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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Aug 11, 2013 19:22:49 GMT -5
First of all, we know this would never happen. WWE wouldn't want to risk any income by taking time off. That being said, as a fan I think it would be great for the product. Give the wrestlers, writers and other staff time off to rest. It'd also give fans time to y'know, miss the product. I'm so inundated with wrestling at the moment that I tend to just have it on in the background and only halfway pay attention. It's a real shame, because I think there's some great stuff going on right now. So what I'm basically asking is, if WWE were to take some time off, what time of the year would it be and for how long? Would they show "classic" material in their normal timeslots? Or would they just let USA air 3 hours of NCIS?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:25:35 GMT -5
All they need to do is have two rosters, one that runs from Jan-Sept and another that runs from Aug-April or something, so that the rosters overlap for all of the big shows and everyone still gets 3 months off and it would work, but what do I know?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:36:42 GMT -5
I think they could stay on TV during the "off season", just not do house shows for a few months, whatever the slowest time of year is. Of course, they'd still have to keep their road crew on salary through those months, so it would make things less profitable in the short-run.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 11, 2013 19:38:34 GMT -5
All they need to do is have two rosters, one that runs from Jan-Sept and another that runs from Aug-April or something, so that the rosters overlap for all of the big shows and everyone still gets 3 months off and it would work, but what do I know? This right here is a pretty smart idea. It makes every roster member special in a way too. As you'll only see them X amount of time out of the year or certain months.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 11, 2013 19:59:01 GMT -5
I like the 3-month-off idea, although I don't know how much the wrestlers themselves would like giving up 3 months of salary like that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 11, 2013 20:35:48 GMT -5
I think they could stay on TV during the "off season", just not do house shows for a few months, whatever the slowest time of year is. Of course, they'd still have to keep their road crew on salary through those months, so it would make things less profitable in the short-run. I agree. Imo that period should be November and December, with business "picking up" for WrestleMania season. Also, WWE should get EVERYONE on their roster over so that a handful of talents can take time off when needed without people worrying about how adversely it will affect the product. I've noticed that when top talents are taking time off, instead of calling upon their underutilized talents to help fill the voids, WWE will just stretch out the remaining main eventers' TV time, overworking them even more. This was most evident with them having Daniel Bryan work multiple matches in a single RAW on more than one occasion, along with having SIX wrestlers pull double duty at this year's Royal Rumble. WWE needs to rely on the entire roster, not just half of it. The casual fan should want to see Zack Ryder, Ted DiBiase, Yoshi Tatsu, or Alex Riley just as much as they want to see John Cena, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk or The Miz.
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Post by RIHT on Aug 11, 2013 20:45:51 GMT -5
Remember when Wembeldon or some sort of tennis tournament aired during Raw's slot in the 90s and WWE had that commercial with Undertaker and Kane playing tennis with DX?
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 11, 2013 20:52:50 GMT -5
I can't say whether an "off season" would be good or not in business terms(though I think it wouldn't) but I can say that I would love the idea of there being one if only because the knowledge of an ending would force the writers to be working toward something. One thing I seriously hated about last Wrestlemania was that it didn't feel like a "Season Finale" at all. I really wish they tried to have everything feel like it was settled at Wrestlemania instead of having everyone just go "Okay forget what happened at Wrestlemania, let's keep feuding!"
This sort of going-out-with-a-whimper-instead-of-a-bang thing feuds seem to have kind of annoys me and an off-season would force them to fix that.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 11, 2013 21:11:01 GMT -5
All they need to do is have two rosters, one that runs from Jan-Sept and another that runs from Aug-April or something, so that the rosters overlap for all of the big shows and everyone still gets 3 months off and it would work, but what do I know? I agree in principle, but a huge hindrance to that would be WWE's business model. I'd love to see it because so many of the health risks involved with pro wrestling are mostly exacerbated by the traveling rodeo lifestyle these guys and gals have to lead, but the way wrestling has been run for so long would be a major problem. WWE, like plenty of other wrestling companies, really offers no security when it comes to a guy's position on a card in a show. That being the case, if you told a lot of midcarders "you're off the road from April through July", a lot of those wrestlers would do something really against their own long-term interests: beg to not have time off. It's absurd, it's scary, and it's dangerous, but in wrestling the general feeling is "if I'm not being seen, I won't be over, and I won't move up the card and make more money". The smart decision would be to think "this is an arduous, tiring job, I'm tired, I'm lonely, I miss my family, I should have a legitimate home for a few months of the year and see my family", but in the cutthroat world of wrestling, I'm not sure a lot of people would see it that way. Of course, WWE would avoid doing it in the first place because it has no financial impetus to do something so positive for its workers, but the whole backstage psychology of the industry would also be a major obstacle.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Aug 11, 2013 21:33:11 GMT -5
Remember when Wembeldon or some sort of tennis tournament aired during Raw's slot in the 90s and WWE had that commercial with Undertaker and Kane playing tennis with DX? pics or it didn't happen
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 11, 2013 21:34:52 GMT -5
Remember when Wembeldon or some sort of tennis tournament aired during Raw's slot in the 90s and WWE had that commercial with Undertaker and Kane playing tennis with DX? pics or it didn't happen I had never heard of this before, but there is a video! www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuQOBUNlA7s
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 21:39:23 GMT -5
All they need to do is have two rosters, one that runs from Jan-Sept and another that runs from Aug-April or something, so that the rosters overlap for all of the big shows and everyone still gets 3 months off and it would work, but what do I know? I think the "part timers" are slowly establishing a model that allows guys a little more leeway to take time off and recharge their batters. I think you run into problems if you leave it as cut and dry as "this is the roster for this time, and this is the roster for that time", problems like, if this rise of Daniel Bryan were occurring, then at the end of July his time was up it would really kill his momentum. I think eventually we'll reach a place where guys will have to put in the hours unless they can establish themselves as a commodity to the WWE, then ask for time off if the timing is right. I don't think they'll ever reach a true "off season" where everyone gets a break. There are just too many intangibles, as I mentioned, planned breaks could really stunt momentum for an act that is hot and needs to be capitalized. Also if guys like Wade Barrett or Drew McIntyre are subject to time off I'm willing to bet they'll just wind up fired before they come back. There are guys like Dolph and Kofi who while they aren't exactly WWE's go-to guys, I'm confident WWE could take them off TV for 6 months and be able to build them back into the circulation when their time's up. While on paper the idea of an off season sounds great, especially if you can integrate it without actually sacrificing TV content, but if it were to come to fruition I don't think all wrestlers would want it (admittedly though perhaps some against their better judgement), and I think fans would find it frustrating too in certain instances if it's adhered to with complete discipline. I think there's a way to handle it where viewers might not even notice it's happening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 21:48:13 GMT -5
I think if they ever tried an outright break for a couple months, their ratings would completely collapse on coming back. I have to imagine that a decent chunk of people who watch kind of do so out of obligation.
Though then again, I suppose they might see some big surge out of coming back through people eager for a fix and expecting something big to happen on the first show back to kick off the new season of sorts.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Aug 11, 2013 22:31:20 GMT -5
Give them all of April off immediately after Wrestlemania, all of May off, and resume the first week of June. That gives them almost exactly 2 months to just enjoy their lives, rest up and get people excited again for the new year. During this time they can air 1-2 hour Raw Rewind episodes hosted by someone, with special interviews with talent and previews for the coming year (vignettes, new presentation, whatever). They can put together special video packages and make part of it like Confidential.
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Post by Shaun2k5 on Aug 11, 2013 22:57:22 GMT -5
All they need to do is have two rosters, one that runs from Jan-Sept and another that runs from Aug-April or something, so that the rosters overlap for all of the big shows and everyone still gets 3 months off and it would work, but what do I know? The only problem with this is that it would give fans a reason to tune out for months at a time. If people only watch to see John Cena, why would they tune in during the "off season" when they know he won't turn up. The carrot at the minute is superstars could turn up on a show without warning.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 11, 2013 22:58:28 GMT -5
or a "holiday freeze" from thanksgiving to new years? end at survivor series start the first monday of january
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 11, 2013 23:04:16 GMT -5
Probably the more reasonable form, instead of a full offseason, would be to just stack it- instead, just give vacation time [say, one month guaranteed time off to be used at your discretion- so, say, a younger guy at the top of the card like, say, a Miz could decide they want to use their time off to have a full month off TV and come back as a threat- but, say, an Alex Riley could decide having regular TV time is needed to get some momentum, so they decide to separate them out and just get to take a week off every couple months), with additional time based on seniority [so someone like, say, Big Show could get two-three months off for the same view.]
If they HAD to do a full-length offseason, the more reasonable, best way WWE could do it and keep the salaried workers going would be:
Keep a bare-bones Raw- promos from the stars, footage of the previous years, classic Raw moments, maybe some lower-card live matches.
Meanwhile, Smackdown gets fully given for the offseason to NXT's roster. They sell it as NXT, they run the shows from Full Sail, and they get a month or so to show their stuff.
This ties into the first PPV back for the beginning of the new season- where the GMs of Raw and Smackdown run the modified WWE Draft- both shows get to pick about three or four NXT wrestlers/acts for their show.
Instantly, you have: Less of a blatant cutoff for a offseason, an endgame that makes it work and gives a big debut for new stars, and a chance to rework the WWE Draft for the non-brand split era.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 11, 2013 23:18:43 GMT -5
The solution would be to just cycle wrestlers in and out. Everyone gets three months off a year, but it's not the same three months, and storylines are planned out with the performers' schedules in mind.
The real problem with this whole idea, though, is the weird "You get yourself over even though we tell you what to do," mindset in the WWE. People would suffer from being off TV, because their T-shirt sales would lag.
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Post by RIHT on Aug 11, 2013 23:42:07 GMT -5
Beat me to it. Turns out it was the US Open, not Wimbeldon. Not much of a tennis fan, but yep, this commercial happened. WWE used to be so funny. Now everything is.... "SERIOUS". They don't know how to have fun anymore. Hell, the god damn Undertaker is in a freaking humorous commercial playing tennis.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 12, 2013 0:53:23 GMT -5
They need a phased roster, where when a wrestler finishes a feud, they get three months off, paid.
That will allow them to rest, recharge, and prevent them getting oversaturated and stale.
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