|
Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 9, 2013 19:13:03 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by celticjobber on Aug 9, 2013 19:17:42 GMT -5
Here's Bryan Alvarez's response to that article, from F4W/Wrestling Observer's daily news update:
"What's funny is that we get the viewership breakdowns for every single show, and the most you can get to if you presume that every single viewer only watches one show (meaning Raw viewers ONLY watch Raw, Smackdown viewers ONLY watch Smackdown, Total Divas viewers ONLY watch Total Divas, zero crossover whatsoever), the best you can get to is 11 million.
It appears what WWE did was claim that each hour of Raw consisted of totally different viewers, meaning anyone who watched hour one ONLY watched hour one, hour two viewers ONLY watched hour two, etc. Even then you can't quite hit 20 million.
The actual viewership for the shows this week was 4.18 million for Raw, 900,000 for Main Event, 1.53 million for Total Divas, 2.75 million for Smackdown and 1.92 million for the WrestleMania special on ABC, and of those 11 million, again, you have to presume that there was ZERO overlap between shows."
|
|
|
Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 9, 2013 19:24:07 GMT -5
I thought the 4 million was an average, not a peak. Hence it can be more than just 4 million
|
|
SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
Posts: 5,770
|
Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 9, 2013 22:36:08 GMT -5
What a complete load of bullshit.
That said, if it was true, which it is not, WWE would be the biggest failure as a turnover business ever. That would mean that since this is domestic U.S. ratings, that not even 1% of their "unique viewers" are paying for their product. Not even 1%. 99% of their entire viewing fanbase can't be bothered.
It'd be the equivalent of a company bragging that millions and millions of people saw their commercial on the Super Bowl, yet no one buys the product they're selling at all.
Luckily, for WWE, the real number is about 4 times lower than that. So the stink of epic fail on what was intended to be a bragging point is somewhat negated.
|
|
SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
Posts: 5,770
|
Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 9, 2013 22:38:35 GMT -5
On a side note, I'm going to start applying WWE math to my life from now on.
Every time I see a friend, I'm going to count him as a new friend. So if I see my friend Jay seven times next week, that's 7 new people I'm friends with. By the end of the year I'll have more friends than MySpace Tom in 2005.
|
|
BigWill
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Posts: 16,619
|
Post by BigWill on Aug 9, 2013 22:39:56 GMT -5
Either the people within the WWE are complete morons, or they think that we are.
|
|
|
Post by mcmahonfan85 on Aug 10, 2013 16:06:45 GMT -5
|
|
Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
Posts: 23,586
Member is Online
|
Post by Bo Rida on Aug 10, 2013 16:21:18 GMT -5
It would be interesting to hear the genuine answer to that question especially when you include international figures. (Of course that would be near impossible)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 16:28:40 GMT -5
On a side note, I'm going to start applying WWE math to my life from now on. Every time I see a friend, I'm going to count him as a new friend. So if I see my friend Jay seven times next week, that's 7 new people I'm friends with. By the end of the year I'll have more friends than MySpace Tom in 2005. What a dick Myspace Tom was in 2005, I'd see that I had a new message and would hope that it was from one of my hot chick friends and it was that mofo.
|
|
|
Post by Bone Daddy on Aug 10, 2013 16:37:51 GMT -5
Great. Another made-up excuse for WWE made by WWE to keep spewing this horse manure they call a product. They make up these fake statistics to boost their ego and justify keeping the product the same, probably appeasing Vince in the process. Here's an example of one of those Did You Know? facts: " More people attend WWE shows and events than NFL & MLB games combined" or something like that. OF COURSE THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE WWE DOES MORE EVENTS THAN MOST SPORTS COMBINED. THEY HAVE SHOWS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR COMPARED TO SPORTS SEASONS OF 3-6 MONTHS. Wait, now your math is crazy. MLB has like, 12 games a day for 1/4 of the year. That's way more than 365 dates
|
|
Idiot
AC Slater
Posts: 132
|
Post by Idiot on Aug 10, 2013 16:59:29 GMT -5
Here's Bryan Alvarez's response to that article, from F4W/Wrestling Observer's daily news update: "What's funny is that we get the viewership breakdowns for every single show, and the most you can get to if you presume that every single viewer only watches one show (meaning Raw viewers ONLY watch Raw, Smackdown viewers ONLY watch Smackdown, Total Divas viewers ONLY watch Total Divas, zero crossover whatsoever), the best you can get to is 11 million. It appears what WWE did was claim that each hour of Raw consisted of totally different viewers, meaning anyone who watched hour one ONLY watched hour one, hour two viewers ONLY watched hour two, etc. Even then you can't quite hit 20 million. The actual viewership for the shows this week was 4.18 million for Raw, 900,000 for Main Event, 1.53 million for Total Divas, 2.75 million for Smackdown and 1.92 million for the WrestleMania special on ABC, and of those 11 million, again, you have to presume that there was ZERO overlap between shows." Who do you think has the better numbers, Alvarez or WWE? I know Mark Madden's full of shit a lot of the time, but something he mentioned was that WCW got demographic information by the minute not the quarter hour average, that kind of information could backup what WWE is saying. 4 million people watched Raw this week. However, that does not mean the same 4 million people that started watching the show were the same 4 million that were watching when it finished. Some will have tuned out, others will have tuned in. It's plausible that WWE was watched by 20,000,000 people last week. I'm certainly going to trust WWE's numbers over Alvarez's maths.
|
|
|
Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 10, 2013 17:02:23 GMT -5
On a side note, I'm going to start applying WWE math to my life from now on. Every time I see a friend, I'm going to count him as a new friend. So if I see my friend Jay seven times next week, that's 7 new people I'm friends with. By the end of the year I'll have more friends than MySpace Tom in 2005. Don't forget to tell everyone about how many friends you've gotten every half an hour.
|
|
ToyfareMark
Vegeta
A WINNER IS YOU!
In Hutch I trust!
Posts: 9,612
|
Post by ToyfareMark on Aug 10, 2013 17:13:06 GMT -5
They once had 33 million viewers for one match. That negates all of this.
|
|
|
Post by celticjobber on Aug 10, 2013 17:30:56 GMT -5
Who do you think has the better numbers, Alvarez or WWE? I know Mark Madden's full of shit a lot of the time, but something he mentioned was that WCW got demographic information by the minute not the quarter hour average, that kind of information could backup what WWE is saying. 4 million people watched Raw this week. However, that does not mean the same 4 million people that started watching the show were the same 4 million that were watching when it finished. Some will have tuned out, others will have tuned in. It's plausible that WWE was watched by 20,000,000 people last week. I'm certainly going to trust WWE's numbers over Alvarez's maths. I would always trust even a semi-competent journalist over a multi-million dollar corporation with roots in the carny circuit, that has a well-known reputation for fudging numbers. But Bryan later put up a clarification that explains how WWE came up with those numbers: "According to WWE, the claim in Variety that their programming reached a milestone 20 million unique viewers this week was a legitimate number cited by Nielsen, the company which monitors television ratings. WWE noted that the numbers cited in the daily update today (4.18 million viewers for Raw, 0.9 million for Main Event, 1.53 million for Total Divas, 2.75 million for Smackdown and 1.92 million for the NBC WrestleMania special for a total of 11.28 million) were all accurate, but those were average viewership numbers for any given one minute period of a show. In other words, on average at any given time during Raw Monday, 4.18 million people were watching the show. However, on Wednesday Nielsen provides WWE with the total number of unique viewers for the program. Anyone who watched Raw for as little as six minutes on Monday night is counted in this number. This past Monday (and the Raw number includes Monday's Raw plus AM Raw, although the AM Raw number doesn't add much to total uniques, which actually is a pretty interesting stat), the total number of unique viewers for Raw was 8 million. Smackdown's reported 2.75 million viewers was the average number of viewers at any moment during the show, but according to Nielsen the total number of unique viewers for Smackdown last Friday was 4.3 million. It was noted that all of the Total Divas replays (there were 15 airings total) were counted, so anyone who tuned in for as little as six minutes during any of those 15 airings counted as a unique viewer as well. WWE also noted that they didn't take the total unique viewers for each show and just add them all together because that would presume every show had its own completely unique audience with no overlap. Instead, the company asked Nielsen to provide the total number of unique viewers for all the shows listed, and the number they were given was 20 million. It was noted that if they had simply added all the uniques together presuming no overlap, that the number would have been significantly higher than 20 million. "
|
|
SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
Posts: 5,770
|
Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 10, 2013 17:40:29 GMT -5
Who do you think has the better numbers, Alvarez or WWE? I know Mark Madden's full of shit a lot of the time, but something he mentioned was that WCW got demographic information by the minute not the quarter hour average, that kind of information could backup what WWE is saying. 4 million people watched Raw this week. However, that does not mean the same 4 million people that started watching the show were the same 4 million that were watching when it finished. Some will have tuned out, others will have tuned in. It's plausible that WWE was watched by 20,000,000 people last week. I'm certainly going to trust WWE's numbers over Alvarez's maths. I would always trust even a semi-competent journalist over a multi-million dollar corporation with roots in the carny circuit, that has a well-known reputation for fudging numbers. But Bryan later put up a clarification that explains how WWE came up with those numbers: "According to WWE, the claim in Variety that their programming reached a milestone 20 million unique viewers this week was a legitimate number cited by Nielsen, the company which monitors television ratings. WWE noted that the numbers cited in the daily update today (4.18 million viewers for Raw, 0.9 million for Main Event, 1.53 million for Total Divas, 2.75 million for Smackdown and 1.92 million for the NBC WrestleMania special for a total of 11.28 million) were all accurate, but those were average viewership numbers for any given one minute period of a show. In other words, on average at any given time during Raw Monday, 4.18 million people were watching the show. However, on Wednesday Nielsen provides WWE with the total number of unique viewers for the program. Anyone who watched Raw for as little as six minutes on Monday night is counted in this number. This past Monday (and the Raw number includes Monday's Raw plus AM Raw, although the AM Raw number doesn't add much to total uniques, which actually is a pretty interesting stat), the total number of unique viewers for Raw was 8 million. Smackdown's reported 2.75 million viewers was the average number of viewers at any moment during the show, but according to Nielsen the total number of unique viewers for Smackdown last Friday was 4.3 million. It was noted that all of the Total Divas replays (there were 15 airings total) were counted, so anyone who tuned in for as little as six minutes during any of those 15 airings counted as a unique viewer as well. WWE also noted that they didn't take the total unique viewers for each show and just add them all together because that would presume every show had its own completely unique audience with no overlap. Instead, the company asked Nielsen to provide the total number of unique viewers for all the shows listed, and the number they were given was 20 million. It was noted that if they had simply added all the uniques together presuming no overlap, that the number would have been significantly higher than 20 million. " McDonalds should start suggesting that anyone who walks by their restaurant, stops, considers having a hamburger for a second, but then keeps going, gets added to their billions served sign.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 21:41:09 GMT -5
I would always trust even a semi-competent journalist over a multi-million dollar corporation with roots in the carny circuit, that has a well-known reputation for fudging numbers. But Bryan later put up a clarification that explains how WWE came up with those numbers: "According to WWE, the claim in Variety that their programming reached a milestone 20 million unique viewers this week was a legitimate number cited by Nielsen, the company which monitors television ratings. WWE noted that the numbers cited in the daily update today (4.18 million viewers for Raw, 0.9 million for Main Event, 1.53 million for Total Divas, 2.75 million for Smackdown and 1.92 million for the NBC WrestleMania special for a total of 11.28 million) were all accurate, but those were average viewership numbers for any given one minute period of a show. In other words, on average at any given time during Raw Monday, 4.18 million people were watching the show. However, on Wednesday Nielsen provides WWE with the total number of unique viewers for the program. Anyone who watched Raw for as little as six minutes on Monday night is counted in this number. This past Monday (and the Raw number includes Monday's Raw plus AM Raw, although the AM Raw number doesn't add much to total uniques, which actually is a pretty interesting stat), the total number of unique viewers for Raw was 8 million. Smackdown's reported 2.75 million viewers was the average number of viewers at any moment during the show, but according to Nielsen the total number of unique viewers for Smackdown last Friday was 4.3 million. It was noted that all of the Total Divas replays (there were 15 airings total) were counted, so anyone who tuned in for as little as six minutes during any of those 15 airings counted as a unique viewer as well. WWE also noted that they didn't take the total unique viewers for each show and just add them all together because that would presume every show had its own completely unique audience with no overlap. Instead, the company asked Nielsen to provide the total number of unique viewers for all the shows listed, and the number they were given was 20 million. It was noted that if they had simply added all the uniques together presuming no overlap, that the number would have been significantly higher than 20 million. " McDonalds should start suggesting that anyone who walks by their restaurant, stops, considers having a hamburger for a second, but then keeps going, gets added to their billions served sign. And if you do eat there, not only does each burger you eat count, but also each individual french fry.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 21:57:45 GMT -5
McDonalds should start suggesting that anyone who walks by their restaurant, stops, considers having a hamburger for a second, but then keeps going, gets added to their billions served sign. And if you do eat there, not only does each burger you eat count, but also each individual french fry. They also count each Oreo used in your McFlurry.
|
|
ToyfareMark
Vegeta
A WINNER IS YOU!
In Hutch I trust!
Posts: 9,612
|
Post by ToyfareMark on Aug 10, 2013 22:27:16 GMT -5
Of course the Nielsen standard is unreliable to begin with. Ooooh, we have 10,000 households representing 110,000,000. Yeah thats accurate. And those diaries they send out aren't any better. You can easily lie on those, which I have. With social media why do advertisers even have a need for Nielsen anymore? An obviously flawed, and archaic system.
|
|
CM Dazz
King Koopa
Chuck
Posts: 10,475
|
Post by CM Dazz on Aug 10, 2013 22:32:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most, if not all, businesses do this...
|
|
paywindah
Dennis Stamp
He's goin' to da paywindah here on da muddaship TBS.
Posts: 3,678
|
Post by paywindah on Aug 10, 2013 22:50:27 GMT -5
What a complete load of bullshit. That said, if it was true, which it is not, WWE would be the biggest failure as a turnover business ever. That would mean that since this is domestic U.S. ratings, that not even 1% of their "unique viewers" are paying for their product. Not even 1%. 99% of their entire viewing fanbase can't be bothered. It'd be the equivalent of a company bragging that millions and millions of people saw their commercial on the Super Bowl, yet no one buys the product they're selling at all. PPV is a pretty small part of their overall revenue. They make their $ from TV and content deals and to a lesser extent, live events and merch.
|
|