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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 18:04:53 GMT -5
So, because it's not real life, it should be more limited than real life? Because it's not real life, you've got to be wary of how it looks when you have a character who is stated to be gay still ends up falling in love with a member of the opposite sex and yeah, in writing it's something that does warrant nuance and shit. One is affirming the status quo. One happens a lot more often because of advertisers, executives, shitty writers, etc. One is erasing the identity of a persecuted minority. In real life, it's more complicated. In writing, you've got to have nuanced reasons that make sense or else people are going to call you bullshit. If that's the case and you see that play out within the narrative, then you've got something. Personally, I think it's cheating for the creator to be all like "she was actually having her sexual awakening!" without any of that shit being supported in the script. I'm like, if that shit isn't in your canon text? If you can't cite some things within your text or movie and explain? Then it doesn't count. I shouldn't have to read some writer's bible or listen to an interview for that. PUT THAT SHIT IN YOUR BOOK/MOVIE. |
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 6, 2013 18:20:25 GMT -5
If the character is bisexual, that's fine and dandy. Use the 'b' word, and we'll actually be a lot more positive towards you, given how little representation we get. If it's a lesbian being 'converted', that's just awful, given how many men actually believe this is a real thing, and concepts like 'corrective rape' somehow still exist.
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Post by Mesousa287793 on Sept 6, 2013 18:26:07 GMT -5
So that's you being sexist then. No, it's called "equal rights". |
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 6, 2013 18:26:09 GMT -5
To be fair, it's been done before %2002.jpg) And at least it's not A Different Story level reparative:  |
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Post by Mesousa287793 on Sept 6, 2013 18:28:50 GMT -5
If the character is bisexual, that's fine and dandy. Use the 'b' word, and we'll actually be a lot more positive towards you, given how little representation we get. If it's a lesbian being 'converted', that's just awful, given how many men actually believe this is a real thing, and concepts like 'corrective rape' somehow still exist. That's what I meant. Sad, too, since many movies try the "healing gay" camp trope and they usually actually don't heal a gay character. Also, I would like to apologize for freaking out earlier. I just can't seem to control rage-inducing moments like this. My apoligies... |
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 6, 2013 18:37:36 GMT -5
When 99.9% of characters in the media are straight, changing one or two to somewhere on the LGBT spectrum is not 'preferential treatment'. Not to mention, society takes straight as the default position, so when a character reveals a different identity, it's seen as them going from being a straight character to being an LGB character, when the reality is that coming out of the closet just reveals what was there before. There are people who have had relationships with the opposite gender because they think they're meant to, only to realise that they're not interested in that sex, or they're interested in both.
Edit: Hmm, seems the post this was referring to has disappeared. Still, the point stands.
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Post by Strotha on Sept 6, 2013 19:29:42 GMT -5
I've babbled about this before but I really don't understand why bisexuality is so alien to most people. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should be bisexual, but they should at least understand the concept of someone liking both genders. I understood it before even knowing I was bi and I was never exactly the smartest guy. It just amazes me that in a world with all manner of sexual deviancies and fetishes like necrophilia and bestiality the idea of someone liking both genders is so utterly incomprehensible. It also bugs me when people think only women can be bisexual and any bi guy (IE me) is just a repressed self-hating homosexual, even though bisexuals face just as much if not more discrimination from both ends of the spectrum. Why would I say I'm bi if I'm ashamed to be gay? It's the same as admitting I've had gay feelings or experiences at some point. I've never remotely thought there was anything wrong with being gay. If I were gay I'd say I was gay.
As I said in a rant before, some people like the opposite gender, some like their own, some like both and some people are completely disinterested in sex. Sexuality isn't a black and white thing. It's very complicated, yet also so simple that it baffles me people don't understand it in at least as simple terms as those. I asked my mom what a bisexual was when I was like eight and she said "someone who likes boys and girls." Very simple.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 6, 2013 20:05:07 GMT -5
So is this movie about Vin Diesel converting lesbians in space? Man they are reaching with the plots nowadays.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Sept 6, 2013 20:10:37 GMT -5
MORE RIDDICK SPOILERS {Spoiler}IT'S f***ING RUBBISH |
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 6, 2013 20:18:31 GMT -5
So that's you being sexist then. No, it's called "equal rights". Not in the context of the quote I took it from it bloody wasn't. |
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 6, 2013 20:20:43 GMT -5
No, it's called "equal rights". Not in the context of the quote I took it from it bloody wasn't. Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't the context of the quote 'whether male or female, having someone have their orientation changed to make them straight is a bad thing'? |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 6, 2013 20:27:06 GMT -5
Peoples minds change, things change, people change, hairstyles change, interest rates fluctuate. It's been so long since I found you Yet it seems like yesterday |
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 6, 2013 20:37:25 GMT -5
So is this movie about Vin Diesel converting lesbians in space? Man they are reaching with the plots nowadays. If that was the crux of the plot, it'd still be a helluva upgrade from "watch Vin Diesel see in the dark and save five schlubs from getting themselves killed for ninety minutes." |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 6, 2013 20:39:32 GMT -5
Batista tweeted a couple of days ago that ya see Katee Sackhoff boobage (his term, not mine); so there's that.
All I can contribute really.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 6, 2013 20:40:42 GMT -5
So is this movie about Vin Diesel converting lesbians in space? Man they are reaching with the plots nowadays. In my head I heard "LESBIANS IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE" ala Muppet Show. |
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Post by fw91 on Sept 6, 2013 20:40:48 GMT -5
Is this the only time in history that "Pull a Gigli" will be used to describe another movie? I think so. hell it could be applied to another Affleck film, "Chasing Amy" |
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 7, 2013 1:04:49 GMT -5
It's a movie where Riddick says "I thought I was on Furia, but it turns out I'm on another planet called 'Not Furia'"
This is the battleground you have chosen to have this war.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 7, 2013 2:40:08 GMT -5
It also bugs me when people think only women can be bisexual and any bi guy (IE me) is just a repressed self-hating homosexual, even though bisexuals face just as much if not more discrimination from both ends of the spectrum. Why would I say I'm bi if I'm ashamed to be gay? It's the same as admitting I've had gay feelings or experiences at some point. I've never remotely thought there was anything wrong with being gay. If I were gay I'd say I was gay. ." Very simple. In the minds of some gay people, we bi's are "sellouts" who aren't "doing our part" to represent THE GAY COMMUNITY?!?!. In their eyes, we only identify as bi so that we can enjoy the perks of "the gay lifestyle" while "passing" for straight in public. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 7, 2013 4:19:12 GMT -5
It's no more less fantasy than movies where annoying harpy women "domesticate" macho dudes who love their life by the end. Hollywood has never been about realistic depictions. If it was, every Rom-Com starring a Katherine Heigl/Jennifer Aniston would end with the dude super glad she's speeding to the airport and leaving town forever, because she was so f***ing bitchy, annoying and entitled.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 4:28:26 GMT -5
You know, I've been thinking about it, I want Vin Diesel to convert The Rock at the end of the next Fast and Furious. That would be a hell of a conclusion. The Rock: "FINALLY!!! THE ROCK... HAS TRIED OUT... GAY SEX!!!" Vin Diesel: You can be my Rock Bottom anytime. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THIS MUST HAPPEN |
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