Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
Posts: 15,171
|
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 2, 2013 13:20:03 GMT -5
Tom Magee, but his push died out after the Bret match. I do think the match exists and it would have been on the anti-Bret DVD. I dunno, having an anti-Bret DVD and showing a match that showcases him being so good he made Vince think someone else was the next Hogan.
|
|
|
Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 2, 2013 20:09:21 GMT -5
Has to be Erik Watts, but I still feel for the guy. Had they let him hone his craft as a masked enhancement talent or as part of a veteran/young guy tag team and given him a push a few years later he'd probably have ended up a halfway decent midcarder, given his look, size and pedigree, but the push intended to make him a star killed his career dead and made his name a byword for nepotism in wrestling. Tom Magee, but his push died out after the Bret match. I do think the match exists and it would have been on the anti-Bret DVD. I think you've gotten a little mixed up there, Magee's planned push didn't even begin until after the Bret match as that was his tryout and was what convinced Vince he was a guy who could be the next Hulk Hogan. It was a carry job no-one else on the roster could match, not really something you could use to try and bury Bret.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 21:30:54 GMT -5
Magee was treated as a pretty big deal even before he came to the WWF. He headlined a AJPW card against Riki Chosu and Meltzer praised Magee to the high heavens after the match. After the match, the company had Stu Hart begin to train him. So he was treated as a pretty big deal even before he arrived in the WWF.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 22:59:03 GMT -5
Guy has a lot of green in that outfit.
|
|
Phil Parent
El Dandy
Your Favourite Teacher
Posts: 8,508
|
Post by Phil Parent on Sept 2, 2013 23:17:21 GMT -5
Kevin Nash. He had wrestled less than an hundred matches when he won the world title.
|
|
|
Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Sept 3, 2013 18:58:29 GMT -5
What about Crimson? TNA fans out there probably have better views on this than me but I seem to recall quite a lot of people complaining about him on here.
|
|
|
Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 3, 2013 19:42:23 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Todd Pettengill on Sept 3, 2013 20:37:53 GMT -5
The Rock was very green when he started out, & he received a very strong push from the get-go.
His FIRST EVER MATCH was in the WWF.
That being said, Rock put a lot of time & effort into improving (especially his mike skills, he has always had some cringe-worthy moments in the ring).
|
|
agent817
Fry's dog Seymour
Doesn't Know Whose Ring It Is
Posts: 21,327
|
Post by agent817 on Sept 3, 2013 20:48:34 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 21:37:07 GMT -5
David Flair.
I still thing he could have been a top star if he had been allowed to learn the craft and pay his dues under a hood.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 21:47:41 GMT -5
Magee was treated as a pretty big deal even before he came to the WWF. He headlined a AJPW card against Riki Chosu and Meltzer praised Magee to the high heavens after the match. After the match, the company had Stu Hart begin to train him. So he was treated as a pretty big deal even before he arrived in the WWF. I've never heard about this (unless you guys are just joking and I don't get). What happened to the guy? Why would someone that was praised by Vince McMahon as a possible candidate for being the next Hulk freakin' Hogan after having a good showing in a try out match with the best worker in the company at that time cut loose? (Unless again, this is just some sort of inside joke that I'm not getting. )
|
|
EyeofTyr
Hank Scorpio
Strange and Mystical
Posts: 5,744
|
Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 3, 2013 22:12:15 GMT -5
Because the point was, it was all Bret's doing.
Literally that match with Bret Hart is, by all accounts, the only good match he ever had. And, Magee made Khali look like a competent and fully agile, crisp wrestler with a level of execution that's not seen by many.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 22:17:38 GMT -5
I think putting him with Terry Gibbs was a pretty bad idea, if they wanted to have him work with a good hand to learn the ropes, why not Lanny Poffo?
|
|
tms
Don Corleone
Posts: 1,901
|
Post by tms on Sept 3, 2013 22:18:00 GMT -5
David Flair. I still thing he could have been a top star if he had been allowed to learn the craft and pay his dues under a hood. If his last name wasn't Flair, do you honestly think you'd type what you just did? I'm seriously not trying to be condescending with that, either. I remember rooting for David mostly due to his expectations and thinking to myself he was just trying to be so bad "on purpose", but the kid had no coordination at all. He got a little better as time went on but it looked like a random guy in the stands could get in there without any training and be a more believable wrestler. Whether he was put in his angles as a rib on Ric or whatever is besides the point, he was a good 2-3 years away from being decent at best.
|
|
Rave
El Dandy
Perpetually Bored
Posts: 8,185
|
Post by Rave on Sept 3, 2013 22:27:34 GMT -5
David Flair makes Garett Bischoff look like Cody Rhodes in comparison. I seem to remember them eventually getting that he flat-out sucked and pulling back on him a bit in-ring before pairing him with Daffney and Crowbar, but I'm prob'ly wrong there.
Kaitlyn had her very first match on NXT, so she might count.
|
|
|
Post by dlg3000 on Sept 4, 2013 6:02:45 GMT -5
Goldberg was the first guy I thought of. Me too, but at least Goldberg was an exciting wrestler who had a following.
|
|
Toates Madhackrviper
King Koopa
Is owed an Admin life-debt.
This avatar is so far out of date I might as well stick with it forever now.
Posts: 10,725
|
Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 4, 2013 7:46:25 GMT -5
Its interesting how many of these actually worked out in the long run.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 7:54:52 GMT -5
Goldberg might not have been the greenest guy to receive a big push, but it was certainly the biggest push a green guy ever got.
|
|
|
Post by Smiley Smile on Sept 4, 2013 16:49:37 GMT -5
Magee was treated as a pretty big deal even before he came to the WWF. He headlined a AJPW card against Riki Chosu and Meltzer praised Magee to the high heavens after the match. After the match, the company had Stu Hart begin to train him. So he was treated as a pretty big deal even before he arrived in the WWF. I've never heard about this (unless you guys are just joking and I don't get). What happened to the guy? Why would someone that was praised by Vince McMahon as a possible candidate for being the next Hulk freakin' Hogan after having a good showing in a try out match with the best worker in the company at that time cut loose? (Unless again, this is just some sort of inside joke that I'm not getting. ) Tom Magee left wrestling quietly in the late '80s. Having been carried to a decent match by Bret Hart, he worked on the house show circuit with Terry Gibbs (mentioned earlier in the thread) and was said to have got progressively worse. Eventually he was just dismissed as a failed experiment, with the newly-arrived Ultimate Warrior became the company's golden boy and Magee being cut loose to go to Japan, where he had one of the worst matches of all time against Hiroshi Wajima (also mentioned) and ended up drifting out of wrestling. For an idea of just how bad this guy was, it's worth watching the handful of matches of his floating around on YouTube.
|
|
|
Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Sept 4, 2013 20:56:11 GMT -5
David Flair just did not ever want to be a wrestler. The Great Khali still hasn't improved from the guy who killed someone in the ring, and probably never will The Rock was very green when he started out, & he received a very strong push from the get-go. His FIRST EVER MATCH was in the WWF. That being said, Rock put a lot of time & effort into improving (especially his mike skills, he has always had some cringe-worthy moments in the ring). No it wasn't. He was in Lawler's promotion for a year under the name Flex Kavana before he was in the WWF.
|
|