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Post by thegame415 on Oct 12, 2013 23:41:02 GMT -5
My friend and I were just discussing this. The boys originally debuted as heels. Was it supposed to be with the idea that "oh my gosh, these guys listen to Marilyn Manson, have piercings and stage dive. They are so bad!", however, it was a reverse effect, and those traits made them cool? Or, was it just a coincidence and they turned face because...they did.
Really random, I know. I'm actually a mark for these guys. However, they were definitely a gimmick of their time. When they came back in 1999, they weren't "hip" anymore.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 12, 2013 23:45:22 GMT -5
What was the reasoning behind the cones?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 7:43:04 GMT -5
Basically yes, WWE was so out of touch at the time that they thought Marilyn Manson would offend people. When in reality it was the cool s*** at the time.
In retrospect Manson and the Headbangers were lame, but had their 2 year fad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 10:38:37 GMT -5
I remember when they were in Memphis before jumping to the WWF. They dressed the same, but had a boombox in their corner that would play some heavy guitar riffs while they wrestled. Lance Russell & Dave Brown (and Corey Maclin) were not fans of the music, so they pretty much spent the match complaining about it.
Then when they finally came up, Vince and Jerry would talk about their music; Jerry being the one more "with-it". King would be the one making fun of Vince for being so out of touch.
Lawler: "McMahon, you're not too familiar to the type of music the Headbangers listen to, like Marilyn Manson?"
Vince: "Uh, no..."
Lawler: "White Zombie?"
Vince: "I'm not...
Lawler: "Butthole Surfers?"
Vince, No, I...excuse me?"
I think they turned face because the Godwinns were switching heel, they lost Furnas & LaFon, and Bulldog & Owen were kinda in between, so there was an opening for a good guy tag-team. I'm not saying they drew, but they were a fun tag team because their style was just so unorthodox and different. (They even used Matt Bourne's "Bombs Away/Whoopie Cushion" and called it the "Stage Dive".)
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Oct 13, 2013 11:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 13, 2013 13:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 13, 2013 19:46:43 GMT -5
What made them heels in Smokey Mountain Wrestling didn't work the same in WWF. In SMW, dressing and behaving like anything the polar opposite of a good ol' boy pissed off the crowd. WWF's demographic was more broader.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 14, 2013 11:47:03 GMT -5
I do believe Jim Cornette says he came up with this gimmick and the Gangstas, and New Jack does give James E. credit for the Gangstas idea. I think that's one thing that can be appreciated about Jim Cornette. I'm sure he's not very hip and with it, if you will, but he knows of these types of people exist and instead of him trying to push his idea of what these characters were, he let Mosh, Thrasher, New Jack and Mustafa become those characters.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 14, 2013 12:15:27 GMT -5
I used to think they were brought in to shill the JVC Kaboom Box.
They smashed inferior boom boxes on guys heads, then Road Dawg hit one of them with a JVC Kaboom Box and I recall JR going apeshit about how "The JVC Kaboom box just won't break!"
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 14, 2013 12:27:19 GMT -5
I do believe Jim Cornette says he came up with this gimmick and the Gangstas, and New Jack does give James E. credit for the Gangstas idea. I think that's one thing that can be appreciated about Jim Cornette. I'm sure he's not very hip and with it, if you will, but he knows of these types of people exist and instead of him trying to push his idea of what these characters were, he let Mosh, Thrasher, New Jack and Mustafa become those characters. The thing with the Gangstas though is that in Smokey Mountain it got bad heat and their ECW gimmick was fairly different from SMW. But Cornette did have a good mind for what the Southern fans wanted |
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 14, 2013 12:28:34 GMT -5
Only thing I remember about them is that they wore kilts skirts.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 14, 2013 14:32:03 GMT -5
I do believe Jim Cornette says he came up with this gimmick and the Gangstas, and New Jack does give James E. credit for the Gangstas idea. I think that's one thing that can be appreciated about Jim Cornette. I'm sure he's not very hip and with it, if you will, but he knows of these types of people exist and instead of him trying to push his idea of what these characters were, he let Mosh, Thrasher, New Jack and Mustafa become those characters. The thing with the Gangstas though is that in Smokey Mountain it got bad heat and their ECW gimmick was fairly different from SMW. But Cornette did have a good mind for what the Southern fans wanted True, and he has admitted being wrong about that, but New Jack has really taken off with that character. New Jack said Cornette gave him the name, "the Gangsters", sounding like he was talking about 1930s mobsters. I guess what I appreciate about Cornette though is his obvious lack of understanding of these characters, but being smart enough to realize that and let the workers run with it. To realize that he can't relate to wild kids at these concerts, or men from south central Los Angeles. I guess the big comparison point can be to WWE and their issues with trying to get back the hispanic audience and having writers who don't understand the culture. So what happens is they have that mess with Alberto Del Rio as a babyface. Pretty much any gimmick that involves a different culture and identity it ends up being a disaster. Imagine the WWE creative team now coming up with the Gangstas or the Headbangers. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 14, 2013 15:05:43 GMT -5
The thing with the Gangstas though is that in Smokey Mountain it got bad heat and their ECW gimmick was fairly different from SMW. But Cornette did have a good mind for what the Southern fans wanted True, and he has admitted being wrong about that, but New Jack has really taken off with that character. New Jack said Cornette gave him the name, "the Gangsters", sounding like he was talking about 1930s mobsters. I guess what I appreciate about Cornette though is his obvious lack of understanding of these characters, but being smart enough to realize that and let the workers run with it. To realize that he can't relate to wild kids at these concerts, or men from south central Los Angeles. I guess the big comparison point can be to WWE and their issues with trying to get back the hispanic audience and having writers who don't understand the culture. So what happens is they have that mess with Alberto Del Rio as a babyface. Pretty much any gimmick that involves a different culture and identity it ends up being a disaster. Imagine the WWE creative team now coming up with the Gangstas or the Headbangers. The Gangstas got recreated as Cryme Tyme. Just that WWE made them comedic street thugs instead of the sum of people's fear about black folks from the hood. |
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Oct 14, 2013 15:24:25 GMT -5
Only thing I remember about them is that they wore kilts skirts. Real men wear skirts! |
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Post by pepsitwist on Oct 14, 2013 16:13:24 GMT -5
Incredible. The raw pink meat part slays me. |
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 14, 2013 23:55:27 GMT -5
Only thing I remember about them is that they wore kilts skirts. Real men wear skirts!  He is a real man's man after all, so maybe you got something there... |
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Post by molson5 on Oct 15, 2013 0:44:00 GMT -5
Watching it at the time they seemed like a jobber heel team from Smokey Mountain or something, because "Headbanging" wasn't exactly an edgy concept in 1997. The gimmick seemed about 10 years past its time, so it felt like a throwaway southern indie promotion gimmick that an old white promoter came up with (like if there was a grunge gimmick today.) Then they got over a little because of their personalities, but I still never saw the Marilyn Manson connection, though I guess they had elements of that.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 15, 2013 0:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Oct 15, 2013 1:32:00 GMT -5
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 15, 2013 1:36:11 GMT -5
I do believe Jim Cornette says he came up with this gimmick and the Gangstas, and New Jack does give James E. credit for the Gangstas idea. I think that's one thing that can be appreciated about Jim Cornette. I'm sure he's not very hip and with it, if you will, but he knows of these types of people exist and instead of him trying to push his idea of what these characters were, he let Mosh, Thrasher, New Jack and Mustafa become those characters. Jim Cornette creates gimmicks based on the types of people he hates. Eventually it descended into a series of gimmicks of people who have pulses. |
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