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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 29, 2013 4:34:31 GMT -5
www.free-times.com/archives/baby-of-sweet-georgia-brownIt's a pretty hard read and it does paint Moolah as a terrible person who would hook wrestlers on drugs so they'd be dependant. Between this and the allegations bought up by Vivian Vachon of essentially pimping out young wrestlers, there is probably a special spot in hell for Moolah.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 6:19:22 GMT -5
Others from that era have basically verified these stories. It's always disappointing to hear when someone who often gets painted as a legend actually turns out to be not such a great human being.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 29, 2013 7:02:15 GMT -5
Very interesting. I bet there's a lot of shady goings on in wrestling back then especially. We may never know even half of them considering some of the promoters and stars are deceased and WWE video can't do everything.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 29, 2013 7:36:34 GMT -5
Say what you will about Vince McMahon, but compared to some stories of old he has always treated his talent well.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 29, 2013 7:45:42 GMT -5
Say what you will about Vince McMahon, but compared to some stories of old he has always treated his talent well. He certainly looked after Moolah, painting her as a wrestling legend and giving her on screen roles in two different boom periods as well as a Saturday morning kids TV show, long, long after her prime. Given how very few female workers have had anything nice to say about Moolah, including ones he's given high profile roles to like Sherri Martel and Luna Vachon, he must have had some inkling about the skeletons in her closet. |
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Post by Bishblast on Sept 29, 2013 8:18:49 GMT -5
Huh, I missed this one... I usually pick up the Free Times in Columbia most weeks, but this must have been one of the weeks I missed or it wasn't printed in the paper, only online (it's from April). But, I've got to read this... this whole Moolah thing is really interesting, as disgusting as it is, it's amazing that people put up with this and gave her top spots on TV even surely after knowing this stuff... you could say similar things about people like some of the names in the earlier Titangate scandals, and people like Snuka, but I just don't buy that Moolah was a valuable asset to the WWF at all, at least in terms of talent (I would say draw, but some segments with her and Mae in the later years did big ratings... how much money those skits made, that's another discussion).
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 29, 2013 8:39:54 GMT -5
I still say that Moolah single-handedly derailed women's wrestling in America. Vince just did the rest.
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Post by Bishblast on Sept 29, 2013 10:34:26 GMT -5
Well, it said this article was posted in April of this year, but it says in the article that Moolah talked to the paper the week prior... and yeah, this is an old article, I'm guessing from around 06 or something. Don't know why it was posted just in April of this year.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 29, 2013 11:06:11 GMT -5
I still say that Moolah single-handedly derailed women's wrestling in America. Vince just did the rest. No. Women wrestling was never going to go anywhere than it currently is at in America. People treat women sports like jokes for the most part. The fact that there is still women wrestlers in the WWE is a victory in itself and that has nothing to do with what Moolah (I guess Vince?) did or didn't do decades ago. |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 29, 2013 12:13:58 GMT -5
I still say that Moolah single-handedly derailed women's wrestling in America. Vince just did the rest. No. Women wrestling was never going to go anywhere than it currently is at in America. People treat women sports like jokes for the most part. The fact that there is still women wrestlers in the WWE is a victory in itself and that has nothing to do with what Moolah (I guess Vince?) did or didn't do decades ago. It's not a sport, it's theater that happens to be televised. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 12:21:39 GMT -5
I still say that Moolah single-handedly derailed women's wrestling in America. Vince just did the rest. No. Women wrestling was never going to go anywhere than it currently is at in America. People treat women sports like jokes for the most part. The fact that there is still women wrestlers in the WWE is a victory in itself and that has nothing to do with what Moolah (I guess Vince?) did or didn't do decades ago. People treat women's tennis, gymnastics, figure skating, etc. like jokes? |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 29, 2013 13:25:59 GMT -5
No. Women wrestling was never going to go anywhere than it currently is at in America. People treat women sports like jokes for the most part. The fact that there is still women wrestlers in the WWE is a victory in itself and that has nothing to do with what Moolah (I guess Vince?) did or didn't do decades ago. People treat women's tennis, gymnastics, figure skating, etc. like jokes? When it's not involving the Olympics, which is a byproduct of patriotism, yes. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 29, 2013 13:29:57 GMT -5
No. Women wrestling was never going to go anywhere than it currently is at in America. People treat women sports like jokes for the most part. The fact that there is still women wrestlers in the WWE is a victory in itself and that has nothing to do with what Moolah (I guess Vince?) did or didn't do decades ago. It's not a sport, it's theater that happens to be televised. It involves physical, competitive activity that requires practice and training just like basketball, gymnastics, tennis, etc. It's a sport. It can still be predetermined, but still be considered a sport. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 13:31:32 GMT -5
People treat women's tennis, gymnastics, figure skating, etc. like jokes? When it's not involving the Olympics, which is a byproduct of patriotism, yes. I'll concede that gymnastics and figure skating aren't featured much outside of International Competition, but women's tennis is year round big business and is at least just as popular as men's tennis I've never heard anyone try to argue that it's a joke. It's just odd to me. |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 29, 2013 13:33:46 GMT -5
It's not a sport, it's theater that happens to be televised. It involves physical, competitive activity that requires practice and training just like basketball, gymnastics, tennis, etc. It's a sport. It can still be predetermined, but still be considered a sport. Sport denotes actual competition. It's not a sport. Is Acting a sport? |
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 29, 2013 13:35:19 GMT -5
People treat women's tennis, gymnastics, figure skating, etc. like jokes? When it's not involving the Olympics, which is a byproduct of patriotism, yes. Might want to try a different angle for this argument. Hometown pride and national pride are big reasons that people support male athletes too (for example, everyone in my town loves the Baltimore Ravens. Why? Well, because we're next to Baltimore. Has nothing to do with the team itself). |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 29, 2013 13:39:56 GMT -5
It involves physical, competitive activity that requires practice and training just like basketball, gymnastics, tennis, etc. It's a sport. It can still be predetermined, but still be considered a sport. Sport denotes actual competition. It's not a sport. Is Acting a sport? Uhhhh let's see here. People practice/train to become wrestlers. Wrestling requires constant physical activity that takes a toll on your body just like *ahem* "real" sports. People compete to get pushes/work just like people compete to get roster spots. Sure wrestling involves "acting", but unless you're just plain blind or ignorant, people "act" all the time in sports. Look at all the flopping in basketball and stuff that is pulled in the NFL. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 29, 2013 13:44:34 GMT -5
When it's not involving the Olympics, which is a byproduct of patriotism, yes. Might want to try a different angle for this argument. Hometown pride and national pride are big reasons that people support male athletes too (for example, everyone in my town loves the Baltimore Ravens. Why? Well, because we're next to Baltimore. Has nothing to do with the team itself). Football is the top sport in America. We're talking about the lesser sports like female figure skating and gymnastics. They only get any kind of prominence during events like the Olympics. Hell, even women's soccer here gets any kind of attention during the World Cup and the Olympics for the same reason I stated. Look at the WNBA, it's been around for over 15 years and people never treat it with respect and it's supposed to be the top women's pro sports league in the country. |
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Post by millionurkle on Sept 29, 2013 13:47:18 GMT -5
Sport denotes actual competition. It's not a sport. Is Acting a sport? Uhhhh let's see here. People practice/train to become wrestlers. Wrestling requires constant physical activity that takes a toll on your body just like *ahem* "real" sports. People compete to get pushes/work just like people compete to get roster spots. Sure wrestling involves "acting", but unless you're just plain blind or ignorant, people "act" all the time in sports. Look at all the flopping in basketball and stuff that is pulled in the NFL. While I understand what you are trying to say: People practice/train to become actors also. Stunt doubles in acting also requires constant physical activity that takes a toll on your body just like *ahem* "real" sports. Does that make stunt doubles athletes? People compete to get pushes/work just like people compete to get roster spots. This is a natural part of life in any industry, whether business, sports or acting. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Sept 29, 2013 14:01:52 GMT -5
Uhhhh let's see here. People practice/train to become wrestlers. Wrestling requires constant physical activity that takes a toll on your body just like *ahem* "real" sports. People compete to get pushes/work just like people compete to get roster spots. Sure wrestling involves "acting", but unless you're just plain blind or ignorant, people "act" all the time in sports. Look at all the flopping in basketball and stuff that is pulled in the NFL. While I understand what you are trying to say: People practice/train to become actors also. Stunt doubles in acting also requires constant physical activity that takes a toll on your body just like *ahem* "real" sports. Does that make stunt doubles athletes? People compete to get pushes/work just like people compete to get roster spots. This is a natural part of life in any industry, whether business, sports or acting. Actors aren't in grueling physical activity on a weekly basis. Stunt doubles aren't really in any sort of competition. While you can say wrestlers aren't either, but technically they are (even though it is scripted, it is still competition). And of course, but the point is, they are all involved in physical activity in which how good they are at it determines their success in their profession. I mean the only difference between wrestling and other sports is that what happens is predetermined. Whether or not it is predetermined or not does not make it any less of a sport, hence why it is called "sports entertainment". It's still a sport, but emphasis is more based on entertainment. It's not really hard to understand. |
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