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Post by Bootista on Oct 1, 2013 14:08:46 GMT -5
So if a person was stealing your TV or gameboy advance sp out of your house, you would just let them do it? Or assume they just wanna steal and call the cops after they leave. Wow, You condone Killing an Unarmed Man?
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Post by King Ghidorah on Oct 1, 2013 14:29:30 GMT -5
So if a person was stealing your TV or gameboy advance sp out of your house, you would just let them do it? Or assume they just wanna steal and call the cops after they leave. Wow, You condone Killing an Unarmed Man? Don't know where you got that from
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Post by Totorob101 on Oct 1, 2013 14:58:30 GMT -5
Should not have killed him but the guy shouldnt have stole the beer, Be prepare for the consequences if your going to do something wrong.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Oct 1, 2013 15:57:13 GMT -5
The most shocking aspect of this story is that it didn't happen in Florida.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Oct 1, 2013 16:21:06 GMT -5
What kind of Beer are we talking here? Is it Shiner, St Arnolds or Real Brewing? Or was it Frio/ Lone star type stuff. I must know before making my judgement. Same here. If it was merely Pabst then the store owner should go away for life.
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Post by Pancakes on Oct 1, 2013 16:31:10 GMT -5
I bet nobody steals from this store ever again.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 1, 2013 16:44:53 GMT -5
Store owner went to far. Had it been me, I certainly would have had my gun out and aimed. I definitely would have warned the guy to come back to pay...and if he didn't or made a bad move or something like that, I would have shot him in the legs. it's worth noting that if you shoot the right artery in the leg, a shot to the leg can be just as fatal as a shot in the head or chest. sorry, the "non-lethal shot" thing is just a pet peeve of mine.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 1, 2013 16:46:54 GMT -5
The store owner was completely wrong in this instance. It says the man was attempting to leave the store so most likely he shot the dude from behind. There's no reason to kill somebody for stealing some beer especially if they weren't being aggressive or threatening. This time it's beer, next time it's the cash in the register. once again, that's what the police are for. plus any store worth its salt would have business insurance to cover the cost. unless the guy's waving a gun/knife around or generally being a threat to your livelihood or well-being, you either detain him using non-lethal methods or just let him go and let the cops deal with it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 1, 2013 16:48:59 GMT -5
What kind of Beer are we talking here? Is it Shiner, St Arnolds or Real Brewing? Or was it Frio/ Lone star type stuff. I must know before making my judgement. Tuborg is most definitely a beer worth shooting for.
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Post by Piccolo on Oct 1, 2013 16:52:59 GMT -5
You know, I understand if your store is getting robbed a lot and you're sick and tired of it. It's your livelihood they're chipping away at, treating your stuff like it's their own personal stockpile.
I think he went too far, sure. But I also think that if someone takes your things, they've indicated that they have no respect for your rights. I think it's a smaller step from taking your stuff to taking your life than it's generally considered to be.
So, I do think he should be charged with murder, but should get off lightly compared to someone who just shoots someone in the street for no reason. And I don't have any especial sympathy for the dead thief.
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Post by thetower52 on Oct 1, 2013 16:56:31 GMT -5
The most shocking aspect of this story is that it didn't happen in Florida. It's Texas though so kinda good enough
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 9:59:08 GMT -5
Goddammit Corpus! We can never make headlines for anything positive. It's always "this homeless guy was set on fire" or "this hospital gave tainted medicine to people" or "the Chris Benoit tribute show happened here" or "Selena was shot here" or "Ted DiBiase wearing a paper bag is our city mascot"...
For once I'd like Corpus to make headlines for something good.
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Post by The OP on Oct 2, 2013 11:47:55 GMT -5
This time it's beer, next time it's the cash in the register. once again, that's what the police are for. plus any store worth its salt would have business insurance to cover the cost. unless the guy's waving a gun/knife around or generally being a threat to your livelihood or well-being, you either detain him using non-lethal methods or just let him go and let the cops deal with it. Yeah, I don't get why anyone is defending the store owner. He shot a guy from behind in the head. For SHOPLIFTING. You don't shoot someone in the head unless you want to kill them. Does anybody really want it to be ok for a store owner to execute people for shoplifting? The devil's advocate stuff on this is just absurd.
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Post by Young Game on Oct 2, 2013 12:35:51 GMT -5
Goddammit Corpus! We can never make headlines for anything positive. It's always "this homeless guy was set on fire" or "this hospital gave tainted medicine to people" or "the Chris Benoit tribute show happened here" or "Selena was shot here" or "Ted DiBiase wearing a paper bag is our city mascot"... For once I'd like Corpus to make headlines for something good. Hmmmmm... Ummmmm..... Well.... OH! Danny Lohner was born in Corpus. That's a start.
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Post by Piccolo on Oct 2, 2013 15:51:59 GMT -5
once again, that's what the police are for. plus any store worth its salt would have business insurance to cover the cost. unless the guy's waving a gun/knife around or generally being a threat to your livelihood or well-being, you either detain him using non-lethal methods or just let him go and let the cops deal with it. Yeah, I don't get why anyone is defending the store owner. He shot a guy from behind in the head. For SHOPLIFTING. You don't shoot someone in the head unless you want to kill them. Does anybody really want it to be ok for a store owner to execute people for shoplifting? The devil's advocate stuff on this is just absurd. I mean, I don't shoplift, so.... But I don't want it to be "OK", I just don't have any sympathy for the thief. And yes, he's a thief. To me, "shoplifting" is just a softer word to make it seem harmless, like something little teenagers do. Someone waltzing into your store, which is your livelihood, and treating it like their own personal pantry... that person is taking food off your table, money out of your retirement account, and violating your sense of safety. Screw that guy. If you live by crime, you die by crime.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 4, 2013 2:33:06 GMT -5
So if a person was stealing your TV or gameboy advance sp out of your house, you would just let them do it? Or assume they just wanna steal and call the cops after they leave. No, but I wouldn't kill them, either. Unless they were armed and had the intention of killing me. My TV/Gameboy isn't worth a human life. A few teeth and some broken bones, yes, but not a human life. You have no idea if they are armed or not He would probably sue you and win in court
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 4, 2013 6:45:46 GMT -5
Store owner went to far. Had it been me, I certainly would have had my gun out and aimed. I definitely would have warned the guy to come back to pay...and if he didn't or made a bad move or something like that, I would have shot him in the legs. it's worth noting that if you shoot the right artery in the leg, a shot to the leg can be just as fatal as a shot in the head or chest. sorry, the "non-lethal shot" thing is just a pet peeve of mine. Yeah, any shot can be lethal if you hit the wrong vessel, and they most definitely can be debilitation. Also, "shoot him in the legs" annoys me just because people seem to think it's way easier than it is. Shooting a leg of someone running from you is really, really hard, especially when compared to shooting center of mass. The world isn't exactly full of Jesse James'. You're taught to fire at the body for a reason, and it's not blood thirst.
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Post by The OP on Oct 4, 2013 21:02:10 GMT -5
Right, that's the main reason I see this as a murder. Law enforcements aims for the torso because by doing so they are more likely to hit their target, which is their objective, to incapacitate. Trying to blow somebody's head off is a savage act that is definitely intended to kill. A subtle but important difference because in court a murder case is really all about the motive and the intent.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 5, 2013 1:29:02 GMT -5
You always aim for the torso because it is the largest target
TV is not real life. There is no such thing as a warning shot. You aim for the largest target.
It is murder because of the follow up kill shot
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Post by angryfan on Oct 5, 2013 2:00:55 GMT -5
I'm actually shocked that charges were filed, hate to say it, but it's Texas and case law in that state is usually more on the side of shoot now ask later historically.
I will say that I doubt all the facts are out as yet, but yeah, if the shop owner gets a shot off at a fleeing theif it's far easier to defend. A follow up or delayed second shot of any kind makes it excessive. A delayed second shot that's fatal makes it an execution, which is so damn far over the line it's almost crossed it twice.
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