's early days, but if Mutoh's promotion gets off the ground and gains traction, TNA should look into sending people like Gunner, Spud and associated gutcheck folks there rather than the waste of time that is OVW.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2013 17:29:01 GMT -5
Basically, it's just two parties with bad press doing a photo op to show that the future may not be so bleak. Wrestle-1 at this point is nothing, and Keji Mutoh is said to be a terrible businessman. And TNA is, well, TNA. If they do have a show, it's great, but it's just a nothing promotion at this point. Also, if Wrestle-1 really wants to have guys go to TNA, they need to completely change the creative and production staff. The biggest draw in Japan was a stereotyped flunky. Okada really is the biggest turn off for sending any Japanese guy to TNA. Maybe Okada wouldn't have been a mega star in the States, but there has to be a middle ground between top guy in Japan to stereotyped flunky. New Japan currently is the number 2 promotion in the world, and they're the people you want to cuddle up to. Not some shady businessman like Mutoh. I love when people bring up Okada as though he was someone hailed as the future of wrestling before his TNA stint, rather than someone green enough that the powers that be decided he would benefit from working for a foreign promotion that they wouldn't lose much were he gone for 2-3 years. Could they have used him better? Sure, but they were never going to give a superpush to someone who wasn't a big name who wasn't under a TNA contract. Okada returned from TNA with more experience and took off so his stint clearly worked on some level. ' As for this deal, it's early days, but if Mutohs promotion gets off the ground and gains traction, TNA should look into sending people like Gunner, Spud and associated gutcheck folks there rather than the waste of time that is OVW. Again, there's major ground to cover between top draw in Japan and stereotyped flunky. That would be if Captain New Japan came over and became the top guy in TNA. As for the TNA/New Japan comparison of number 2 and number 3, there are many wrestling dvds that can be sold around the world, such as ROH who had some DVDs in stores up in Canada even. But that doesn't mean ROH is a top company. I got an CZW dvd up in Canada, that doesn't mean they're a mega drawing company. Also, with New Japan drawing 1000 people, TNA struggles to do that at times in the United States.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Aug 5, 2013 17:42:44 GMT -5
W-1's first show is sold out, All Japan is drawings crowds of like 300. They also seem to have the support of New Japan and NOAH.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 5, 2013 17:44:23 GMT -5
I love when people bring up Okada as though he was someone hailed as the future of wrestling before his TNA stint, rather than someone green enough that the powers that be decided he would benefit from working for a foreign promotion that they wouldn't lose much were he gone for 2-3 years. Could they have used him better? Sure, but they were never going to give a superpush to someone who wasn't a big name who wasn't under a TNA contract. Okada returned from TNA with more experience and took off so his stint clearly worked on some level. ' As for this deal, it's early days, but if Mutohs promotion gets off the ground and gains traction, TNA should look into sending people like Gunner, Spud and associated gutcheck folks there rather than the waste of time that is OVW. Again, there's major ground to cover between top draw in Japan and stereotyped flunky. That would be if Captain New Japan came over and became the top guy in TNA. As for the TNA/New Japan comparison of number 2 and number 3, there are many wrestling dvds that can be sold around the world, such as ROH who had some DVDs in stores up in Canada even. But that doesn't mean ROH is a top company. I got an CZW dvd up in Canada, that doesn't mean they're a mega drawing company. Also, with New Japan drawing 1000 people, TNA struggles to do that at times in the United States. Hindsight is a heck of a thing. He's really come into his own now, but at the time most people didn't think much of him, some said he had potential, yes, but he was not on the cusp of greatness going into his TNA run, if he were they would never have let him go in the first place. He wasn't used as well as he could be, but he got experience, got to be in a locker room featuring some of the greatest wrestlers of all time and got to work with and against a heck of a talent in Samoa Joe... Sure he had to deal with bad booking, but at that point in time, who didn't?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 5, 2013 21:46:08 GMT -5
New Japan is a lot more financially capable then New Japan, and I would say is seen by more people then TNA in comparison. New Japan can say, hey f***ers, in order to see the G1 Climax, you have to buy the whole thing. Could you imagine if TNA had the guts to try that with any of their shows. I'm not saying NJPW isn't huge and more financially stable. They're the most popular company in Japan and in terms of popularity in local markets they are a lot more popular. Internationally though TNA has distribution deals. I'm in Australia and go to my local DVD Store and pick up TNA DVD's if I want the latest Hulk Hogan TNA toy I can go to my local toy store and odds are they will have it. If I want New Japan DVD's I have to order either from Japan or the United States. So I guess we could say this: Locally NJPW>TNA Internationally TNA>NJPW So where are these TNA toys? Because I can only find TNA dvds in JB-HiFi and in comic book places where I can also find SHIMMER, Wrestling Society X and 1PW. Even then, those seem to only be older shows or career retrospective sort of things. EDIT: Not to mention that NJPW have been putting on amazing shows this year. TNA would kill to put on shows that are the same quality.
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Post by Lancers on Aug 5, 2013 21:54:12 GMT -5
Already got news from the future...
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 5, 2013 21:54:56 GMT -5
Already got news from the future... Misspelt sake.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 5, 2013 23:38:47 GMT -5
Again, there's major ground to cover between top draw in Japan and stereotyped flunky. That would be if Captain New Japan came over and became the top guy in TNA. As for the TNA/New Japan comparison of number 2 and number 3, there are many wrestling dvds that can be sold around the world, such as ROH who had some DVDs in stores up in Canada even. But that doesn't mean ROH is a top company. I got an CZW dvd up in Canada, that doesn't mean they're a mega drawing company. Also, with New Japan drawing 1000 people, TNA struggles to do that at times in the United States. Hindsight is a heck of a thing. He's really come into his own now, but at the time most people didn't think much of him, some said he had potential, yes, but he was not on the cusp of greatness going into his TNA run, if he were they would never have let him go in the first place. He wasn't used as well as he could be, but he got experience, got to be in a locker room featuring some of the greatest wrestlers of all time and got to work with and against a heck of a talent in Samoa Joe... Sure he had to deal with bad booking, but at that point in time, who didn't? John Cena was relatively green in 2003, but that didn't mean he was a flunky for the FBI. CM Punk was relatively green in 2002, that didn't mean he was going to be put in Special K. Lots of guys aren't on the cusp of greatness for a good while. I wouldn't expect Okada to be headlining pay per views, but he was never used on Impact, just Xplosion. I remember one time, it was sorta funny. The EV2 guys came out to "invade" and the first guy to run out of the locker room by himself was poor Okada, and that was his time on Impact before they strapped him with that Okato garbage. They did nothing with him, it's like they were thrown a guy that New Japan wanted to get some experience and they didn't tap into Okada's potential. For a guy who became so big, it may've been the biggest jump a guy ever took in his career in professional wrestling. WCW would sometimes be made fun of for having Triple H, Steve Austin and Chris Jericho with them, but they did something with those guys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 23:41:31 GMT -5
Already got news from the future... Misspelt sake. Wrestletaint.gov can either get the newz right or spelling, make your choice.
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