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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 6, 2013 0:42:12 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 isn't even a real promotion yet, just a proposed dojo small time fed
Mutoh was kicked out of all japan for good reason. He sucked as a businessman.
Meh.
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Post by SOR on Aug 6, 2013 1:42:54 GMT -5
I'm not saying NJPW isn't huge and more financially stable. They're the most popular company in Japan and in terms of popularity in local markets they are a lot more popular. Internationally though TNA has distribution deals. I'm in Australia and go to my local DVD Store and pick up TNA DVD's if I want the latest Hulk Hogan TNA toy I can go to my local toy store and odds are they will have it. If I want New Japan DVD's I have to order either from Japan or the United States. So I guess we could say this: Locally NJPW>TNA Internationally TNA>NJPW So where are these TNA toys? Because I can only find TNA dvds in JB-HiFi and in comic book places where I can also find SHIMMER, Wrestling Society X and 1PW. Even then, those seem to only be older shows or career retrospective sort of things. EDIT: Not to mention that NJPW have been putting on amazing shows this year. TNA would kill to put on shows that are the same quality. They're not overly common but I've seen TNA toys at Toys R'Us before and I believe Coles or Woolworths. Definitely not as common as the WWE stuff but a couple years back you could find it. I know this because I had a friend who was way into Wrestling Action Figures. I've seen TNA DVD's at JB Hi Fi and also K-Mart and Big W. The DVD's are much more common. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 6, 2013 6:05:17 GMT -5
]John Cena was relatively green in 2003, but that didn't mean he was a flunky for the FBI. CM Punk was relatively green in 2002, that didn't mean he was going to be put in Special K. Lots of guys aren't on the cusp of greatness for a good while. I wouldn't expect Okada to be headlining pay per views, but he was never used on Impact, just Xplosion. I remember one time, it was sorta funny. The EV2 guys came out to "invade" and the first guy to run out of the locker room by himself was poor Okada, and that was his time on Impact before they strapped him with that Okato garbage. They did nothing with him, it's like they were thrown a guy that New Japan wanted to get some experience and they didn't tap into Okada's potential. For a guy who became so big, it may've been the biggest jump a guy ever took in his career in professional wrestling. WCW would sometimes be made fun of for having Triple H, Steve Austin and Chris Jericho with them, but they did something with those guys. My issue is with people claiming that it was obvious Okada was destined to be a big thing, when at the time no-one thought much of him, they acted like he was a green guy getting a push he probably didn't deserve over there who was sent to TNA to try and improve, which he did despite TNA's booking which no-one will deny was less than stellar at the time. He wasn't seen as the can't miss prospect people have retroactively declared him to be since he took off back in his home country. His run was not great, no-one will argue otherwise, but even with a good booker, no wrestling company will give the kind of push that people now seem to think Okada deserved to a guy that could be recalled to Japan the moment he started to get over. This was not a case comparable to WCW letting Austin, Foley and Jericho go, he was never TNA's to begin with. |
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Post by skulldouggory on Aug 6, 2013 6:28:51 GMT -5
So where are these TNA toys? Because I can only find TNA dvds in JB-HiFi and in comic book places where I can also find SHIMMER, Wrestling Society X and 1PW. Even then, those seem to only be older shows or career retrospective sort of things. EDIT: Not to mention that NJPW have been putting on amazing shows this year. TNA would kill to put on shows that are the same quality. They're not overly common but I've seen TNA toys at Toys R'Us before and I believe Coles or Woolworths. Definitely not as common as the WWE stuff but a couple years back you could find it. I know this because I had a friend who was way into Wrestling Action Figures. I've seen TNA DVD's at JB Hi Fi and also K-Mart and Big W. The DVD's are much more common. The thing with the TNA DVD situation is it all got messed up when their distribution deal ended. They were getting released every month in JB and Big W when they were being distributed by MadMan here. I remember it just stopped, and it wasn't just the local distributing deal that got messed up, I remember a year or so back, there was a 8 month wait or so for a new dvd, Bound For Glory 2011 took almost a year to get released on DVD, and even then it was only via TNA's web site for awhile, which is in no shape friendly for international buyers, as their shipping costs are absurd. I see that the UK must have a deal because they have been getting the PPV's and One Night Only events, Ive seen trusted UK eBay sellers have all the latest DVDs. For us I think it is TNA just saving money in their own minds, thinking the UK is a huge market so they can get the DVDs whilst Australia isn't so they get zero DVD distribution, which is the wrong way to go about it, because it just kills anymore chance of TNA taking off further here. As for the figures, Ive seen the first series jakks figures in random places, at Toys R Us awhile back I found a Samoa Joe behind about 50 unsold Hornswoggle figures. And I went into a NQR store a few years back and for some weird reason they had a bunch of TNA figures there for $5 a piece. Even with WWE merch these days, it is not as wide spread as it was say 5 or 6 years ago. I go into the toy sections of BIG W Target and K Mart when I am bored sometimes, and there is nothing bar a few outdated figures or plushes of one wrestler. Toys R us seem to be getting the WWE figures in, but they sell out so quick, and it's bizarre that TRU doesn't just restock and make more money. |
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Aug 6, 2013 21:33:42 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 isn't even a real promotion yet, just a proposed dojo small time fed Mutoh was kicked out of all japan for good reason. He sucked as a businessman. Meh. Uhhh..it's a real promotion. And again, to say it's a "small time dojo" is kind of ridiculous considering Mutoh is involved. And he wasn't kicked out of anything, he quit. |
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 6, 2013 23:01:32 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 isn't even a real promotion yet, just a proposed dojo small time fed Mutoh was kicked out of all japan for good reason. He sucked as a businessman. Meh. Uhhh..it's a real promotion. And again, to say it's a "small time dojo" is kind of ridiculous considering Mutoh is involved. And he wasn't kicked out of anything, he quit. You get the hell outta this thread with your facts! |
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 7, 2013 0:46:25 GMT -5
It is a small time dojo
He "quit" because he was in the middle of a scandal and shitty treatment of rookies.
It is not a real promotion because it is still just an idea.
None of the big free agents in puro want to deal with him, so his "roster" is all untrained young boys still
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Post by SOR on Aug 7, 2013 0:54:47 GMT -5
Wrestle-1 isn't even a real promotion yet, just a proposed dojo small time fed Mutoh was kicked out of all japan for good reason. He sucked as a businessman. Meh. Uhhh..it's a real promotion. And again, to say it's a "small time dojo" is kind of ridiculous considering Mutoh is involved. And he wasn't kicked out of anything, he quit. To add onto this. A small time Dojo fed wouldn't really be running a 3000 seat building. Most small time dojo feds (Including Kaientai Dojo) struggle to draw 300 for anything away from Korakuen Hall. It is a small time dojo He "quit" because he was in the middle of a scandal and shitty treatment of rookies. It is not a real promotion because it is still just an idea. None of the big free agents in puro want to deal with him, so his "roster" is all untrained young boys still How is it just an idea when they're selling tickets for a show? Source: www.w-1.co.jp/news.html#news02 |
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Aug 7, 2013 2:04:09 GMT -5
It is a small time dojo He "quit" because he was in the middle of a scandal and shitty treatment of rookies. It is not a real promotion because it is still just an idea. None of the big free agents in puro want to deal with him, so his "roster" is all untrained young boys still No offense but you have no idea what you're talking about. There was no scandal. If you're talking about Hirai being attacked by TARU that happened quite a while ago and TARU is back in Diamond Ring. Shitty treatment of rookies? Like the ones who left with him? UNTRAINED YOUNG BOYS?!? Kaz Hayashi, Shuji Kondo, Masakatsu Funaki, Minoru Tanaka are untrained young boys?! Besides, the young guys on the roster have worked with wrestlers from other promotions anyway. |
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Post by SOR on Aug 7, 2013 2:18:44 GMT -5
You also have Hiroshi Yamato, KAI, Kono and Ryoto Hama. Hardly slouches.
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 7, 2013 3:27:19 GMT -5
The thing to remember, though, was the fact that with Okada/No Limit going for an excursion to TNA, that was a big reason they COULD come back and become instant huge names for New Japan. He had potential, but part of puro was that wrestlers would be sent overseas for experience before coming back and getting their big run- and with how American TV is the more common promotions people could see, it did work- and even being a jobber in America could make someone a huge name in Japan when they return. It's not so much "Since Okada became a big name in New Japan, did TNA misuse him?", but "If TNA didn't have him and have the chance to misuse him, would he BE what Okada's become right now?
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 7, 2013 17:03:01 GMT -5
Remains to be seen. I think wrestle-1 will be like when they first tried it
A couple of big shows, then nothing
I just hope it is a reallity and becomes something. New japan was the better partner
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