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Post by chrom on Sept 21, 2015 21:11:07 GMT -5
Watching Juice Robinson, I believe he needs quite a bit of work done at The Dojo. He maybe ditching his gear soon for the plain black trunks and boots that Sho, Yohei, Finlay, and Jay wear. Doubtful since Juice is on an evaluation tour for a semi permanent spot not to train in the dojo. If Gedo and Jado thinks he can't hang, he won't come back. I'm seeing nothing from him thus far, he's in there with Shibata, Naito, and others and is sticking out like a sore thumb. He better hopes that he impresses on The Destruction shows
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 21, 2015 21:20:45 GMT -5
Doubtful since Juice is on an evaluation tour for a semi permanent spot not to train in the dojo. If Gedo and Jado thinks he can't hang, he won't come back. I'm seeing nothing from him thus far, he's in there with Shibata, Naito, and others and is sticking out like a sore thumb. He better hopes that he impresses on The Destruction shows It is more about the higher ups taking a liking to someone than a standout performance. Lance Archer didn't impress much when he came to NJPW but got Gedo and Jado's seal of approval.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 5:27:46 GMT -5
Destruction in Okayama Results: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Katsuyori Shibata,Yuji Nagata, Yohei Komatsu & Sho Tanaka def Tetsuya Naito, Manabu Nakanishi, Jay White & David Finlay
Bobby Fish & Kyle O'Reilly def Jushin Liger & Mascara Dorada
NWA Junior Heavyweight Championship: Tiger Mask def Steve Anthony(c)
Hiroshi Tanahashi & Matt Sydal def Bad Luck Fale & Tama Tonga
IWGP Tag Team Championship: Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows(c) def Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima
Shinsuke Nakamura, Tomohiro Ishii, Rocky Romero, Beretta & Yoshi-Hashi def Hirooki Goto, Tomoaki Honma, Alex Shelley, Ryusuke Taguchi & Captain New Japan
Kazuchika Okada & Toru Yano def AJ Styles & Cody Hall
IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship: Kenny Omega def Kushida(c)
NEVER Openweight Championship: Togi Makabe(c) def Kota Ibushi
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 23, 2015 7:05:13 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Totally called Tiger Mask winning the NWA junior title. Totally disappointed by Ibushi losing to Makabe and Ishii inserting himself back into the NEVER title picture instead of the IC belt. And Kusida never even got off the ground and he already lost the IWGP junior belt.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 23, 2015 7:11:02 GMT -5
And for those who care about Suzuki-Gun, they retained all of the titles at the recent NOAH show. Marufuji issued an ultimatum of someone from NOAH bringing the belts from the evil invaders before the year is over or NOAH call it quits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 7:40:29 GMT -5
And for those who care about Suzuki-Gun, they retained all of the titles at the recent NOAH show. Marufuji issued an ultimatum of someone from NOAH bringing the belts from the evil invaders before the year is over or NOAH call it quits. Is it wrong that I want Suzuki-gun to retain, put NOAH out of its misery and NJPW cherry pick the roster?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 23, 2015 7:49:09 GMT -5
And for those who care about Suzuki-Gun, they retained all of the titles at the recent NOAH show. Marufuji issued an ultimatum of someone from NOAH bringing the belts from the evil invaders before the year is over or NOAH call it quits. Is it wrong that I want Suzuki-gun to retain, put NOAH out of its misery and NJPW cherry pick the roster? Depending on some rumors I heard, you probably going to see some of NOAH's finest in NJPW regardless of the outcome.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 23, 2015 7:58:59 GMT -5
For someone that's still getting their feet wet with New Japan, is there a schedule of their shows available anywhere so I can know when the bigger shows happen?
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Post by berlynwright on Sept 23, 2015 8:48:08 GMT -5
For someone that's still getting their feet wet with New Japan, is there a schedule of their shows available anywhere so I can know when the bigger shows happen? Jan 4 - Wrestle Kingdom is their biggest show / Wrestlemania equivalent held at Tokyo Dome Mid-Feb - New Beginning Mid-Mar - New Japan Cup (winner challenges for Any of three main titles, World/IC/NEVER) Start-Apr - Invasion Attack (One of their biggest shows) End-May - Wrestling Dontaku Mid-June - Best of Super Juniors Final (2 weeks long tournament for Jr.Heavyweight guys with two block, winner of each block face each other in the final) End-June/Start-July - Dominion (Their summerslam - biggest show of the summer) Mid-Aug - G1 Climax Final (3 weeks long tournament for Heavyweight guys with two block, winner of each block face each other in the final) End-Sept - Destruction Mid-Oct - King of Pro Wrestling (Biggest show of Fall, usually headlined by crazy good matches) Mid-Nov - Power Struggle (Usually build up matches for Wrestle Kingdom) Mid-Dec - G1 Tag League Final (Same as G1 but for tag teams) So for this year, below is the schedule for their PPVs Sept 23 - Destruction in Okayama Sept 27 - Destruction in Kobe (Headlined by Shinsuke Nakamura vs Hirooki Goto for IC title) Oct 12 - King Of Pro Wrestling (Headlined by Kazuchika Okada vs A.J.Styles for IWGP World Title) Nov 7 - Power Struggle Dec 9 - G1 Tag League Final In between the big shows, they have several road-to shows, which are glorified house shows with slew of multi-man tag matches. But sometimes you come across some kickass matches (like the BC vs Chaos 10 man tag match before dominion). You can also see some good character development during those Road to shows (like Naito etc).
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Post by berlynwright on Sept 23, 2015 8:50:10 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Well, i was NOT expecting KUSHIDA to lose his title so soon when it looked like they were building up him to be the face of the Juniors Division.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 10:07:15 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Well, i was NOT expecting KUSHIDA to lose his title so soon when it looked like they were building up him to be the face of the Juniors Division. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It really makes me wonder why they're doing with him at the dome. I don't really need to see another match against Omega so soon and I really hope he's not in a three or four way cluster tag match again. Perhaps NJPW is bringing in an outside junior tag team and they want Kushida and Shelley facing them. But I'm really just trying to find a silver lining, I'd rather they kept the belt on Kushida. Is it wrong that I want Suzuki-gun to retain, put NOAH out of its misery and NJPW cherry pick the roster? Depending on some rumors I heard, you probably going to see some of NOAH's finest in NJPW regardless of the outcome. Which rumors?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 23, 2015 11:45:14 GMT -5
Depending on some rumors I heard, you probably going to see some of NOAH's finest in NJPW regardless of the outcome. Which rumors? Taiji Ishimori announced he is leaving NOAH at the end of the year and seen some message board chatter on puroresu boards of NOAH and NJPW continuing their talent exchange into 2016 with some of the higher profile names working NJPW's bigger shows and NJPW sending some of their folks to NOAH to shore up their roster. Still waiting for that guy who broke news of KENTA to WWE among other big puroresu news to confirm it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 23, 2015 13:47:04 GMT -5
NJPW Destruction in Okayama September 23rd, 2015 | Momotaro Arena in Okayama, Japan | Attendance: 3,160
This morning, New Japan Pro Wrestling held Destruction in Okayama. I didn't catch it live but watched it once i woke up this morning.
Katsuyori Shibata, Yuji Nagata, Sho Tanaka and Yohei Komatsu def. Tetsuya Naito, David Finlay, Jay White and Manabu Nakanishi in 7:47 While I've been watching a fair amount of New Japan this year, I haven't seen much of the young lions, but I have liked what I've been able to check out. The main focus during this match was the rivalry between Shibata and Naito, who will wrestle on Sunday at Destruction in Kobe. I have really loved their interactions during the "Road to Destruction" and did so here again. Naito was the last guy out for his team, while Shibata was first out for his guys, which is perfect for their personalities. The match featured a fair amount of fun back and forth, while Naito and Shibata were very aggressive with one another. Nagata got the win for his team when Naito refused to tag in and then chose to watch the pinfall rather than help. This was a blast and built towards Shibata/Naito more, meaning the match did it's job. ***¼
reDRagon def. Jushin Thunder Liger and Mascara Dorada in 8:31 I've gone on record to state that I firmly believe reDRagon is the best tag team in pro wrestling, so I always look forward to seeing them. Liger is always fun to watch as well, though I again admit I haven't seen much of Dorada. He did well here, including a really sweet dive to the outside. I feel like this worked more as a tuneup of sorts with reDRagon having a bigger title defense at Destruction in Kobe. This was fine, and reDRagon won with Chasing the Dragon in a decent match. **½
NWA World Junior Championship: Tiger Mask def. Steve Anthony (c) in 10:10 This would be the last match of the night to feature someone I've yet to really see. Steve Anthony is new to me, but was clearly the heel. The two men worked at a decent pace but I just couldn't get into this. I'm honestly unsure if it was because I didn't know much about the competitors or the match itself but I found myself tuning out. Part of it is my fault but their inability to suck me in made this lackluster for sure. Tiger Mask won, to earn the title for the second time in his career. Looking at the history of the belt, it's his first reign in nearly a decade. **
Hiroshi Tanahashi and Matt Sydal def. Bad Luck Fale and Tama Tonga in 10:01 Similar to the giant opening tag team match, this was partially here to build towards a match at the next Destruction show, between Hiroshi Tanahashi and Bad Luck Fale. The other story in this was the NJPW debut of Matt Sydal. The faces started hot and surprisingly, the heat seemed to come on Tanahashi. Sydal didn't get that much ring time, but looked fine in the time that he did get. Fale stayed looking strong as he didn't eat the pin and was dominant at times against Tanahashi. A Shooting Star Press, followed by the High Fly Flow ended this. Basic stuff but overall, the crowd was hot and it was enjoyable. **¾
IWGP Tag Team Championship: Doc Gallows and Karl Anderson (c) def. Tencozy in 13:15 Tencozy consists of Hiroyoshi Tenzan and Satoshi Kojima. They are older guys, both in their mid-forties, but can still go, which they showed during the G1 Climax this year. The tag team scene in NJPW tends to be lacking but I thought this was good. It started out slow with a highlight being seeing Karl Anderson steal Kojima's trademark chops in the corner. As the match grew to the climax, there were a fair amount of false finishes and near falls. Coming in, I fully expected the champions to retain but I bit on some of the close calls. A Gun Stun on Tenzan and the Magic Killer on Kojima wrapped this up. ***¼
Chaos (Baretta, Rocky Romero, Shinsuke Nakamura, Tomohiro Ishii and Yoshi-Hashi) def. Alex Shelley, Captain New Japan, Hirooki Goto, Rysuke Taguchi and Tomoaki Honma in 13:23 Right from the bell, it was clear that Ryusuke Taguchi was going to be an agitator, getting in the face of Nakamura several times. It is sometimes funny but it came off as annoying here and I guess that was the point since even his teammate, Goto, shoved him. I'm a big fan of Alex Shelley, like Roppongi Vice and have come to really enjoy Goto, Nakamura, Ishii and Honma, making this really fun. At one point, Capt. New Japan, Taguchi and Honma did a triple Kokeshi, which made me chuckle. As expected, the interactions between Honma and Ishii and Nakamura and Goto were both probably the highlights. Capt. New Japan ate the pin after a Boma Ye and brainbuster. ***¼
Kazuchika Okada and Toru Yano def. AJ Styles and Cody Hall in 9:52 Of all of the Bullet Club members, I feel like Cody Hall is probably the worst in the ring. Despite this, his interactions with Toru Yano were fun, though that was more due to Yano. Hall came off as awkward a fair amount of the time. Yano was a joy but the key to this match was the interactions between Styles and Okada. They are set to face for the IWGP Heavyweight Title at King of Pro Wrestling next month and much like their match at Dominion in July, their exchange was fast, furious and fantastic. Yano stole the win for his guys with a rollup on Hall. Again, not a great match but one that I had fun watching, which is all I can ask for sometimes. **¾
IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship: Kenny Omega def. KUSHIDA (c) in 16:26 These two had a pretty great match at Dominion in July, where KUSHIDA took the title from Omega. This match wasn't on the level of that one and I think part of that had to do with the crowd here not being as hot as the Osaka one from July. Still, this was going well, with the focus being on KUSHIDA's back and KUSHIDA trying to get his armbar locked in throughout. Doc Gallows and Alex Shelley got involved, which I expected and thought was fine, until it got taken too far. It was fine as a quick thing but happened again after a ref bump and then Karl Anderson showed up too. KUSHIDA ate a Gun Stun and the One Winged Angel to lose the belt. I disagree completely with this decision as there was still a good amount that could have been done with KUSHIDA at champ. A match with his partner or the tiebreaker with Ricochet for example. Matt Sydal was shown at ringside throughout and Omega called him out in an awkward segment after. Omega/Sydal is coming and I'm not too excited about it. This could have been much better. ***
NEVER Openweight Championship: Togi Makabe (c) def. Kota Ibushi in 18:41 Kota Ibushi has been one of my absolute favorites in NJPW and I've totally bought in on him trying to win a title above the Jr. Heavyweight level. I wasn't a huge fan of their G1 Climax match, which Ibushi won, but this blew that match away to me. I love that Ibushi doesn't look like a badass dude, but absolutely can hit with the hardest of them. They just beat the hell out of each other and it was worthy of headlining an event like this. When they fought outside, Ibushi hit a sick dropkick and then brought a table into play and hit a double stomp from the top onto it. When Ibushi countered the Spider German, he did so by landing on his feet, showing off his athleticism. However, the high risks that he takes proved to be an issue as he missed the Phoenix Splash. He tried to fight off the Spider German again, so Makabe changed it to a Spider Dragon suplex and finished it with the King Kong knee drop. I wasn't a big fan of Makabe retaining, but it played into Ibushi coming so close to winning a big title. He was close to winning the Intercontinental Title at WK9, the Heavyweight Title at Invasion Attack and now the NEVER Title here. After the match, Tomohiro Ishii showed up and it looks like we'll be getting Makabe/Ishii again, which I could do without. Either way, this was a great, hard hitting battle and another star making performance for Ibushi. ****
Overall: 6.5/10. I rather enjoyed this show. I don't think it was one of the stronger New Japan shows of the year, but I didn't expect it to be judging by the card. Still, they managed to put on a show that I found to be fun. There were a few matches that I wasn't big on, but there were some good tag matches and while the Jr. Heavyweight Title match disappointed, the main event was awesome. Worth a look.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 23, 2015 13:53:27 GMT -5
Kota Ibushi is such a cute dude and also such a great wrestler. The total package.
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Sept 23, 2015 14:33:57 GMT -5
Taiji Ishimori announced he is leaving NOAH at the end of the year and seen some message board chatter on puroresu boards of NOAH and NJPW continuing their talent exchange into 2016 with some of the higher profile names working NJPW's bigger shows and NJPW sending some of their folks to NOAH to shore up their roster. Still waiting for that guy who broke news of KENTA to WWE among other big puroresu news to confirm it. According to enuhito, Akira Taue has been given a vote of no confidence as NOAH president as well. With Marafuji being VP, I assume the role of being President falls to him in this case and as such, maybe an NJPW takeover of NOAH is nearly complete?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 23, 2015 14:44:12 GMT -5
Taiji Ishimori announced he is leaving NOAH at the end of the year and seen some message board chatter on puroresu boards of NOAH and NJPW continuing their talent exchange into 2016 with some of the higher profile names working NJPW's bigger shows and NJPW sending some of their folks to NOAH to shore up their roster. Still waiting for that guy who broke news of KENTA to WWE among other big puroresu news to confirm it. According to enuhito, Akira Taue has been given a vote of no confidence as NOAH president as well. With Marafuji being VP, I assume the role of being President falls to him in this case and as such, maybe an NJPW takeover of NOAH is nearly complete? This Suzuki-Gun angle is the make or break feud for NOAH in more than one way. Invasion angles usual equal big box office in Japan. Having Suzuki-Gun on the roster helps soften the blow of losing KENTA and Morishima but it hasn't resonated in money like they hope. We might end up with a WWECW situation where operations and booking is ran by Marafuji and NJPW management and New Japan owns the company outright. NOAH as as its own entity may be no more in 2016.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Sept 23, 2015 14:52:41 GMT -5
Taiji Ishimori announced he is leaving NOAH at the end of the year and seen some message board chatter on puroresu boards of NOAH and NJPW continuing their talent exchange into 2016 with some of the higher profile names working NJPW's bigger shows and NJPW sending some of their folks to NOAH to shore up their roster. Still waiting for that guy who broke news of KENTA to WWE among other big puroresu news to confirm it. According to enuhito, Akira Taue has been given a vote of no confidence as NOAH president as well. With Marafuji being VP, I assume the role of being President falls to him in this case and as such, maybe an NJPW takeover of NOAH is nearly complete? Is Taue the reason NOAH's fallen so far down the hill? I know there was that yakuza thing a couple years back, but what's the root cause of NOAH's failure? Just time and tide or is there a bigger picture?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 23, 2015 14:58:54 GMT -5
According to enuhito, Akira Taue has been given a vote of no confidence as NOAH president as well. With Marafuji being VP, I assume the role of being President falls to him in this case and as such, maybe an NJPW takeover of NOAH is nearly complete? Is Taue the reason NOAH's fallen so far down the hill? I know there was that yakuza thing a couple years back, but what's the root cause of NOAH's failure? Just time and tide or is there a bigger picture? The death of Misawa. Misawa was NOAH. He ran the company and was the top star. When he died, the company went into a freefall. He was a void that never been able to fill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 18:22:21 GMT -5
Is Taue the reason NOAH's fallen so far down the hill? I know there was that yakuza thing a couple years back, but what's the root cause of NOAH's failure? Just time and tide or is there a bigger picture? The death of Misawa. Misawa was NOAH. He ran the company and was the top star. When he died, the company went into a freefall. He was a void that never been able to fill. Plus losing their network tv deal, which happened just before Misawa's death IIRC.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 26, 2015 3:12:46 GMT -5
It didn't help that while NOAH had it's top stars of old still healthy and able they didn't bother to make good on actually building new stars to eventually replace them. They half heartedly tried with a few guys, but always went back to the well and they always ended up feeding them to the old stars.
While it isn't entirely unheard of in Japan, NOAH was by far the worst at this act of the young lion needing to wait their turn. To such a degree that their stars of old broke down, or unfortunately died, before the torch could be properly passed and they damaged many of their talents' drawing potential for it too.
Essentially NOAH is reaping what they sowed for years.
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