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Post by Malcolm on Aug 6, 2013 10:37:26 GMT -5
With that said, I'd like to say I have no problem with Johnny Depp playing wacky characters over and over again. He's good at it and can keep going 'til the end of times as far as I'm concerned (although I agree film-makers need to stop trying to sell movies based solely around his characters if said characters aren't actually supposed to be the main guy). Yep, if there's one thing that bugged me about the ads for this movie it's that it made it seem like Depp's character is the main character.
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Post by Perd on Aug 6, 2013 10:47:25 GMT -5
The critics are also the reason The Lone Rangers couldn't get a record deal.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 6, 2013 10:49:22 GMT -5
f*** Johnny Depp
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 6, 2013 10:54:30 GMT -5
The critics are also the reason The Lone Rangers couldn't get a record deal. Or naked Bea Arthur pics
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 6, 2013 10:54:54 GMT -5
Wah, wah, wah! People didn't see our movie because of the mean ol' critics! Wah, wah, wah!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 10:59:13 GMT -5
Something that also made me think: who the **** is Armie Hammer to be complaining about this kind of thing? Isn't this, like, his 2nd big movie (he played Leo's guy-pal in J.EDGAR)? And even though he played the Lone Ranger, he was hardly the perceived lead...... Just be happy Arm & Hammer hasn't sued you yet, dude.
Meanwhile, I picture Depp sitting in France sipping on wine sitting atop piles of money, dead hookers and 40 Tim Burton scripts as he speaks in some accent that's not really his.....
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Aug 6, 2013 11:04:54 GMT -5
Seriously, apart from the Depp-fatigue, apart from the whitewashing, apart from the negative press-I don't think audiences care about an old character like the Lone Ranger. It was a similar deal with John Carter, a lot of problems around it but at the core not enough people care about an old character. You think they would have learned their lesson with The Shadow back in the 90's.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 6, 2013 11:52:59 GMT -5
I saw this with my dad on the 4th of July since he grew up as a HUGE Lone Ranger fan. He enjoyed it. I thought it was just okay, but I had very low expectations to begin with.
The movie did have major problems. It wasn't the worst thing ever, but it could have been much more effective. Instead, we have every character who seems to be a walking punchline. Like...EVERY movie has to do this now, where every other line needs to be comedic.
The biggest problem though was putting too much into the story and expecting too much out of it. It's especially annoying when it effects the pacing. There was some pretty extreme violence followed up by comedy, followed by violence, followed by comedy. A horse licks scorpions off the Lone Ranger's face and so forth. Also setting up the story was stupid...I have no idea why it was told in flashbacks, which is almost always a kiss of death.
Another thing that really pisses me off is how every few years, Hollywood decides to jump on the pro-Native American bandwagon and shun their past. First off, it depends on who is in charge of the story, because even 75 years ago, there were a lot of movies that portrayed Native Americans in a positive way, and even the negative stereotypes were just mindless Indians attacking villages, and I would say a lot of that transpired because of a lot of TV shows, not so much movies. I'd say most Americans have been in love with the "Indian" since the late 19th century. Whether it was Buffalo Bill's Old West show, or a John Ford movie like Fort Apache...people usually admired or respected Native Americans most of the time. So NOW Hollywood is going to "respect" Natives by letting Depp play one? I guess he said he may have ancestry because his grandmother may be part....mmmmhmm sure. And we'll also portray him as a complete buffoon. You've come a long way, Hollywood.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 14:44:03 GMT -5
Dude does have a point about World War Z though. World War Z got mostly positive reviews though, so not really. It had a lot of negative press due to production issues, but critics actually liked it. The negative press IS what he was talking about.
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Post by Cela on Aug 6, 2013 15:00:20 GMT -5
Seriously, apart from the Depp-fatigue, apart from the whitewashing, apart from the negative press-I don't think audiences care about an old character like the Lone Ranger. It was a similar deal with John Carter, a lot of problems around it but at the core not enough people care about an old character. You think they would have learned their lesson with The Shadow back in the 90's. Yes, but Lone Ranger is still a well known property. John Carter and The Shadow were more Esoteric.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 6, 2013 16:20:44 GMT -5
World War Z got mostly positive reviews though, so not really. It had a lot of negative press due to production issues, but critics actually liked it. The negative press IS what he was talking about. They're talking about critical response, saying the critics were out to get them after initial delays. They used WWZ as another example of critics going after a movie because of production problems, but WWZ was liked by most critics despite the production problems. The only similarities is that both movies were talked about being delayed, but I don't really even remember Lone Ranger getting nearly as much bad press about production compared to WWZ. I don't think they really have an argument there. WWZ didn't succeed in spite of bad critical response, it got good critical response.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 6, 2013 16:24:50 GMT -5
It bombed because too much attention was given to Tonto. The Lone Ranger himself seemed like a background character in the marketing of the film. If another A-lister played him, it would have been more balanced. Plus people are getting bored with Johnny Depp playing the same odd character. I saw Dark Shadows the other day. He was playing the same old same old. He's either Jack Sparrow or Ichobod Crane in every film
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 16:30:52 GMT -5
The negative press IS what he was talking about. They're talking about critical response, saying the critics were out to get them after initial delays. They used WWZ as another example of critics going after a movie because of production problems, but WWZ was liked by most critics despite the production problems. The only similarities is that both movies were talked about being delayed, but I don't really even remember Lone Ranger getting nearly as much bad press about production compared to WWZ. I don't think they really have an argument there. WWZ didn't succeed in spite of bad critical response, it got good critical response. But the negative press about the production problems came BEFORE it was released and it seems like that's what he was getting at. Like they were trying to sabotage it that way.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 6, 2013 16:37:49 GMT -5
They're talking about critical response, saying the critics were out to get them after initial delays. They used WWZ as another example of critics going after a movie because of production problems, but WWZ was liked by most critics despite the production problems. The only similarities is that both movies were talked about being delayed, but I don't really even remember Lone Ranger getting nearly as much bad press about production compared to WWZ. I don't think they really have an argument there. WWZ didn't succeed in spite of bad critical response, it got good critical response. But the negative press about the production problems came BEFORE it was released and it seems like that's what he was getting at. Like they were trying to sabotage it that way. What they were trying to say, or at least how I took it, was that they think critics decided to slam the movie way back when it was first delayed in response to the delays, and wrote all of their bad reviews months before the movie was released. Hammer specifically stated that he thinks the critics wrote their reviews back then. So basically they're accusing them of conspiring to make the movie a flop because they didn't like the production delays, or something. So when they to paint WWZ as this movie that heroically defied the evil critics attempts to do the same thing, it doesn't work.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 6, 2013 16:38:09 GMT -5
TMZ captured the collective expressions of the cast while giving these quotes!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 6, 2013 16:55:39 GMT -5
Yes, critics hating movies absolutely kills their box office takings, that's why Adam Sandler movies never make any- OH SHIT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 17:09:13 GMT -5
Seriously, apart from the Depp-fatigue, apart from the whitewashing, apart from the negative press-I don't think audiences care about an old character like the Lone Ranger. It was a similar deal with John Carter, a lot of problems around it but at the core not enough people care about an old character. You think they would have learned their lesson with The Shadow back in the 90's. Ok, I'm thinking I'm gonna enjoy THE LONE RANGER now. Because I loved - LOVED - JOHN CARTER (currently reading the books - love 'em). I loved THE SHADOW. And THE PHANTOM. That pulp era is tricky - enjoyable as all hell, but not sure vast mainstream audiences would give even half a sh*t. While I'd love to see a new DICK TRACY or BUCK ROGERS, I fear they'd suffer because the kind of film-making that needs to bring them to life....something older, not as flashy & new....is not really around anymore. ......this is why comic books exist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2013 17:11:12 GMT -5
Michael Bay knows how they feel, they said Transformers sucked and he never made any money cause of it
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 6, 2013 17:26:36 GMT -5
Something that also made me think: who the **** is Armie Hammer to be complaining about this kind of thing? Isn't this, like, his 2nd big movie (he played Leo's guy-pal in J.EDGAR)? And even though he played the Lone Ranger, he was hardly the perceived lead...... Just be happy Arm & Hammer hasn't sued you yet, dude. Meanwhile, I picture Depp sitting in France sipping on wine sitting atop piles of money, dead hookers and 40 Tim Burton scripts as he speaks in some accent that's not really his..... Armie's great-grandfather was on the board of directors for the company that made Arm&Hammer. The product had been around before he was born, but still Armie has ties to the company that makes it, doubt they will sue.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 6, 2013 17:34:28 GMT -5
Michael Bay knows how they feel, they said Transformers sucked and he never made any money cause of it I recently saw Transformers about two weeks ago... the critics were right.
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