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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 11, 2013 20:55:49 GMT -5
TNA is still struggling to draw people into the building. A number of their tv tapings this year had underachieving attendance even with them advertising Hogan, Hardy, Angle, and Sting. This last one from Texas was particularly bad. Never mind the house shows. Even with the heavy hitters name on the marquee isn't getting the job done. Plus they can't return back to Studio 24. Universal already rented it out. The demand domestically was not there for TNA to take the show on the road. And they are finding out about that harsh truth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 20:56:34 GMT -5
How do we know he's actually drawing anything? Hogan has been a huge magnet for ridicule ever since 2005. As many people who are attracted to TNA because of Hogan, there's an equal number of people who write TNA off and don't even bother because of Hogan. Well lets look at it logically: Pre Hogan TV Taping attendeance: When on the road baout 1500- 2000 paid give or take Post Hogan TNA numbers for TV About 3500-4000. Pay Per Views draw more. Now apart from Hogan, Sting, Angle and Hardy who do you think a majority of the fans are coming out for? Why do Hogan and Sting get the biggest pops on the show by far? In terms of merchandising, licensing, getting into new area's with the TV Show, Being able to advertise in new area's Hulk is golden for them. Someone like AJ Styles (As talented as he is) cannot be an instant recognizable name on your local radio show and talk you into coming to the show. With Hulk Hogan, you have someone who can. You then throw in all the money he makes for TNA and you've definitely got a good investment. And nobody except internet fans are turned off by Hulk and TNA has them hooked already with Aries, Daniels, Joe, Styles etc. Before you continue with these numbers, if you can even substantiate them: how much money does Hogan get paid? How much does he make for them, by comparison? Does TNA even make money on its road tapings, with Hogan included? Sustaining Hogan's TV time gets in the way of promoting other talent. At the end of the day, everything revolves around Hogan. The largest concern is not so much that he can't draw (in terms of merch, tix, ratings), it's that he's not really worth the effort that it takes to use him.
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Post by SOR on Aug 11, 2013 22:02:21 GMT -5
Well lets look at it logically: Pre Hogan TV Taping attendeance: When on the road baout 1500- 2000 paid give or take Post Hogan TNA numbers for TV About 3500-4000. Pay Per Views draw more. Now apart from Hogan, Sting, Angle and Hardy who do you think a majority of the fans are coming out for? Why do Hogan and Sting get the biggest pops on the show by far? In terms of merchandising, licensing, getting into new area's with the TV Show, Being able to advertise in new area's Hulk is golden for them. Someone like AJ Styles (As talented as he is) cannot be an instant recognizable name on your local radio show and talk you into coming to the show. With Hulk Hogan, you have someone who can. You then throw in all the money he makes for TNA and you've definitely got a good investment. And nobody except internet fans are turned off by Hulk and TNA has them hooked already with Aries, Daniels, Joe, Styles etc. Before you continue with these numbers, if you can even substantiate them: how much money does Hogan get paid? How much does he make for them, by comparison? Does TNA even make money on its road tapings, with Hogan included? Sustaining Hogan's TV time gets in the way of promoting other talent. At the end of the day, everything revolves around Hogan. The largest concern is not so much that he can't draw (in terms of merch, tix, ratings), it's that he's not really worth the effort that it takes to use him. Hulk makes 30,000 dollars a week if you listen to the internet so he would make a yearly wage of 1.4 million dollars and some change (To the tune of about 40,000 dollars) I feel this number is accurate so we'll say he makes 1.4 million a year (For argument sake) TNA doesn't pay all of this 30,000 dollars a week I would assume Spike pays 10-15 thousand a week to pay Hulk. Lets say they pay 10,000 a week and TNA actually spends 960,000 a year on Hulk. First the main stuff he's involved in. Licensing. I don't know what he'd be making but each time someone wants to dip into the Hulk Hogan piece of pie TNA gets a cut of what Hulk gets. Lets say he's making a million dollars a year in licensing this would be a low ball figure because apparently Flair makes around the same. TNA is entitled to 10-20% as the "Agent" of any money that comes in from 2010-2013 from licensing or whatever. In 2011 Hulk did a video game, TNA would of got 10-20% of whatever Hulk got from that and I assume they paid Hulk quite a pretty penny for it. From licensing etc alone lets say TNA makes 200k a year from it (Again a low figure) then we go into commercials. If an international TV Channel wants Hulk Hogan to stand in front of a green screen and say "HEY FANS IN (X Country) WATCH TNA ON SATURDAY NIGHTS ONLY ON (Insert Channel) they have to pay for that. Lets assume we're looking at 5k per commercial (Again a low figure) with TNA airing in 61 countries if even 30 of those international tv stations do it TNA would be walking away with 15,000 dollars for advertising their own company. Then another one, personal appearances. If an independent wrestling promoter wants to have Hulk turn up and sign autographs TNA gets an agency fee. So if Hulk makes 30k to go hang out for a few hours at an indy show TNA is making money for nothing. Throw in TV appearances and this would be a big one for them. Lets say Hulk does 10 of these a year TNA would probably pocket 30,000 a year from it. Now onto the actual TNA work he does. Lets say Hulk appears for TNA at 4 signings this year (For the major PPV's) TNA charges about a hundred bucks for an autograph and photo for Hulk. He can get 200-300 in line for that. That's 20-30 thousand right there, 4 times a year that's 120,000 dollars If we go onto attendance lets say Hogan by himself draws 500 fans a fortnight to an Impact taping (Again, Not unrealistic) Lets say all the Hogan fans sit in the cheap seats and pay their 25 dollars. That's 25,000 dollars a month and 300,000 dollars a year right into TNA's pockets. Throw in the 4 PPV's and that's another 100k or so. Right into TNA's pocket. This isn't even including where TNA draws past 3000-4000 in places like England or when Hulk appears on House Shows (Like in England) At 25 bucks for a T-Shirt lets low ball the figure and say he sells five thousand T-Shirts in a year (Which again, is pretty low) at that price he's making the company another 125,000. Throw in the Bandana's, Action Figures, Dog Tags, Photo's, Costumes etc and you can probably add another 50,000 on top. As the figures currently stand this breaks TNA about even. This isn't including DVD's they sell because Hulk is on the cover, TV deals they may get thanks to Hulk, Xplosion commercials (Back in 2010 Hulk did the Xplosion commercials here in Australia) or anything else that Hulk may earn TNA. You then throw in all the perks of having Hogan on board such as free advertising, increased sponsorship, legitimacy and a bunch of other things and you really have to question who outside of Hogan is doing more for TNA then him. I know people are going to debate these numbers but I've decreased them massively in an attempt to make everyone happy. As for the response to the rest of your post. Does TNA make money on it's tapings? Honestly, the actual show attendance wise probably not. What people don't realize is that TNA gets paid to provide programming for the other 60 countries outside the United States and Television Stations pay a lot of money for programming. They also make money off Xplosion which is filmed before Impact. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say TNA probably breaks even when they do Impact.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 11, 2013 22:12:42 GMT -5
So.......contract expiring, huh? I heard about it in the Youtube comments so it has to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 22:15:42 GMT -5
You act like, SOR, that TNA was a nothing promotion before Hulk Hogan graced them with his presence. TNA had a number of international tv clearance before Hogan. They did big business in the UK before Hogan. They sold merchadise before Hogan (Jeff Hardy is still the top cash cow in the promotion). I'm not denying Hulk still has name value (nowhere near where it was a decade ago) but let's not act like he's the savior of TNA. If Hulkster left the company tomorrow, they will keep on trucking without skipping a beat. And how old that interview was that Bischoff did on that hack podcast? About 4 years old? How about some recent updates from Eric since everything is peachy? I rather see some hard numbers instead of someone saying "Everything is all right. Pay no attention to what you heard.". I don't even care what the numbers that Bischoff sited are, there is no way that I'm trusting the numbers that a guy that's involved in the company produces unless it's publicly traded and easily researchable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 22:39:48 GMT -5
What font do you guys think the contract is in? Is it in 12pt Times New Roman? Or maybe Dixie likes to spice things up, maybe a little veranda action?
TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT! MORE!
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 12, 2013 7:58:03 GMT -5
What font do you guys think the contract is in? Is it in 12pt Times New Roman? Or maybe Dixie likes to spice things up, maybe a little veranda action? TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT! MORE! Comic Sans is the preferred font for TNA contracts.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 12, 2013 8:01:22 GMT -5
You act like, SOR, that TNA was a nothing promotion before Hulk Hogan graced them with his presence. TNA had a number of international tv clearance before Hogan. They did big business in the UK before Hogan. They sold merchadise before Hogan (Jeff Hardy is still the top cash cow in the promotion). I'm not denying Hulk still has name value (nowhere near where it was a decade ago) but let's not act like he's the savior of TNA. If Hulkster left the company tomorrow, they will keep on trucking without skipping a beat. And how old that interview was that Bischoff did on that hack podcast? About 4 years old? How about some recent updates from Eric since everything is peachy? I rather see some hard numbers instead of someone saying "Everything is all right. Pay no attention to what you heard.". I don't even care what the numbers that Bischoff sited are, there is no way that I'm trusting the numbers that a guy that's involved in the company produces unless it's publicly traded and easily researchable. Are you saying Bischoff would lie and make up numbers to suit his purposes? No way would he do something like that.
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Post by dav on Aug 12, 2013 8:21:38 GMT -5
What's to debate? You've basically admitted you've made all those numbers up. You have no concrete proof to say that Hogan's worth the amount put into him so you're pulling stuff out of thing air. You want to say Hogan pulls in 500 fans a fortnight? Prove it with actual evidence and not blind guesswork. I could just do the same as you and say Hogan's driven away 600 fans a fortnight going by internet comments and and TNA's stalling ratings. If you're going to make an assertion, then offer some evidence towards it rather than making stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 12:00:16 GMT -5
If Hogan left TNA I might actually a full TNA episode for the first time in 5 years. Anyways today I learned 70-80% of the world hate black people, sympathize with Nazi's, think women belong in the kitchen, gays should be publically killed, etc.
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 12, 2013 12:38:52 GMT -5
Not bothering to make a new thread for this, so I'll just stick it in here - for non-UK countries only, here's an interview (and other stuff) Mickie did with WrestleTalk TV in the UK that aired here last night.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 12, 2013 13:33:42 GMT -5
Not bothering to make a new thread for this, so I'll just stick it in here - for non-UK countries only, here's an interview (and other stuff) Mickie did with WrestleTalk TV in the UK that aired here last night. TL;DR for those of us who can't spare 25 minutes?
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 12, 2013 13:56:13 GMT -5
Not bothering to make a new thread for this, so I'll just stick it in here - for non-UK countries only, here's an interview (and other stuff) Mickie did with WrestleTalk TV in the UK that aired here last night. TL;DR for those of us who can't spare 25 minutes? Nothing to do with a contract situation, as it turns out - she talked about being in developmental for a few years, the Trish feud, being let go, coming to TNA, what it's like to work with Dixie, and a bit about the cage match with Tara. Oddly nothing about the current heel run, even though this was recorded about a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by BigBadZ on Aug 12, 2013 14:23:33 GMT -5
What's to debate? You've basically admitted you've made all those numbers up. You have no concrete proof to say that Hogan's worth the amount put into him so you're pulling stuff out of thing air. You want to say Hogan pulls in 500 fans a fortnight? Prove it with actual evidence and not blind guesswork. I could just do the same as you and say Hogan's driven away 600 fans a fortnight going by internet comments and and TNA's stalling ratings. If you're going to make an assertion, then offer some evidence towards it rather than making stuff up. Made up? HEH? Well it is quite obvious you didn't read the entire post. It's too long to type out from my phone but I have a full math equation to prove those figures are 141 2/3% accurate.
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